I would like to see this exercise again...I would also like to see if we hypothetically reduced the positional total to 10 positions - which (ironically) we have 10 picks, which positions would we maybe double-dip and which positions would we not draft as a result. If we use the first 5 position groups on Defense 1 DT, 2 Edge/DE, 3 LB/OLB, 4 S, 5 CB. On offense the next 5 groups being 6 QB, 7 RB/FB, 8 WR/TE, 9 IOL, and 10 OT. We could theoretically draft one from each group, or we could 'double-dip on one or more groups which would then leave a void in a corresponding group. I want to know which group(s) are likely to get double dipped and which group(s) get omitted.
I love the draft and follow the Mocks.I have come to the realization that the experts are expert on picking the top player but not so great on where they will go.
I think this is because of the shifting sands of the draft .Teams are always picking
the .”wrong” player,which screws up other teams strategy and so on,
Naturally I have my favorite players,they are of course never selected.
Still when the draft starts I am there at the ready,a beer in one hand, a bag of Fritos
near by, hoping my team will do t the right thing for once!
I will throw out the Will Johnson, a late visit, medical check. If healthy wud have been at 10, at 18 or even slight trade down in first. But before packers.
I think you're right that the two positions most likely to be picked are OT and Edge, and because I think the best OTs will be gone by 18, the Seahawks will pick an edge.. just not the one everyone thinks it might be. I think all signs point to Jihaad Campbell, who like Parsons was an edge in high school and will make a similar transition back there in the NFL.
I think in view of the cost of good edge rushers, the fact that Seattle still has an unknown with Nwosu (health), and that Mafe is in year 4, draft a first round edge it isn't out of the relm of possibility. Verse's impact last year along with his teamate Fisk; after losing Donald, doesn't go unoticed. After taking Murphy last year and edge with a similar overlap in Seattle might make sense. I fully expect Seattle to add an edge and corner in the draft. Most of the O-Line guys don't seem to have an excessive drop off in the second round talent. I have not put it out of the relm of possibility Seattle trading down and picking up another 3rd round pick and then selecting a lineman (T/G) in round 1. Seattle might well be able to add OT/G, Edge and corner with the first three picks. Interior O-line, WR/TE and Safety in the 3rd with the extra pick. TE was mocked more than once for Seattle in the first round, but I'm not sure they will go that way. Rounds 4-7 should give opportunity for LB, RB, D-Line and WR/TE. Seattle spent 3 picks on O-line last year, all of which got snaps. Rarely do you find an offensive lineman outside of the top 10 (or beyond) that is a first year game changer. Development appears to be part of the plan for 2025. Free agency was not exactly offering "that guy" on the offensive line so I can only speculate that development, scheme and year 2 improvment seems the line of thinking here. I reiterate what I said many weeks back from Daniel J's quote on Seattle Sports radio, "there are no real superstars this year, but alot of potential starters into day 2." A good year to add depth and and fill gaps on your roster. Let's face it, no matter what JS and MM are betting the farm on, and since JS or MM have not been kind enough to add me to their email chain, I guess I'll have to go with my gut. JS seems to think they have some better outcomes on their O-Line in year two with current talent, a pro OC, and adding a first or second round pick in a couple of weeks. One thing I have thought about is that I have heard very little on Lucas's health this offseason which may be good news for 25. I think if Seattle plays their cards right with a solid draft (no superstars), they become a better team on both sides of the roster, and could build a more cohesive unit with their leadership changes. Adding Kupp has some real hidden value in the locker room and the practice field, Jones you already know (along with the Cat/Reed). Darnell seemed to have a more matured leadership in Minn last year which may benefit Seattle this year and beyond. With the dice just about out of the hand, place your bets Seasiders and strap in for an anyones guess 2025. Will this be a forgettable or historic moment in the Seahawks story. Come on 7.
Any Edge would have to excel from day one to displace any of the four Edges we've already got. That is the most important point. I agree, after getting educated by you, that they are highly unlikely to take a guard at 18 or in the first round at all, but guard and Edge are not the only two positions that will be available. A first round CB would most likely be an improvement on Jobe, and would be a hedge against the possibility that they will let Woolen go rather than pay him what he will command.
Tackle is a first round position and we need to guard against losing Lucas to injury again and he could play LG this year.
