If you take John at his word, it will be player based, not position based in the early rounds. So it will really be their board that dictates where they go, not their needs/wants. So sure, it could be DT or Edge, but it could also be OT or OG/OC if they trade back a bit. I would agree the trenches need some new blood, but I wouldn't bypass I higher rated player to do that early in the draft. If they're top rated guy is a CB they might go there......and there are some good ones in this draft. I can only imagine the outcry if they did that.
Another thing John has said a few times is that not a lot has changed in what they are looking for, or in how they evaluate each position. I think he is saying that so that nobody knows what has changed in what they are looking for. I find it hard to believe what they look in a LB or DT or OG has not changed at all given the new schemes and coaches. I guess we'll find out.
Ahh the narrative that having an offensive line just doesn’t matter much surfaces. Those that believe that should not be allowed to complain about Red Zone scoring, third down conversion percentages and second half of the season drop offs in offense. Because those stats directly correlate to offensive line play. Yes it is passing league but when a team cannot run then passing becomes an infinitely harder proposition.
If the Seahawks do take an O-lineman early, it will be at tackle. That will likely mean Abe Lucas is unlikely to be back or reach his hoped for potential. "Guards are overpaid and over-drafted." Seahawks will pick a DB, a LB, and a D-lineman (edge or DT) before an OG. That would be the second pick in the 4th round absent a trade down to garner extra pick(s). If they do pick up a second round pick in a trade down, they may also pick a WR/TE before OG.
Thank you Joe, thank you. Finally a salient thought rises from the mist of a million tears sobbing for a new offensive line.
Oh Great Spirit please just give me one mean, ass-eating, defensive lineman to help our defense kick some serious butt. And just give the OL some time to settle, which they will.
Joe. Another HR! (they gonna be pissed with you now, son)
I doubt Abe Lucas will ever play a full schedule. He played 16 games as a rookie and six last season. Schneider needs to plan for his replacement. I hope he proves me wrong.
I haven't commented much lately because you keep writing what I am thinking in your articles. Thank you for fueling my confirmation bias, Ken.
FWIW, 12th man rising has us sticking and picking DT, DT, OL, OL, Edge, then RB last. Looking at it, I think I missed one. They have us getting Byron Murphy II, then Kris Jenkins. If they both are available, this really could happen with how we have worked free agency. They pointed out Jarran Reed is only signed through next year. Noth those guys are top-5 DTs and NASTY.
I agree with the general sentiment I am getting from most of the comments and the article that these signings address our NEEDS, and like you said... we could field a team right now. We have out baseline needs filled, and now have the flexibility to go BPA at every pick, or trade without feeling pressure to fill a need.
As often pointed out, we were close last 2 yrs, maybe better last yr than 2022, but had injuries and a much harder schedule. Now, with new schemes and coaches (Nwosu is very happy with new coaching staff according to recent comments), JS has tried to improve that part of the team, and can now increase our overall level of talent and attitude piece by piece.
I am not excited yet, but I like what we've done so far. Now.... the draft.
They hired a defensive coordinator as head coach. Our defense was a problem last season. The new head coach will almost certainly be expected to improve the defense as job 1. That means the draft is going to be focused on new tools for the new coach to show what he was hired to do.
“But what about Oluwatimi and Bradford? Is the answer that if a player can’t start and play at a high level as a rookie that he must be replaced immediately?” Good point SSJ.
I think we all need to have a little patience and see what unfolds. I’m sure we all agree the Seahawks had multiple issues and areas where we could improve from last year, but we can’t fix everything via the draft and/or FA.
I would argue that many of the issues were down to scheme and coaching, rather than lump it all on players. Both the O and D showed something at times last season - just not enough.
I’m looking forward to what the new coaching staff is going to do, including with the players we already have. And I’m hoping they can get more from everyone on the field. Time will tell, but I will keep the faith for now (Cue Bon Jovi clip from Doug).
