It was a garbage effort all around from the jump and is inexcusable for a team that claims to be a contender. They are clearly 1 or 2 years away from being a contender and that's if they bring in better players. Sam Howell looked completely unprepared to play, like he doesn't pay any attention to anything in the QB room because he didn't think he'd play. Maybe with a full week of preparation he'd be better, and well, he better be because that looked like an ACL or PCL to me. SSJ is completely right, they threw away a ton of money this year on guys that were pretty much worthless. That needs to be fixed as much as anything else on the team.
Did anyone play well in that game? The defense got run over. The offense arguably was worse. Special teams, well, at least they didn't fumble. It was all around bad play and deserves to be called out. Sounds like you think everything needs to be rainbows and unicorns or "you don't read it".
We'll see a better home atmosphere next year as more and more casual fans get on board with the MM regime. Winning gets fans in seats, and playing hardcore D geta fans screaming! Two elements well on the rise again.
It was hard man. I tried and often could drown out those Packer fans around me, but Hawks, Geno, didn’t give me a lot to work with. But I did drown them out at times.
It was. I hadn’t experienced that much in basically a couple decades. Even Raider fans were not that loud. But from my observations they were good and fun people. Football fans.
Back to reality against a legit playoff team. Bills, Lions, now Packers matchups shows we're still many pieces away from being able to make some noise in January. Damn you Josh Jacobs.
Jacob’s wasn’t the reason. Under 4.0. Stopped some screens that in years past would have been killer. Main in my opinion was offense not answering. Not getting first downs
Either we started flat as a pancake or we don't have the overall talent GB has. Or both. Did not belong on the same field as these guys. We may have been reading our clippings too much, as well.
The only redeeming feature of this game was that my view of the field was regularly blocked by a cheesehead hat, very common in my section, which is in the charter seats...
Howell may be an ok back if give some 1st team snaps
Seahawks had what, 2 or maybe a couple snaps under center and all were successful plays. So why does Grubb insist on shotgun plays? This is NOT COLLEGE FOOTBALL Mr. Grubb
I thought we had tackling figured out. Back to the drawing board.
We Must establish a run game. Coaches, figure the damn game out.
We have talent in our receivers so figure out how to get them the ball. This is basic football.
I have been a season ticket holder for a long time. Until this year I have ALWAYS stayed to the bitter end. Not this year. We have now left twice at half time because the seahawks have been such an embarrassment.
Yes they need to get their Shit together, But I see allot of this as simply (1st halfD anyway) as getting out thought/coached! But leaving that early???? They will get better as everyone, players and coaches alike continue to learn and grow together. I am thinking they need a top NFL o-line coach, I am seeing some building blocks here and it takes time with the O-line, BUT there is no consistency on scheme from week to week as it appears. What I need to do is watch the All-22 film to get a better look and feel.
I was pleased with the second half of the game. The defense bounced back and that is really what we need to see. Is our run D good? It sure looks like it to me - which is huge when you look at playoff teams in NFC.
The funny thing about this game, other than it being on prime time, it is unlikely to be an important game. I have already seen a lot of bluster around Seahawks land about how big this game is … I just don’t see that at all. We are on a collision course for week 18.
If we beat the rams in LA to win the division will anyone remember or care about tonight?
The packers lost last year to the lowly Giants in week 14. Did anyone care when they had the lead against the Niners in the playoffs as a 9 win team?
I am really hoping Geno will be ok. I am hopeful for Howell but the reality is that he is likely significantly worse.
Also, Geno is one of the best QBs against the blitz. Vikings love to blitz. I really want to see that chess match (and Howell is really bad against pressure)
Please Geno, get healthy
Onward! Keep stacking and stay the course. One half of football does not define this team or season!
I keep reminding myself I had the team pegged at 9-8 when the season started, for the exact reasons you mention. Didn’t know those initial LB’s were going to be such a liability, and of course I was delighted every time it looked like Seattle was picking up steam, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if we end up there.
Boy it's almost like this year wasn't/isn't about making the playoffs. But is instead the first year of a new regime and a genuine rebuild (not a re-tool, still a bullsh*t term).
We got beat pretty good by a team about two years ahead of us in the plan, and who's going to be an annoying playoff matchup for anyone.
But I still think overall our performance wasn't that far off the recent few weeks. Defence and Offence need work, but I still see plenty of positive signs from some of the younger players. And Defence I'm liking the scheme looks more each week as they continue to develop.
Stick with the plans. Keep trying out ideas. Keep trying out players. And pray Grubb does have a long term plan for the offence.
The “value” signings plan for free agency is a failure. There’s no getting around that. Personally, I’d rather have Dre’Mont Jones—who is hardly a liability—than Rayshawn Jenkins, Nick Harris, Pharoah Brown, Tyrell Dodson, Jerome Baker, and Laviska Shenault. This death by a thousand cuts is killing them.
There is a lot to learn from a loss. For people who think that Pete would have or could have done a better job with this squad, remember many, many, many times when his teams didn't seem capable of making halftime adjustments. McDonald is at least more dynamic in that department. He cannot play center, or QB, etc. Seattle is thin or deficient or flawed in many more ways than Green Bay. Look: Their secondary isn't good. But their front seven IS, and Seattle's offensive line needs a lot of scheming because the basic talent level is weak. Replace the second starting center of the season with the third-string center and bad things happen...