It's hard to have too many edges, but we could test that theory if we draft one in the first round this year.
So many good solid points in this article it’s hard for me to add anything. It seems like you have taken a consensus of my thoughts over the last month and wrote them out for me. I agree that John Schneider is going value based, tackle, edge, cb, dt. I just believe we will be taking a corner. At the end of the day I feel confident in saying that in the first round we will be drafting the teams highest rated player available from those four positions. If it is from another position then John thinks they are a game changing talent. An example would be Steve Hutchinson in first round
Hold on a minute. I think we got caught up in all the mock draft silliness (because it's fun and easy) and missed the meat of SSJ's argument. Which I take to be this:
"An edge is worth: $10-$40 million per season among top-30 players
A guard’s position is worth $3-$20 million per season among top-30 players"
That's the expenses side of the ledger.
Perhaps we should consider the other half of the equation: Income.
Because the job here is to build a team, and I realize that contract finances are an important piece of that job. But the job is also to build a WINNING team. Why? Because a winning team puts butts in the seats. Playoff games make money, right? Especially home games. Success sells merch. All the other revenue streams flow from developing a national profile, being seen as serious contenders. From winning.
Now, I don't want to be so incautious as to be caught arguing that a R1 IOL choice would somehow make us Super Bowl contenders next season. But we are mired in mediocrity largely because our offense can't be trusted -- not to burn clock, not to convert third downs, nor to run the ball effectively. We're hoping new coaches and a different blocking scheme (again) bring improvement.
But you have to have players. And we have to fix our interior offensive line. Some of that can happen with the players we have learning more, settling down, getting stronger, if that's possible, being coached up. I have some faith in that. I believe in Olu until proven wrong, and I believe in Haynes. Not with religious fervor, but I'm prepared to trust the brain trust. But we're still at least a guard short, and maybe a long-term right tackle, or at least some quality back-ups.
And clearly JS KNOWS we need players, otherwise he wouldn't have been in for however long he was in chasing Mr. Fries, who ended up with $88-million over five years. To play guard. We were bidding on that player, who had FOUR good games. Maybe five. Because JS recognized that we have to fix the damn'd problem. And fixing things always comes with a price.
But my larger point in this extended rant is this: player salaries are only half the story. Teams also need income, and TV contracts aren't the entire equation. I submit, with all due respect, that we need also to consider -- that JS must also be considering -- the income side of the balance sheet.
Also, returning to clear thing up because I can be a bit of a slow, grinding processor...my argument is not in favor of need v. BPA. My argument is that BPA weighted by position group -- with the exception of QB, alas, and I'm not even certain I agree with that, or at least with how much of a bump QB apparently gets -- is, perhaps, unwise. Or, y'know, folly. If OG is BPA at 18, take OG. If it'a an Edge, take an edge. That's what I'm arguing. I may, as always, be terribly, utterly wrong.
Not to be a jerk, but you don't list income on a balance sheet....easy way to remember is you will lose your BALANCE if you drink too much ALE..Assetts, Liabilities and Equity - which is what's on a balance sheet..
OK. You're doing actual accounting! I've run really tiny businesses. My balance sheet looks a lot like a checkbook. So...am I using the wrong accounting document for my metaphor, long as we're doing this? (I did have a semester of high school accounting in 1977, so, y'know...) Income/cash flow shows up somewhere, doesn't it?
My $$ is on edge or a long snapper with 18…essentially if the edge they want isn’t there they will try to trade back. If we pick a low positional value player at 18 it’s because we couldn’t trade back and they took BPA regardless of positional value.
FYI I’ve been posting Edge, CB, OT since end of season, but I’m not a pundit like these other “experts”. So you’re not alone on your island. And frankly you hit the pay dirt on why in this article. Money. Teams need talent. At same time, you just cannot pay every position group excess bucks. That positional $$$ comparison is money. Massive sums in net value and I’m positive that is how JS thinks. A fifth year Edge saves me 2 starters salaries. IOL doesn’t save.
Second note, is Loveland can’t block, then other than cost savings, how is he really any different than Fant? Fant had the best catch percentage. Not his fault he isn’t utilized by coaches.
I continue to worship at the SSJ altar of high value positions that JS will prioritize in the first round, and this excellent article once again reinforces my deeply entrenched belief system.
