I thought about Lynch in my heart, but in my head the best Seahawks RB is Shaun Alexander. Numbers are what they are, and Shaun’s are dominant. As a Seahawk:
- Seasons of 300+ carries: SA 4* / ML 1
- Seasons averaging 100+ YPG: 2/0
- Rushing TDs: 100/58
- Rushes for 1D: 500/334
- 200+ yd games: 2/0
- 150-199 yd games: 11/0
- 100+ yd games: 37/24
Comparing across eras isn’t always the wisest course, but still…
Then I considered a recent interview with Walter Jones where Big Walt said that he never played with anyone who wanted to score a touchdown more than Shaun or knew more about how to do it. (He didn’t elaborate on the last point, but I took his word for it.) The respect and affection that Jones had for Shaun were palpable.
I’d put Shaun on Mt Rush over Marshawn, and Pete over both.
My main issue with his running out of bounds vs gaining extra yards. And his OLine was one of the top ever in history and a monster FB. But agreed. I mean he single handedly beat the Vikes and if ball was inside the 10, it’s a rushing TD.
I want to put Easley at 4, or even Wagner but I just couldn’t explain away Wilson.
Based on recent history I understand the current sentiment for Russ. Couple things though, Russ is the best Quarterback (most important single position) in franchise history. He holds basically all franchise records in passing and rushing as a QB along with touchdown throws, attempts, completions all others records except fumbles and interceptions. Those two are held by Krieg. Oh, he also has the most wins and took us to two super bowls winning one.
While the LOB was historic, there were plenty of games we don’t win without young Russ. His RPO with Lynch was unstoppable at times. The fact he was a top 10 player at his position for almost a decade in the NFL puts him above 99.9% of other Seahawks players up for consideration.
Dave "tiny hands" Kreig held some decent QB records during and even after his time. He deserves at least some votes. Curt Warner for sure. Ground Chuck/Air Knox, (Chuka Knox) deserves it. Hell, I think Jack Patera deserves something, if not only for posterity sake. I'll also throw Dr Dan "Mr 3rd Down" Doornink on the list because he's a local boy so that's gotta count for something!
Wow! How could Wilson be so low on this list. Dosnt anyone remember the Super Bowl victory. The next year his 14 point come from behind victory to make it back to the super bowel. Also his come from behind victories over the next 10 years. Does any one remember the early years of the Seahawks not winning 1/2 their games. Fans are spoiled now. Per Carrol will be in the hall of fame. So should wilson
Hutch, Alexander, Earl.....wow some really good ones left off completely. It's always fun to see who picks whom. It's also interesting to see how 'when you started watching the Seahawks' factors in. You can almost guess people's age based on their responses. I think it's also great to see that some people value owners and coaches highly as they typically go unnoticed in this exercise - but they have sooo much influence over the organization. Heck, if it weren't for Paul Allen we might not even be talking about the 'Hawks right now...
Hutch didn’t finish here which is why he isn’t at the top. Yes for all time Seahawk guards he is there but not top 4 ever Hawk. Love he is back here helping management out though.
Hutch would have been my fourth had he played here longer. If the list was the top 4 players that ever wore a Seahawks uniform, it would look quite different perhaps. That would be a fun one too!
Walt, Steve, and Russ, if I'm only allowed three. To me, this designation must reflect longevity, accomplishment, and perceived ability relative to positional peers in the same era.
He could easily be there too. Ultimately, the super bowl win pushed Wilson ahead for me. It was an iconic Seahawk moment. If I put four names up there, he'd be the fourth.
-the most relevant Seahawks with no votes? QB: Clearly Dave Krieg is the most accomplished to get no votes. I think for me, Warren Moon would still be ahead of Geno Smith, but I don't think anyone's getting onto a consensus Mt Rushmore except Russell Wilson and that's not very close right now.
-RB: Shaun Alexander got no votes! Neither did Curt Warner or Chris Warren or Ricky Watters. If we did the opposite of a Mt. Rushmore, I would put Julius Jones on it. WRs: DK Metcalf, Darrell Jackson, Doug Baldwin, Joey Galloway, Bobby Engram. TE: Hasn't been a very good run. Shout out to Itula Mili. OL: Steve Hutchinson no votes, surprising for a Hall of Famer? Which OL stands out to you after Walter Jones? It's a shame Kevin Mawae left in 1998.
