It is frankly remarkable - and the reason why JS should win Exec of the Year by a landslide - that the Seahawks’ roster started the offseason with more holes than a pothead’s blanket and now we talking about being in a position to go BPA if we wanted.
A long way to go, but the Hawks will be clover if The Saints can improve whilst the Broncos tailspin - as Joe points out, Philly holds the Saints 1st pick and they will surely go Will Anderson if they have the chance. If we can’t have him, then I’d be happy with 1st WR overall, or 2nd Edge if the value is actually there with the pick. I’d be happy to trade the native pick if it ends up 20+, as I’ll take the counsel of Rob Staton on his view that their isn’t any value to be had at the bottom of the 1st round - we traditionally haven’t done well/got lucky picking down there either.
Watched Taylen Green at Boise State tonight. 6'6 and the kid is FAST. Best passing game since taking over. Still just a freshman should be one to watch in the future like Grayson. But then I happened on UNC and I'm not sure how I missed it but Drake May is a quiet ASSASIN. One is a true freshman, the other a Redshirt but both of them look to be something to watch. May should be in the Heisman watch. He destroyed Slovis head to head and it wasnt even close. He made everything look easy tonight against Pitt. The 2025 QB class will have them both as Juniors. If May keeps it up he will be in the draft after next season.
I love the Golden Tate comp for Dee Eskridge, both developmentally and physically. I think there is still hope for him to become a legitimate contributor. He and Trey Brown are the two biggest question marks on the team for me still, and it would be awesome to see them both reach their potential. But, you can't have too many WRs or pash rushers, so draft 'em early and draft 'em late and hope you get lucky.
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I think Seaside Joe has made a very good argument to trade for Jerry Jeudy in Denver's upcoming fire sale. He's big, young, fast, and accomplished. That sounds like a low first round pick to me. Go Jags!!
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It is ever-so-cool to be a 12...we definitely have the coach of the year - proof? 13 of 22 new starters this year for a 59% turn-over. Eight of them were new to the team. Against the Chargers, RG Gabe Jackson was out so we fielded only 1/5th of the O-line from last year and we Still ran it up and down, back and forth on them.
Plus, this coming draft is a bad one for OT's - good job doubling up in this last one. Starting 2022 with potential for RB issues, they handled that nicely. DB's not creating turnovers? - Yep, covered that too! We have yet to see what the annual late-round physical-freak (Dareke Young) can do. Maybe this game.
Not only did they kill this last draft, JS/PC extended DK. Re-signed Geno Smith & Al Woods. Signed several others who all seem to fit in their roles.
Most importantly, they did Not screw the QB situation up by doing what others were expecting. No high-priced, older signal caller (None really have worked for those teams who did) and we did not waste anything to draft marginal QB talent.
We actually had to do those three things right to be in our QB situation, Geno looks a LOT better than last season so we have seen what an off-season/training camp of coaching-up and bringing his talent to the surface looks like.
Trading Russell Wilson took some 'stones'...it ended up being a grand-slam but Everything else they did were singles, doubles, triples or home runs too. No real 'outs' and anything this off-season. Thus I trust the moves made for 2023 will be kick azz as well. As for WR, 'they got this'...
I know the scouting department is working hard so I don't need to be concerned about that.
This team has put themselves in a nice position of the best players available. Geno and Drew's abilities allow the Seahawks do the exact same thing in the draft:
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I've got to see what his various times are, and be assured that he has elite hands before I would consider Quentin Johnston as our first pick in this draft, but maybe.
I'm a BPA (best player available) with attention to needs, but not too much attention. Not as much attention as blinded us to the limitations of LJ Collier. Allow the draft to come to us. Who are the field tilters? Who are the interior offensive linemen and defensive linemen who will become future stars? We don't really have a weak link right now, but every single position needs depth and future replacements.
Edit: "wink link" to weak link. Whoa. Wink link? How embarrassing.
As Joe says, a little bad luck can change things quickly. If Geno breaks his leg in the last game of the season it obviously elevates QB as a draft need. If Metcalf re-injures his neck, if K9 blows out his knee, if Nwosu breaks his foot... on and on. My point is that we're not blessed with great depth which means that a bad break could force our draft strategy. Otherwise we'll be free to take the best player available at the most valuable positions. There are six defensive tackles and edge rushers currently ranked in the top 15 by most services 3 more in the first round. Quentin Johnston, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Jordan Addison, and Kayshon Boutte are the only recievers consistently give a first round grade but which of them deserve to be in the top 15 varies wildly. The top three QBs and top six defensive line/edge guys are pretty consistent. I'm still leaning toward defense for our top pick and if one of those four WRs drops to our second pick then that seems like a good value. However, if we lucked into Jalen Carter and top 15 edge was available with our second pick, I think that would have a larger impact and be less available in subsequent rounds than WR.