Just one *little* question that I wonder (hope?) about. It is WR. Because, as noted, WR talent is very much high-value, and sometimes hard to get, whereas TE (as noted) may be borderline 1st round value. I get the argument that Kupp is meant to give us two years of a solid WR2, but I also think about the fact that we added JSN when we had a WR1 & 2 who both had contracts 2 or more years out (and were two or more years younger than Kupp).
So, isn’t there a reasonable best-player-available scenario where we take a 1st round WR? We carried JSN at WR3 year one, and then he rocketed to WR1 in year two - arguably a good player development scenario. Kupp could easily decline or get injured again, or both, and he’s basically on a 1 yr 17M deal with team options for a couple more years. Objectively we don’t know if Kupp is a solid 2-yr WR2 answer. And, we can think back to the “they’re both slots” debate.
I agree that the shift to a balanced offense weighs in favor of investment elsewhere, but I’m still inclined to grade the WR mock picks maybe a little higher - possibly in the B range? - even though I don’t really have a good judgment on whether a true BPA WR will be sitting there at pick 18. Could another run on QBs push some guys down to us, like with Murphy last year?
I didn't actually agree with SSJ's reasoning behind Tet not being a possibility. The way I took it was he was saying that WR was not a position of need and isn't that just the opposite side of the same coin of drafting for need?
Yes, that’s my line of thinking too. I see the need there as much as when we drafted JSN, if not more, enough that we could take a BPA WR at the #18 spot if someone is there. But maybe the real issue is that there just isn’t much 1st round WR talent this year, so if Tet doesn’t drop to us (or we don’t consider him BPA for whatever reasons - I mean, when it’s one guy, who knows), or it doesn’t make sense to trade down for Gordon if a nice Edge or OT is there for us, then a WR is not in the cards.
In short, need and value for a WR pick aren’t the issue for me - it’s just slim pickins, so that could justify the low grades for anyone predicting a WR pick given other BPA choices that may be there. In other words, fair “likelihood” grades.
I will still not be surprised to see us add a WR3 growth prospect among the top 5 picks. Again, depending on talent evaluation at those levels, which is not my forte, but more based on JS history of taking guys like Tyler, DK, JSN early when available, including the DK trade-up. Let Kupp be Bobby Engram for a couple 3 years and get another burner in the pipeline.
You definitely do predict Seattle's draft better than anyone bc you understand Schneider. "Value-forward" is the term. I'm hopeful it's a tackle rather than an edge but I know you're the better predictor.
In that vein, what are the chances he trades down? I know you're skeptical there will be many offers but if someone is hanging around at 18 that he doesn't want to spend a 1st rd pick on, maybe he takes the trade-down? He's "been dismissive" with 1st rd picks quite alot (just showing the highest pick received, not the entire haul):
2012: traded from 12 to 15
2013: traded 25 for Percy Harvin
2014: traded 32 to 40
2015: traded 31 (and Max Unger!) for Jimmy Graham
2016: traded 26 for 31
2017: traded 26 for 31, and then 31 for 34
2018: traded 18 for 27 (hey lookie, we're at 18 again!)
2019: traded 21 for 30
2021: traded 23 and 2022's 1st rd pick (#10) as well for Jamal Adams
2022: traded Russell Wilson for Denver's 9 (Cross) and Denver's 2023's 5 (Spoon)
Damn, now that I'm looking at it, he's almost as predictable to trade as he is to not pick an iOL or a QB.
Man that 2015 is still one of those that pisses me off more than anything. I wasn’t a big fan of Graham, except in fantasy before he came here, but loved Max. At least Max got hardware. I actually wasn’t has bummed about Percy trade. And he did give us one of the greatest highlights of my lifetime watching in run directly at “me” in that SB (ok nose bleed but sure felt he was bringing me the ball!!!)
I’m with you — the Unger trade was the beginning of the end.
Actually I have a whole theory about Wilson/Carroll. Wilson was so obsessed with becoming the GOAT and Carroll tried so hard to get him his MVP status (that SB pass against NE instead of just ramming it in with Marshawn; and the Graham trade we’re discussing now) that he eventually caused a rift in the team. Wilson the culprit and he’ll always be tarnished for me bc of the whole Mr Unlimited schtick, but Carroll went with it.
