In-depth look at Seattle's four picks in this mock, including two DL, a WR, and a G: Seaside Joe 1484
Ken, thanks for referencing the March 25th article. I went back and read it more closely. You asked, "please FIGHT ME back on that so that we can get to the TRUTH instead of playing his game of agendas that misleads Seahawks fans for no reason". Thanks for asking for my loyalty and not my devotion!
You wrote, "What I am setting out to do with this article is to make sure you’re aware of the real facts about Carter because it’s not me but others who are attempting to manipulate you and make sure that you only know half-truths about his character, his conditioning concerns, his football abilities, and the actual record of evidence weighing against him relative to all of his peers and many other 21-year-olds."
I don't think you achieved the above. By failing to address the primary concern about Carter - which is his FOOTBALL character, you did not provide the complete set of facts like you claimed you would.
As you rightfully pointed out, prospects such as Sapp, Moss, Clark and such came with questionable "MORAL" character - I'm using that term very loosely here - became very good players. "MORAL" character includes problems with smoking weed, trouble with the law, and domestic violence.
But they did not come with questionable FOOTBALL character, i.e practice habits, passion for playing football, and competitive spirit like Carter does. It is very important to separate that out. You mentioned Malik McDowell. He came with the exact same FOOTBALL character concerns as Carter does. But he did not come with "MORAL" character concerns like the other ones.
You wrote, “I’d just focus more on what his coaches and teammates and people coming to his defense are saying and make excuses for everything else.” I found it very perplexing that you did not detail the things that his coaches have said about him - so far that's really the few concrete information the public really have but it's the most relevant to our discussion.
In The Athletic article published in February, Bruce Feldman interviewed Carter's position coach Tray Turner and he spoke glowingly of Carter's worldly athletic traits. He also said how Carter is kind-hearted and helped out a poor teammate. But that's not helpful because we already know he's very talented and John Schneider himself a Catholic is not drafting him to replace POPE Francis.
More importantly, Coach Turner also has this to say, "But I know how he is within our organization, and at the end of the day, I like for my guys to have a little edge, so where people may determine as ‘character issues’ may just be a guy who has a little edge that may be laid-back." Laid back could possibly be intepreted in different ways but for Carter, it is more likely someone who is not motivated. Why? because his head coach Kirby Smart has gone on record saying as such.
“Jalen is definitely talented, and you have to push,” Georgia coach Kirby Smart said. “You have to be willing to push yourself and give great effort in practice because that is what set Devonte Wyatt apart. He was not that player when he got here. He was not that talented of a player when he got here. He worked himself and lost weight. He got stronger and quicker. He wasn’t the player in year one or two that he was in year three, four, or five."
I am sure you are keenly aware of these articles. I find it really odd that you seem to skirt around Carter's FOOTBALL character. You correctly pointed out glaring signs such as huge hole at DL, defense performance, and PC's side of ball, to reject the null hypothesis, which is Carter is not a Seahawk. Yet I'm curious as to why you did not discuss how Carter's FOOTBALL character would reconcile with what JS AND PC had said about the lessons they learned from 2022 draft. My biggest objection is the process you're using to analyze whether or not Carter should be drafted by Seahawks at five seems flawed.
They had won five straight and were 8-2. Finished the season at 9-8. Kitna started twelve games in 2000 (Brock Huard started the other four!). By then, Mike Holmgren has seen enough and traded for Matt Hasselbeck.
Avila or Schmitz would be nice. A Receiver at #20 is mis-placed. WE NEED PLAYERS TO FILL SPOTS, NOT QUICK REMEDIES.
I don't get the Flowers love. He'd be a decent late second or third round pick, but at 20? I'd rather Bijan, or another DT.
Would be reasonably happy with Avila at #52, and i get why media would predict as such - Avila is pretty high on most big boards, Seattle needs IOL help, therefore you put the highest rated IOL to them. But I feel it's far more likely would draft Wypler here (who is available in McShay's mock). Wypler far better fits the mold for IOL's drafted/signed in the Waldron offence, has more natural ability at C which is a more pressing need than G, and is I feel the better football player anyway. I'd also see Mauch being a more likely pick here, just for his freakish ability and genuinely stunning flexibility from C right out to T. I'll trade a little rawness/wildness from Mauch for the potential upside. Avila is the "safe" pick, and "safe" is just kinda boring.
Satisfying 4 picks.
Also satisfying: your Chapelle/Rick James reference!
Zay Flowers, wow. KenJoe, did you use one of those scent-sending-thru-internet apps while you were chopping up potent onions ? ! ... 'cause i could feel them.
Here's hoping! Could have another uplifting personality like Tyler Lockett on our team.
Gotta root for this young man and his Family whichever team he goes to.
Which one of these is not like the other (college career edition):
Player 1: games 24; tackles 56; tfl 26; sacks 10
Player 2: tackles 176; sacks 19.5
Player 3: games 35; tackles 44; tfl 18.5; sacks 6
Player 4: games 54; tackles 125; tfl 49.5; sacks 24
Player 5: games 42; tackles 293; tfl 19; sacks 32
One of these players should not be so casually put in the same sentence has great players. Maybe the upside is physically similar, but the actual production you are projecting from is practically from another world. Highlight tapes match this too.
Please stop making inane comparisons, even if others do.
1 is Quinnen Williams
2 is Warren Sapp
3 is Jalen Carter
4 is Ndamukong Suh
5 is Reggie White
"I won’t be shocked if John Schneider dials 1-800-FLOWERS"
And starts panicking, not understanding why the guy won't take his draft pick and keeps saying he "has the wrong number."
Speaking as one who is, Carter might be an introvert. If so, there’s no shell for him to come out of. This is relevant to his success or failure to the extent that he’s encouraged to be himself.
I would not hate these picks.