Thank you, Kenneth. I'm laying out the following for my own sake, so forgive me if this is too rudimentary:
1. Receivers have increased in importance over the last decade of the NFL, and no team can get by with (ahem) pedestrian players at the position.
2. The number of receivers in a typical offensive set has increased over the last several decades, with three and four-WR sets common.
3. Receivers are subject (like running backs) to serious injuries.
4. The receiving position typically takes a lot of time to develop, with some players notably "getting it" just as their rookie contracts expire.
5. Highly-drafted receivers, and middling-drafted receivers, have erratic "hit rates" as draft successes.
All of this combined makes the issue of receiving a difficult problem for any front office. Even if 1 and 2 above are slightly less applicable to Seattle (and that's very debatable), 3, 4, and 5 apply to the Seahawks just as with any other team. An added problem with Seattle is that the offense seems to function at its best when a lot of players get touches in the pass game. This seemed to be true with Russ as well as with Geno.
I guess I'd be inclined to take a great prospect early, but we do have to be cognizant that he might not become Julio Jones. He might become Koren Robinson. Or maybe Peter Warrick (remember him?)
I wonder if the above facts might suggest that the team should consider (shudder) trading down to acquire more picks, and grab more players in the mid-round area. More Dareke Youngs, in other words (Darrell Jackson was not highly drafted either--and yes I know hit rates will drop the later one drafts no matter the position). Or that the team should pick up players in free agency whom they think could be WR2s but have only been WR3 or WR4 in a deep offense and thus won't break the bank.
There's no easy solution, in other words. A high pick on WR would be wonderful if it works, or create another load of vitriol if it doesn't.
I could see pushing a first round pick to 2024 (mainly for cap reasons) but Denver's 1 is going to be very tasty to have. The Seahawks' needs as it stands right now: DT, Edge, WR, G, possibly C (Blythe has been playing very well), and QB (but clearly less urgent with Geno! playing as well as he has). A G/C can be taken on Day 3 so would the Seahawks double dip on one of the other four positions? Or just trade down, or convert a pick to 2024? It is nice to have choices with so much draft capital!
Let us see the 'Hawks dance like this today!
https://www.facebook.com/SavageSportsMMZ/videos/707393177507077
It is frankly remarkable - and the reason why JS should win Exec of the Year by a landslide - that the Seahawks’ roster started the offseason with more holes than a pothead’s blanket and now we talking about being in a position to go BPA if we wanted.
A long way to go, but the Hawks will be clover if The Saints can improve whilst the Broncos tailspin - as Joe points out, Philly holds the Saints 1st pick and they will surely go Will Anderson if they have the chance. If we can’t have him, then I’d be happy with 1st WR overall, or 2nd Edge if the value is actually there with the pick. I’d be happy to trade the native pick if it ends up 20+, as I’ll take the counsel of Rob Staton on his view that their isn’t any value to be had at the bottom of the 1st round - we traditionally haven’t done well/got lucky picking down there either.
Watched Taylen Green at Boise State tonight. 6'6 and the kid is FAST. Best passing game since taking over. Still just a freshman should be one to watch in the future like Grayson. But then I happened on UNC and I'm not sure how I missed it but Drake May is a quiet ASSASIN. One is a true freshman, the other a Redshirt but both of them look to be something to watch. May should be in the Heisman watch. He destroyed Slovis head to head and it wasnt even close. He made everything look easy tonight against Pitt. The 2025 QB class will have them both as Juniors. If May keeps it up he will be in the draft after next season.
I love the Golden Tate comp for Dee Eskridge, both developmentally and physically. I think there is still hope for him to become a legitimate contributor. He and Trey Brown are the two biggest question marks on the team for me still, and it would be awesome to see them both reach their potential. But, you can't have too many WRs or pash rushers, so draft 'em early and draft 'em late and hope you get lucky.
I think Seaside Joe has made a very good argument to trade for Jerry Jeudy in Denver's upcoming fire sale. He's big, young, fast, and accomplished. That sounds like a low first round pick to me. Go Jags!!
It is ever-so-cool to be a 12...we definitely have the coach of the year - proof? 13 of 22 new starters this year for a 59% turn-over. Eight of them were new to the team. Against the Chargers, RG Gabe Jackson was out so we fielded only 1/5th of the O-line from last year and we Still ran it up and down, back and forth on them.
Plus, this coming draft is a bad one for OT's - good job doubling up in this last one. Starting 2022 with potential for RB issues, they handled that nicely. DB's not creating turnovers? - Yep, covered that too! We have yet to see what the annual late-round physical-freak (Dareke Young) can do. Maybe this game.