Dunno about the reasoning behind the pass. When Belichek decided not to call TO, Carroll had to pass on 2nd or 3rd down if he wanted to be able to use all of his plays. He had to settle for an FG earlier in the half when they couldn’t convert a 3rd-and-1; this had to be in the back of his mind.
At time wasn’t as noticeable but I agree with you a lot. I do disagree that pass was the wrong play there. We had time. We had Lynch in our back pocket. For me I was ok with a pass. Willson, TE, though should have been the target. On the left side. He was going to be open in left corner but RW didn’t even look. Frankly my thinking was they wanted to give Ricardo a “reward” for his team contributions. My opinion, a ring on the finger good enough. Pass call not wrong. Had time. No INT on a pass play from the 1 all season. Got Lynch in back pocket. Belchick calling run defense. And totally agree, RW gets the TD pass, he’s MVP, stars align etc etc etc. dagger in hearts of Seahawks fans who “own” and are the Hawks more than RW or PC etc ever will be. Ego. Totally agree with you. And, it took away one of greatest SB catches of all time on what Kearse did to get us there. That knife wound still hurts.
I did one mock this week, and was offered a trade by the NY Giants to move up to 18. Sheduer Sanders was still on the board. It makes sense for the Giants since in all likelihood the Steelers would probably take Sanders at pick 21. That being said, I think it’s more likely the Saints take Sanders’s at pick 9 now. Carr is rumored to be out long term. I don’t see the Giants moving up for Dart or anyone else.
I made the statement after the top 10 post that it seemed that edge was gonna be the pick, so it’s not a desert island SJ. And the one my gut feel for was Green. No reason other than that though, so I won’t be making any bets on it.
Do you want me to do this again in a week?
I would like to see this exercise again...I would also like to see if we hypothetically reduced the positional total to 10 positions - which (ironically) we have 10 picks, which positions would we maybe double-dip and which positions would we not draft as a result. If we use the first 5 position groups on Defense 1 DT, 2 Edge/DE, 3 LB/OLB, 4 S, 5 CB. On offense the next 5 groups being 6 QB, 7 RB/FB, 8 WR/TE, 9 IOL, and 10 OT. We could theoretically draft one from each group, or we could 'double-dip on one or more groups which would then leave a void in a corresponding group. I want to know which group(s) are likely to get double dipped and which group(s) get omitted.
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YES!!!
I love the draft and follow the Mocks.I have come to the realization that the experts are expert on picking the top player but not so great on where they will go.
I think this is because of the shifting sands of the draft .Teams are always picking
the .”wrong” player,which screws up other teams strategy and so on,
Naturally I have my favorite players,they are of course never selected.
Still when the draft starts I am there at the ready,a beer in one hand, a bag of Fritos
near by, hoping my team will do t the right thing for once!
I will throw out the Will Johnson, a late visit, medical check. If healthy wud have been at 10, at 18 or even slight trade down in first. But before packers.
I think you're right that the two positions most likely to be picked are OT and Edge, and because I think the best OTs will be gone by 18, the Seahawks will pick an edge.. just not the one everyone thinks it might be. I think all signs point to Jihaad Campbell, who like Parsons was an edge in high school and will make a similar transition back there in the NFL.