He have been told that John does not take guards high in the draft, by John himself. We are not converting a tackle to guard with pick 16. That will not happen. If we take a tackle at 16 it will be for them to play tackle. Guard will be 3rd or later not first and that’s been known for weeks now. I’ve said this before on FG and people brought up Ifedi and Carpenter, stating they were first r pubs picks at tackle converted to guard. This is proof that for John this has not worked in the past.
At 16 we will be taking a T, DT, Edge, CB or QB and that is it. Based on positional value these positions deserve first round money and rookie contracts mean savings in these positions.
I’m glad we signed Tomlinson, he is definitely as good as Lewis and much better than Haynes.
I think we all need to have patience and get ready for the learning curve to play out in front of our faces on national television. We have a new system, new coaches, and even if the players were exactly the same, it would look vastly different - but throw in the fact that we are going to have several new faces and BAM we got a very new team. Draft the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, no overthinking it! Which ever pick gets us closer to more wins and more wins against critical opponents (i.e. division rivals, top teams). I like the idea of stacking the trenches and fixing the defense. Stick and pick at 16 if the board falls in a way you get a top tier player. If not try and trade down. Hope someone we don't like falls and others want that player thus creating a bidding war for pick 16..? I'm looking at trading down from pick 81, I think it could be in that range of "good players that are still desired" and "not much drop off for the next 40 picks". Again, I think we are setting it up to be able to go BPA....having zero stress to force the draft outcomes, and the ability to just dream and imagine "what if.." LET'S GO JSMM!!!!!!
The signing of Lake Tomlinson to a 1-year deal has been both telegraphed for quite some time and doesn't change much if anything about the draft. The Seahawks have done a good job of getting some guys signed that will allow them to select whoever they feel is best in the draft.
But make no mistake about it, this is another stop-gap 1 year FA signing.
The arguments to give rookies a shot needs to be done both ways. Wouldn't drafting Jared Verse be no different than drafting a guard, for example? When is Derek Hall going to get his shot? And Derek Hall/Boye Mafe are second round picks ... while Bradford is 4th and Olu is a 5th round pick.
Overall, the Hawks had two major issues after 2023: Defense and Offensive Line.
It would be very hard to make the case that the offensive line has gotten better this offseason. Going from Damien Lewis who is market worth is $13M/yr to Laken Tomlinson who is $4M/yr is not exactly inspiring as just one example.
Overall, if this version of the Hawks line takes the field my sentiment will be "let's just not mess up guys", whereas when, for example, the Eagles or Lions take the field, it will be "lets enforce our will on this game and dominate both run and pass".
But, I agree that they will go best player available and not just grab a lineman in the first round.
The problem with the OL is several-fold. Our best player (Lucas) is hurt, and his prospects for true recovery are hazy. Our second best player (Cross) is not as good as he should be for where he was drafted. I've watched Troy Fautanu for years now with Washington, and I'd swap him right now for Cross in a New York minute. His mental make-up and drive alone make his eventual ceiling higher than Cross's ceiling, and I mean at tackle. At guard, I'd also take him over Williamson, and that includes next year. The dude competes his butt off, with plenty of skill. We can't seem to find a center we like, either. Would love to see a player who is quick enough to pull and strong enough to anchor, consistently. Maybe Olu can be that guy., and Bradford might pan out at RG, we'll see. But overall, between injury and skill issues, we just aren't good enough. The guys we signed this offseason are not going to fix that in the longer term, and are also unlikely to do so in the short term. They can make us serviceable, but that's about it.
I believe and hope that Schneider will draft the best defensive player available with whatever his first pick happens to be. He didn’t hire Mike Macdonald to straighten out the OL; MMs absolute top priority is turn around a bad defense. Even given his reputation of getting the best out of players, the Seattle D isn’t so deep in talent that it can’t benefit from an upgrade in just about every position group.