- Defensive players: Dave Brown is the franchise leader in INT (50), followed by Eugene Robinson (42) and John Harris (41). Marcus Trufant, Shawn Springs, Earl Thomas, Quandre Diggs received no votes. Michael Sinclair's 25 FF is nine more than second place Cliff Avril. No votes for Jacob Green, the all-time leader in sacks (115.5), followed by Sinclair at 73.5, then Jeff Bryant at 63. Chad Brown, Lofa Tatupu, Frank Clark, Chris Clemons, KJ Wright, Michael Bennett to name some more. And the all-time scoring leader in Seattle history: Norm Johnson. Also, Michael Dickson!
I posted about Brown and several others you listed which is why it is so hard. For me though it is a matter of longevity and team level contributions. Moon for example definitely one of my favorites and if he comes here in 80s instead of Houston, with the defense we had, we’re likely a SB team. I also posted about Jacob “my man Jacob” was me as a kid yelling at the TV when he was making a play. Loved Big Red joined the family. And Jacob has the golf event.
That's the great thing about capped lists. It forces you into choices, and leaving things off the list that are uncomfortable. Try the same exercise by writing down the 5 (or 4) most important things in your life. Hard choices, but a great exercise for clarity. Then think about your behaviors, and whether they align to those most important things. If they don't, re-evaluate either your behaviors, or the the list of most important things.
Some of those defensive players in the pre-Holmgren era were excellent. Dave Brown, Eugene Robinson, and Jacob Green were excellent football players.
The most amazing thing to me about Dickson's double kick was how he picked up that spinning ball with just one hand and on the run. I think that happens one time out of 100.
I thought about Lynch in my heart, but in my head the best Seahawks RB is Shaun Alexander. Numbers are what they are, and Shaun’s are dominant. As a Seahawk:
- Seasons of 300+ carries: SA 4* / ML 1
- Seasons averaging 100+ YPG: 2/0
- Rushing TDs: 100/58
- Rushes for 1D: 500/334
- 200+ yd games: 2/0
- 150-199 yd games: 11/0
- 100+ yd games: 37/24
Comparing across eras isn’t always the wisest course, but still…
Then I considered a recent interview with Walter Jones where Big Walt said that he never played with anyone who wanted to score a touchdown more than Shaun or knew more about how to do it. (He didn’t elaborate on the last point, but I took his word for it.) The respect and affection that Jones had for Shaun were palpable.
I’d put Shaun on Mt Rush over Marshawn, and Pete over both.
* One other of 295
My main issue with his running out of bounds vs gaining extra yards. And his OLine was one of the top ever in history and a monster FB. But agreed. I mean he single handedly beat the Vikes and if ball was inside the 10, it’s a rushing TD.
I think Mookie A is keeping tabs on SSJ....
Largent, Jones, Tez and Wilson
I want to put Easley at 4, or even Wagner but I just couldn’t explain away Wilson.
Based on recent history I understand the current sentiment for Russ. Couple things though, Russ is the best Quarterback (most important single position) in franchise history. He holds basically all franchise records in passing and rushing as a QB along with touchdown throws, attempts, completions all others records except fumbles and interceptions. Those two are held by Krieg. Oh, he also has the most wins and took us to two super bowls winning one.
While the LOB was historic, there were plenty of games we don’t win without young Russ. His RPO with Lynch was unstoppable at times. The fact he was a top 10 player at his position for almost a decade in the NFL puts him above 99.9% of other Seahawks players up for consideration.
Dave "tiny hands" Kreig held some decent QB records during and even after his time. He deserves at least some votes. Curt Warner for sure. Ground Chuck/Air Knox, (Chuka Knox) deserves it. Hell, I think Jack Patera deserves something, if not only for posterity sake. I'll also throw Dr Dan "Mr 3rd Down" Doornink on the list because he's a local boy so that's gotta count for something!
I posted about Curt. Had he never been hurt we likely see him right at SA numbers.
Let's just etch Marshawn's face up there four times and call it a day.
I was genuinely shocked by Shaun Alexander’s complete omission from the discussion moreso than any other player.
What I see is it’s hard to find a consensus on four players with nearly 50 years of history to look at.