I think in view of the cost of good edge rushers, the fact that Seattle still has an unknown with Nwosu (health), and that Mafe is in year 4, draft a first round edge it isn't out of the relm of possibility. Verse's impact last year along with his teamate Fisk; after losing Donald, doesn't go unoticed. After taking Murphy last year and edge with a similar overlap in Seattle might make sense. I fully expect Seattle to add an edge and corner in the draft. Most of the O-Line guys don't seem to have an excessive drop off in the second round talent. I have not put it out of the relm of possibility Seattle trading down and picking up another 3rd round pick and then selecting a lineman (T/G) in round 1. Seattle might well be able to add OT/G, Edge and corner with the first three picks. Interior O-line, WR/TE and Safety in the 3rd with the extra pick. TE was mocked more than once for Seattle in the first round, but I'm not sure they will go that way. Rounds 4-7 should give opportunity for LB, RB, D-Line and WR/TE. Seattle spent 3 picks on O-line last year, all of which got snaps. Rarely do you find an offensive lineman outside of the top 10 (or beyond) that is a first year game changer. Development appears to be part of the plan for 2025. Free agency was not exactly offering "that guy" on the offensive line so I can only speculate that development, scheme and year 2 improvment seems the line of thinking here. I reiterate what I said many weeks back from Daniel J's quote on Seattle Sports radio, "there are no real superstars this year, but alot of potential starters into day 2." A good year to add depth and and fill gaps on your roster. Let's face it, no matter what JS and MM are betting the farm on, and since JS or MM have not been kind enough to add me to their email chain, I guess I'll have to go with my gut. JS seems to think they have some better outcomes on their O-Line in year two with current talent, a pro OC, and adding a first or second round pick in a couple of weeks. One thing I have thought about is that I have heard very little on Lucas's health this offseason which may be good news for 25. I think if Seattle plays their cards right with a solid draft (no superstars), they become a better team on both sides of the roster, and could build a more cohesive unit with their leadership changes. Adding Kupp has some real hidden value in the locker room and the practice field, Jones you already know (along with the Cat/Reed). Darnell seemed to have a more matured leadership in Minn last year which may benefit Seattle this year and beyond. With the dice just about out of the hand, place your bets Seasiders and strap in for an anyones guess 2025. Will this be a forgettable or historic moment in the Seahawks story. Come on 7.
I absolutely love the premise of this article. I'm not a huge draft nut but this one got my attention. Keep them coming Kenneth!
Any Edge would have to excel from day one to displace any of the four Edges we've already got. That is the most important point. I agree, after getting educated by you, that they are highly unlikely to take a guard at 18 or in the first round at all, but guard and Edge are not the only two positions that will be available. A first round CB would most likely be an improvement on Jobe, and would be a hedge against the possibility that they will let Woolen go rather than pay him what he will command.
Tackle is a first round position and we need to guard against losing Lucas to injury again and he could play LG this year.
It's hard to have too many edges, but we could test that theory if we draft one in the first round this year.
For the record, I have EDGE in R—Mykel Williams because I doubt that Jihaad Campbell will be available.
So many good solid points in this article it’s hard for me to add anything. It seems like you have taken a consensus of my thoughts over the last month and wrote them out for me. I agree that John Schneider is going value based, tackle, edge, cb, dt. I just believe we will be taking a corner. At the end of the day I feel confident in saying that in the first round we will be drafting the teams highest rated player available from those four positions. If it is from another position then John thinks they are a game changing talent. An example would be Steve Hutchinson in first round
Hold on a minute. I think we got caught up in all the mock draft silliness (because it's fun and easy) and missed the meat of SSJ's argument. Which I take to be this:
"An edge is worth: $10-$40 million per season among top-30 players
A guard’s position is worth $3-$20 million per season among top-30 players"
That's the expenses side of the ledger.
Perhaps we should consider the other half of the equation: Income.
Because the job here is to build a team, and I realize that contract finances are an important piece of that job. But the job is also to build a WINNING team. Why? Because a winning team puts butts in the seats. Playoff games make money, right? Especially home games. Success sells merch. All the other revenue streams flow from developing a national profile, being seen as serious contenders. From winning.
Now, I don't want to be so incautious as to be caught arguing that a R1 IOL choice would somehow make us Super Bowl contenders next season. But we are mired in mediocrity largely because our offense can't be trusted -- not to burn clock, not to convert third downs, nor to run the ball effectively. We're hoping new coaches and a different blocking scheme (again) bring improvement.
But you have to have players. And we have to fix our interior offensive line. Some of that can happen with the players we have learning more, settling down, getting stronger, if that's possible, being coached up. I have some faith in that. I believe in Olu until proven wrong, and I believe in Haynes. Not with religious fervor, but I'm prepared to trust the brain trust. But we're still at least a guard short, and maybe a long-term right tackle, or at least some quality back-ups.
And clearly JS KNOWS we need players, otherwise he wouldn't have been in for however long he was in chasing Mr. Fries, who ended up with $88-million over five years. To play guard. We were bidding on that player, who had FOUR good games. Maybe five. Because JS recognized that we have to fix the damn'd problem. And fixing things always comes with a price.