Understanding that you are probably correct, here is hoping upon hoping that either Olu or Harris can be the Guy at center-
If you take John at his word, it will be player based, not position based in the early rounds. So it will really be their board that dictates where they go, not their needs/wants. So sure, it could be DT or Edge, but it could also be OT or OG/OC if they trade back a bit. I would agree the trenches need some new blood, but I wouldn't bypass I higher rated player to do that early in the draft. If they're top rated guy is a CB they might go there......and there are some good ones in this draft. I can only imagine the outcry if they did that.
Another thing John has said a few times is that not a lot has changed in what they are looking for, or in how they evaluate each position. I think he is saying that so that nobody knows what has changed in what they are looking for. I find it hard to believe what they look in a LB or DT or OG has not changed at all given the new schemes and coaches. I guess we'll find out.
Ahh the narrative that having an offensive line just doesn’t matter much surfaces. Those that believe that should not be allowed to complain about Red Zone scoring, third down conversion percentages and second half of the season drop offs in offense. Because those stats directly correlate to offensive line play. Yes it is passing league but when a team cannot run then passing becomes an infinitely harder proposition.
If the Seahawks do take an O-lineman early, it will be at tackle. That will likely mean Abe Lucas is unlikely to be back or reach his hoped for potential. "Guards are overpaid and over-drafted." Seahawks will pick a DB, a LB, and a D-lineman (edge or DT) before an OG. That would be the second pick in the 4th round absent a trade down to garner extra pick(s). If they do pick up a second round pick in a trade down, they may also pick a WR/TE before OG.
Thank you Joe, thank you. Finally a salient thought rises from the mist of a million tears sobbing for a new offensive line.
Oh Great Spirit please just give me one mean, ass-eating, defensive lineman to help our defense kick some serious butt. And just give the OL some time to settle, which they will.
Joe. Another HR! (they gonna be pissed with you now, son)
I doubt Abe Lucas will ever play a full schedule. He played 16 games as a rookie and six last season. Schneider needs to plan for his replacement. I hope he proves me wrong.
I haven't commented much lately because you keep writing what I am thinking in your articles. Thank you for fueling my confirmation bias, Ken.
FWIW, 12th man rising has us sticking and picking DT, DT, OL, OL, Edge, then RB last. Looking at it, I think I missed one. They have us getting Byron Murphy II, then Kris Jenkins. If they both are available, this really could happen with how we have worked free agency. They pointed out Jarran Reed is only signed through next year. Noth those guys are top-5 DTs and NASTY.
I agree with the general sentiment I am getting from most of the comments and the article that these signings address our NEEDS, and like you said... we could field a team right now. We have out baseline needs filled, and now have the flexibility to go BPA at every pick, or trade without feeling pressure to fill a need.
As often pointed out, we were close last 2 yrs, maybe better last yr than 2022, but had injuries and a much harder schedule. Now, with new schemes and coaches (Nwosu is very happy with new coaching staff according to recent comments), JS has tried to improve that part of the team, and can now increase our overall level of talent and attitude piece by piece.
I am not excited yet, but I like what we've done so far. Now.... the draft.
They hired a defensive coordinator as head coach. Our defense was a problem last season. The new head coach will almost certainly be expected to improve the defense as job 1. That means the draft is going to be focused on new tools for the new coach to show what he was hired to do.
Thank you for saying this part out loud!
Easy peasey: Trade back...pick a DT run stopping monster in the middle with the 1st pick, and Mims (or a 'Mims like' pit bull) with the 2nd.
Having said that, this geezer has made way too many bad choices over the years to be taken seriously. So, never mind.
“But what about Oluwatimi and Bradford? Is the answer that if a player can’t start and play at a high level as a rookie that he must be replaced immediately?” Good point SSJ.
I think we all need to have a little patience and see what unfolds. I’m sure we all agree the Seahawks had multiple issues and areas where we could improve from last year, but we can’t fix everything via the draft and/or FA.
I would argue that many of the issues were down to scheme and coaching, rather than lump it all on players. Both the O and D showed something at times last season - just not enough.