Wow! How could Wilson be so low on this list. Dosnt anyone remember the Super Bowl victory. The next year his 14 point come from behind victory to make it back to the super bowel. Also his come from behind victories over the next 10 years. Does any one remember the early years of the Seahawks not winning 1/2 their games. Fans are spoiled now. Per Carrol will be in the hall of fame. So should wilson
Hutch, Alexander, Earl.....wow some really good ones left off completely. It's always fun to see who picks whom. It's also interesting to see how 'when you started watching the Seahawks' factors in. You can almost guess people's age based on their responses. I think it's also great to see that some people value owners and coaches highly as they typically go unnoticed in this exercise - but they have sooo much influence over the organization. Heck, if it weren't for Paul Allen we might not even be talking about the 'Hawks right now...
Wow, did everyone forget about Hutchinson....oops I forgot Seattle places no value on OL
Hutch didn’t finish here which is why he isn’t at the top. Yes for all time Seahawk guards he is there but not top 4 ever Hawk. Love he is back here helping management out though.
Hutch would have been my fourth had he played here longer. If the list was the top 4 players that ever wore a Seahawks uniform, it would look quite different perhaps. That would be a fun one too!
Walt, Steve, and Russ, if I'm only allowed three. To me, this designation must reflect longevity, accomplishment, and perceived ability relative to positional peers in the same era.
So, somehow Cortez Kennedy doesn't make your list?
He could easily be there too. Ultimately, the super bowl win pushed Wilson ahead for me. It was an iconic Seahawk moment. If I put four names up there, he'd be the fourth.
Haha. Mount Carroll.
Has to be Pete and or Russ! If the list is expanded ad Alexander and Cam Bam ( the most feared safety since Ronnie Lott!!!
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-the most relevant Seahawks with no votes? QB: Clearly Dave Krieg is the most accomplished to get no votes. I think for me, Warren Moon would still be ahead of Geno Smith, but I don't think anyone's getting onto a consensus Mt Rushmore except Russell Wilson and that's not very close right now.
-RB: Shaun Alexander got no votes! Neither did Curt Warner or Chris Warren or Ricky Watters. If we did the opposite of a Mt. Rushmore, I would put Julius Jones on it. WRs: DK Metcalf, Darrell Jackson, Doug Baldwin, Joey Galloway, Bobby Engram. TE: Hasn't been a very good run. Shout out to Itula Mili. OL: Steve Hutchinson no votes, surprising for a Hall of Famer? Which OL stands out to you after Walter Jones? It's a shame Kevin Mawae left in 1998.
- Defensive players: Dave Brown is the franchise leader in INT (50), followed by Eugene Robinson (42) and John Harris (41). Marcus Trufant, Shawn Springs, Earl Thomas, Quandre Diggs received no votes. Michael Sinclair's 25 FF is nine more than second place Cliff Avril. No votes for Jacob Green, the all-time leader in sacks (115.5), followed by Sinclair at 73.5, then Jeff Bryant at 63. Chad Brown, Lofa Tatupu, Frank Clark, Chris Clemons, KJ Wright, Michael Bennett to name some more. And the all-time scoring leader in Seattle history: Norm Johnson. Also, Michael Dickson!
I posted about Brown and several others you listed which is why it is so hard. For me though it is a matter of longevity and team level contributions. Moon for example definitely one of my favorites and if he comes here in 80s instead of Houston, with the defense we had, we’re likely a SB team. I also posted about Jacob “my man Jacob” was me as a kid yelling at the TV when he was making a play. Loved Big Red joined the family. And Jacob has the golf event.
That's the great thing about capped lists. It forces you into choices, and leaving things off the list that are uncomfortable. Try the same exercise by writing down the 5 (or 4) most important things in your life. Hard choices, but a great exercise for clarity. Then think about your behaviors, and whether they align to those most important things. If they don't, re-evaluate either your behaviors, or the the list of most important things.
Some of those defensive players in the pre-Holmgren era were excellent. Dave Brown, Eugene Robinson, and Jacob Green were excellent football players.
The most amazing thing to me about Dickson's double kick was how he picked up that spinning ball with just one hand and on the run. I think that happens one time out of 100.
He’s an Aussie remember. That’s bread and butter stuff in our football.
Regardless of thoughts on Russ and his performance pre/post departure this will always be one of my favorite Seahawk moments https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/clO_pabgXr-DjiikH5oqfdWjBq8=/0x0:1196x762/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:1196x762):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/23299073/Screen_Shot_2022_03_08_at_12.30.03_PM.png