But my larger point in this extended rant is this: player salaries are only half the story. Teams also need income, and TV contracts aren't the entire equation. I submit, with all due respect, that we need also to consider -- that JS must also be considering -- the income side of the balance sheet.
Also, returning to clear thing up because I can be a bit of a slow, grinding processor...my argument is not in favor of need v. BPA. My argument is that BPA weighted by position group -- with the exception of QB, alas, and I'm not even certain I agree with that, or at least with how much of a bump QB apparently gets -- is, perhaps, unwise. Or, y'know, folly. If OG is BPA at 18, take OG. If it'a an Edge, take an edge. That's what I'm arguing. I may, as always, be terribly, utterly wrong.
Not to be a jerk, but you don't list income on a balance sheet....easy way to remember is you will lose your BALANCE if you drink too much ALE..Assetts, Liabilities and Equity - which is what's on a balance sheet..
OK. You're doing actual accounting! I've run really tiny businesses. My balance sheet looks a lot like a checkbook. So...am I using the wrong accounting document for my metaphor, long as we're doing this? (I did have a semester of high school accounting in 1977, so, y'know...) Income/cash flow shows up somewhere, doesn't it?
All good brother..just keep posting. I like seeing your thoughts and hearing others ideas, its one of the highlights of this community.
Income on income statement and cash flow gets it's own report.
My $$ is on edge or a long snapper with 18…essentially if the edge they want isn’t there they will try to trade back. If we pick a low positional value player at 18 it’s because we couldn’t trade back and they took BPA regardless of positional value.
Bahahaha!
It would be better if Travis Hunter played WR and LS as a two-way player. Now THAT would be crazy.
FYI I’ve been posting Edge, CB, OT since end of season, but I’m not a pundit like these other “experts”. So you’re not alone on your island. And frankly you hit the pay dirt on why in this article. Money. Teams need talent. At same time, you just cannot pay every position group excess bucks. That positional $$$ comparison is money. Massive sums in net value and I’m positive that is how JS thinks. A fifth year Edge saves me 2 starters salaries. IOL doesn’t save.
Birds of a feather
Go Hawks!!! ;-)
Second note, is Loveland can’t block, then other than cost savings, how is he really any different than Fant? Fant had the best catch percentage. Not his fault he isn’t utilized by coaches.
I continue to worship at the SSJ altar of high value positions that JS will prioritize in the first round, and this excellent article once again reinforces my deeply entrenched belief system.
Just one *little* question that I wonder (hope?) about. It is WR. Because, as noted, WR talent is very much high-value, and sometimes hard to get, whereas TE (as noted) may be borderline 1st round value. I get the argument that Kupp is meant to give us two years of a solid WR2, but I also think about the fact that we added JSN when we had a WR1 & 2 who both had contracts 2 or more years out (and were two or more years younger than Kupp).
So, isn’t there a reasonable best-player-available scenario where we take a 1st round WR? We carried JSN at WR3 year one, and then he rocketed to WR1 in year two - arguably a good player development scenario. Kupp could easily decline or get injured again, or both, and he’s basically on a 1 yr 17M deal with team options for a couple more years. Objectively we don’t know if Kupp is a solid 2-yr WR2 answer. And, we can think back to the “they’re both slots” debate.
I agree that the shift to a balanced offense weighs in favor of investment elsewhere, but I’m still inclined to grade the WR mock picks maybe a little higher - possibly in the B range? - even though I don’t really have a good judgment on whether a true BPA WR will be sitting there at pick 18. Could another run on QBs push some guys down to us, like with Murphy last year?
I didn't actually agree with SSJ's reasoning behind Tet not being a possibility. The way I took it was he was saying that WR was not a position of need and isn't that just the opposite side of the same coin of drafting for need?
Yes, that’s my line of thinking too. I see the need there as much as when we drafted JSN, if not more, enough that we could take a BPA WR at the #18 spot if someone is there. But maybe the real issue is that there just isn’t much 1st round WR talent this year, so if Tet doesn’t drop to us (or we don’t consider him BPA for whatever reasons - I mean, when it’s one guy, who knows), or it doesn’t make sense to trade down for Gordon if a nice Edge or OT is there for us, then a WR is not in the cards.
In short, need and value for a WR pick aren’t the issue for me - it’s just slim pickins, so that could justify the low grades for anyone predicting a WR pick given other BPA choices that may be there. In other words, fair “likelihood” grades.