I’m looking forward to what the new coaching staff is going to do, including with the players we already have. And I’m hoping they can get more from everyone on the field. Time will tell, but I will keep the faith for now (Cue Bon Jovi clip from Doug).
He have been told that John does not take guards high in the draft, by John himself. We are not converting a tackle to guard with pick 16. That will not happen. If we take a tackle at 16 it will be for them to play tackle. Guard will be 3rd or later not first and that’s been known for weeks now. I’ve said this before on FG and people brought up Ifedi and Carpenter, stating they were first r pubs picks at tackle converted to guard. This is proof that for John this has not worked in the past.
At 16 we will be taking a T, DT, Edge, CB or QB and that is it. Based on positional value these positions deserve first round money and rookie contracts mean savings in these positions.
I’m glad we signed Tomlinson, he is definitely as good as Lewis and much better than Haynes.
I think we all need to have patience and get ready for the learning curve to play out in front of our faces on national television. We have a new system, new coaches, and even if the players were exactly the same, it would look vastly different - but throw in the fact that we are going to have several new faces and BAM we got a very new team. Draft the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, no overthinking it! Which ever pick gets us closer to more wins and more wins against critical opponents (i.e. division rivals, top teams). I like the idea of stacking the trenches and fixing the defense. Stick and pick at 16 if the board falls in a way you get a top tier player. If not try and trade down. Hope someone we don't like falls and others want that player thus creating a bidding war for pick 16..? I'm looking at trading down from pick 81, I think it could be in that range of "good players that are still desired" and "not much drop off for the next 40 picks". Again, I think we are setting it up to be able to go BPA....having zero stress to force the draft outcomes, and the ability to just dream and imagine "what if.." LET'S GO JSMM!!!!!!
The signing of Lake Tomlinson to a 1-year deal has been both telegraphed for quite some time and doesn't change much if anything about the draft. The Seahawks have done a good job of getting some guys signed that will allow them to select whoever they feel is best in the draft.
But make no mistake about it, this is another stop-gap 1 year FA signing.
The arguments to give rookies a shot needs to be done both ways. Wouldn't drafting Jared Verse be no different than drafting a guard, for example? When is Derek Hall going to get his shot? And Derek Hall/Boye Mafe are second round picks ... while Bradford is 4th and Olu is a 5th round pick.
Overall, the Hawks had two major issues after 2023: Defense and Offensive Line.
It would be very hard to make the case that the offensive line has gotten better this offseason. Going from Damien Lewis who is market worth is $13M/yr to Laken Tomlinson who is $4M/yr is not exactly inspiring as just one example.
Overall, if this version of the Hawks line takes the field my sentiment will be "let's just not mess up guys", whereas when, for example, the Eagles or Lions take the field, it will be "lets enforce our will on this game and dominate both run and pass".
But, I agree that they will go best player available and not just grab a lineman in the first round.
The problem with the OL is several-fold. Our best player (Lucas) is hurt, and his prospects for true recovery are hazy. Our second best player (Cross) is not as good as he should be for where he was drafted. I've watched Troy Fautanu for years now with Washington, and I'd swap him right now for Cross in a New York minute. His mental make-up and drive alone make his eventual ceiling higher than Cross's ceiling, and I mean at tackle. At guard, I'd also take him over Williamson, and that includes next year. The dude competes his butt off, with plenty of skill. We can't seem to find a center we like, either. Would love to see a player who is quick enough to pull and strong enough to anchor, consistently. Maybe Olu can be that guy., and Bradford might pan out at RG, we'll see. But overall, between injury and skill issues, we just aren't good enough. The guys we signed this offseason are not going to fix that in the longer term, and are also unlikely to do so in the short term. They can make us serviceable, but that's about it.
I believe and hope that Schneider will draft the best defensive player available with whatever his first pick happens to be. He didn’t hire Mike Macdonald to straighten out the OL; MMs absolute top priority is turn around a bad defense. Even given his reputation of getting the best out of players, the Seattle D isn’t so deep in talent that it can’t benefit from an upgrade in just about every position group.