Not only did they kill this last draft, JS/PC extended DK. Re-signed Geno Smith & Al Woods. Signed several others who all seem to fit in their roles.
Most importantly, they did Not screw the QB situation up by doing what others were expecting. No high-priced, older signal caller (None really have worked for those teams who did) and we did not waste anything to draft marginal QB talent.
We actually had to do those three things right to be in our QB situation, Geno looks a LOT better than last season so we have seen what an off-season/training camp of coaching-up and bringing his talent to the surface looks like.
Trading Russell Wilson took some 'stones'...it ended up being a grand-slam but Everything else they did were singles, doubles, triples or home runs too. No real 'outs' and anything this off-season. Thus I trust the moves made for 2023 will be kick azz as well. As for WR, 'they got this'...
I know the scouting department is working hard so I don't need to be concerned about that.
This team has put themselves in a nice position of the best players available. Geno and Drew's abilities allow the Seahawks do the exact same thing in the draft:
Don't get cute, draft your needs.
I've got to see what his various times are, and be assured that he has elite hands before I would consider Quentin Johnston as our first pick in this draft, but maybe.
I'm a BPA (best player available) with attention to needs, but not too much attention. Not as much attention as blinded us to the limitations of LJ Collier. Allow the draft to come to us. Who are the field tilters? Who are the interior offensive linemen and defensive linemen who will become future stars? We don't really have a weak link right now, but every single position needs depth and future replacements.
Edit: "wink link" to weak link. Whoa. Wink link? How embarrassing.
Not related but what on Earth is Sam Howard doing to Oklahoma?!!
As Joe says, a little bad luck can change things quickly. If Geno breaks his leg in the last game of the season it obviously elevates QB as a draft need. If Metcalf re-injures his neck, if K9 blows out his knee, if Nwosu breaks his foot... on and on. My point is that we're not blessed with great depth which means that a bad break could force our draft strategy. Otherwise we'll be free to take the best player available at the most valuable positions. There are six defensive tackles and edge rushers currently ranked in the top 15 by most services 3 more in the first round. Quentin Johnston, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Jordan Addison, and Kayshon Boutte are the only recievers consistently give a first round grade but which of them deserve to be in the top 15 varies wildly. The top three QBs and top six defensive line/edge guys are pretty consistent. I'm still leaning toward defense for our top pick and if one of those four WRs drops to our second pick then that seems like a good value. However, if we lucked into Jalen Carter and top 15 edge was available with our second pick, I think that would have a larger impact and be less available in subsequent rounds than WR.
Thank you, Kenneth. I'm laying out the following for my own sake, so forgive me if this is too rudimentary:
1. Receivers have increased in importance over the last decade of the NFL, and no team can get by with (ahem) pedestrian players at the position.
2. The number of receivers in a typical offensive set has increased over the last several decades, with three and four-WR sets common.
3. Receivers are subject (like running backs) to serious injuries.
4. The receiving position typically takes a lot of time to develop, with some players notably "getting it" just as their rookie contracts expire.
5. Highly-drafted receivers, and middling-drafted receivers, have erratic "hit rates" as draft successes.
All of this combined makes the issue of receiving a difficult problem for any front office. Even if 1 and 2 above are slightly less applicable to Seattle (and that's very debatable), 3, 4, and 5 apply to the Seahawks just as with any other team. An added problem with Seattle is that the offense seems to function at its best when a lot of players get touches in the pass game. This seemed to be true with Russ as well as with Geno.
I guess I'd be inclined to take a great prospect early, but we do have to be cognizant that he might not become Julio Jones. He might become Koren Robinson. Or maybe Peter Warrick (remember him?)
I wonder if the above facts might suggest that the team should consider (shudder) trading down to acquire more picks, and grab more players in the mid-round area. More Dareke Youngs, in other words (Darrell Jackson was not highly drafted either--and yes I know hit rates will drop the later one drafts no matter the position). Or that the team should pick up players in free agency whom they think could be WR2s but have only been WR3 or WR4 in a deep offense and thus won't break the bank.
There's no easy solution, in other words. A high pick on WR would be wonderful if it works, or create another load of vitriol if it doesn't.
I could see pushing a first round pick to 2024 (mainly for cap reasons) but Denver's 1 is going to be very tasty to have. The Seahawks' needs as it stands right now: DT, Edge, WR, G, possibly C (Blythe has been playing very well), and QB (but clearly less urgent with Geno! playing as well as he has). A G/C can be taken on Day 3 so would the Seahawks double dip on one of the other four positions? Or just trade down, or convert a pick to 2024? It is nice to have choices with so much draft capital!