I will still not be surprised to see us add a WR3 growth prospect among the top 5 picks. Again, depending on talent evaluation at those levels, which is not my forte, but more based on JS history of taking guys like Tyler, DK, JSN early when available, including the DK trade-up. Let Kupp be Bobby Engram for a couple 3 years and get another burner in the pipeline.
Thank you for attending service!
You definitely do predict Seattle's draft better than anyone bc you understand Schneider. "Value-forward" is the term. I'm hopeful it's a tackle rather than an edge but I know you're the better predictor.
In that vein, what are the chances he trades down? I know you're skeptical there will be many offers but if someone is hanging around at 18 that he doesn't want to spend a 1st rd pick on, maybe he takes the trade-down? He's "been dismissive" with 1st rd picks quite alot (just showing the highest pick received, not the entire haul):
2012: traded from 12 to 15
2013: traded 25 for Percy Harvin
2014: traded 32 to 40
2015: traded 31 (and Max Unger!) for Jimmy Graham
2016: traded 26 for 31
2017: traded 26 for 31, and then 31 for 34
2018: traded 18 for 27 (hey lookie, we're at 18 again!)
2019: traded 21 for 30
2021: traded 23 and 2022's 1st rd pick (#10) as well for Jamal Adams
2022: traded Russell Wilson for Denver's 9 (Cross) and Denver's 2023's 5 (Spoon)
Damn, now that I'm looking at it, he's almost as predictable to trade as he is to not pick an iOL or a QB.
How had this worked out?
Not all that well IMHO, but that doesn’t really matter — it’s what he does unfortunately
Man that 2015 is still one of those that pisses me off more than anything. I wasn’t a big fan of Graham, except in fantasy before he came here, but loved Max. At least Max got hardware. I actually wasn’t has bummed about Percy trade. And he did give us one of the greatest highlights of my lifetime watching in run directly at “me” in that SB (ok nose bleed but sure felt he was bringing me the ball!!!)
I’m with you — the Unger trade was the beginning of the end.
Actually I have a whole theory about Wilson/Carroll. Wilson was so obsessed with becoming the GOAT and Carroll tried so hard to get him his MVP status (that SB pass against NE instead of just ramming it in with Marshawn; and the Graham trade we’re discussing now) that he eventually caused a rift in the team. Wilson the culprit and he’ll always be tarnished for me bc of the whole Mr Unlimited schtick, but Carroll went with it.
Which led to the infamous Sherman “you suck!!” 🤣
Dunno about the reasoning behind the pass. When Belichek decided not to call TO, Carroll had to pass on 2nd or 3rd down if he wanted to be able to use all of his plays. He had to settle for an FG earlier in the half when they couldn’t convert a 3rd-and-1; this had to be in the back of his mind.
At time wasn’t as noticeable but I agree with you a lot. I do disagree that pass was the wrong play there. We had time. We had Lynch in our back pocket. For me I was ok with a pass. Willson, TE, though should have been the target. On the left side. He was going to be open in left corner but RW didn’t even look. Frankly my thinking was they wanted to give Ricardo a “reward” for his team contributions. My opinion, a ring on the finger good enough. Pass call not wrong. Had time. No INT on a pass play from the 1 all season. Got Lynch in back pocket. Belchick calling run defense. And totally agree, RW gets the TD pass, he’s MVP, stars align etc etc etc. dagger in hearts of Seahawks fans who “own” and are the Hawks more than RW or PC etc ever will be. Ego. Totally agree with you. And, it took away one of greatest SB catches of all time on what Kearse did to get us there. That knife wound still hurts.
I did one mock this week, and was offered a trade by the NY Giants to move up to 18. Sheduer Sanders was still on the board. It makes sense for the Giants since in all likelihood the Steelers would probably take Sanders at pick 21. That being said, I think it’s more likely the Saints take Sanders’s at pick 9 now. Carr is rumored to be out long term. I don’t see the Giants moving up for Dart or anyone else.
I made the statement after the top 10 post that it seemed that edge was gonna be the pick, so it’s not a desert island SJ. And the one my gut feel for was Green. No reason other than that though, so I won’t be making any bets on it.
This is such good stuff
Appreciate you!