Only watched the first half of the game. Not disappointed at all. Thought we'd play better on both sides of the ball, but you can't learn playing teams not as good as you are. It was a great measuring stick game, and the coaches and players need to respond next week. I'll be more concerned if we don't play a better game next week, although without Geno, that will be made more difficulty.
O-lines one game anomaly from last week clearly didn't carry over to this week, and now with Olu out, things will be even more challenging. It didn't help that we were playing from behind and then without Geno.
Went to bed listening to another bloody draft podcast (weird way to unwind, but it works). By their ratings, as of now, there are maybe 2 QBs worth picking, but not in the top ten. Everybody else is a reach. Thin at WR, just a handful at the top, same with OTs. Not sure that's consensus, but the QBs definitely seem weak this year. So, again, when we talk about replacing Geno...Howell? Really? Don't seem to be good free agent options. Not a good year to be needing what we need. But I totally agree with cleaning out the dead (contractual) wood.
Cam Ward and ideally Sanders going to Raiders to continue their eons long failures, likely top 2 picks in draft. Other than that, not great QBs but there are a couple guys later that would be good to draft.
Geno would have to have led a TD drive already to lead “another one”. I hope he is ok but whatever GB was showing on the field was confusing Geno completely—maybe the difference between 10 days to prepare vs 7. The red zone INT is definitely regression to his mean performance though—he is what he is.
I won’t judge Howell based on coming in cold. If Geno is out for an extended period let’s see how he performs with more prep time.
I watch other games and wish we had several of the players I see on those teams. Then I wonder if anyone watches the Seahawks and wishes they had one of our players for their team. If they do, who do they want? I know of a few I would hate to lose if they don't get a winning season they can be excited about.
If you watched any of the Cardinals blasting the Pats yesterday you can come away thinking that Seattle is still a better team than the Cards. But... Geno, warts and all, is surely better than Howell, who looked entirely lost. Even if Geno should've never thrown the ball into the endzone, Geno doesn't throw the pic that Howell threw.
Presuming that Geno is out, possibly for the season, there's no way you put Howell in the same scheme. The guy needs the field divided and he needs to be on the move instantly. He's not Geno, but he can play decently.
Still, what's your hope here if Geno is done for the season? You want to learn from the puzzle pieces. You want to learn what you have in Howell. And maybe you want to lose out, even though that stings, so that you have more draft capital. This off-season begs for a retool, as SSJ makes painfully clear, and at least what we've seen so far, the organization is moving with McDonald and what he wants, not against him and that's really key. He's junked what hasn't worked. I think we'll see many new faces next year, with a team in his image, not part Pete, part McDonald.
I think you’re wrong on Metcalf, he makes it easier for JSN. But a good trade could get a good draft pick for college receiver. I also always ask myself the same question? Can you win a Super Bowl with Geno? I don’t believe you can, he makes great throws, but holds onto the ball to long and makes turnovers in the red zone. Just my two cents
It was a garbage effort all around from the jump and is inexcusable for a team that claims to be a contender. They are clearly 1 or 2 years away from being a contender and that's if they bring in better players. Sam Howell looked completely unprepared to play, like he doesn't pay any attention to anything in the QB room because he didn't think he'd play. Maybe with a full week of preparation he'd be better, and well, he better be because that looked like an ACL or PCL to me. SSJ is completely right, they threw away a ton of money this year on guys that were pretty much worthless. That needs to be fixed as much as anything else on the team.
When you start off with a “garbage effort all around” everyone including me steps reading
Did anyone play well in that game? The defense got run over. The offense arguably was worse. Special teams, well, at least they didn't fumble. It was all around bad play and deserves to be called out. Sounds like you think everything needs to be rainbows and unicorns or "you don't read it".
Return game was decent so, no, it was all around….
I felt sad and angry to repeatedly hear “Go Pack Go” throughout the telecast. There is no longer any home field advantage for the Seahawks.
We'll see a better home atmosphere next year as more and more casual fans get on board with the MM regime. Winning gets fans in seats, and playing hardcore D geta fans screaming! Two elements well on the rise again.
It was hard man. I tried and often could drown out those Packer fans around me, but Hawks, Geno, didn’t give me a lot to work with. But I did drown them out at times.
It was crazy how much it seemed like a neutral site game... So much representation from the Pack.
It was. I hadn’t experienced that much in basically a couple decades. Even Raider fans were not that loud. But from my observations they were good and fun people. Football fans.
Back to reality against a legit playoff team. Bills, Lions, now Packers matchups shows we're still many pieces away from being able to make some noise in January. Damn you Josh Jacobs.
Lions don't seem to have a defense at all. Hell of an offense though.
I think their D is all on IR at this point.
Jacob’s wasn’t the reason. Under 4.0. Stopped some screens that in years past would have been killer. Main in my opinion was offense not answering. Not getting first downs
Either we started flat as a pancake or we don't have the overall talent GB has. Or both. Did not belong on the same field as these guys. We may have been reading our clippings too much, as well.
The only redeeming feature of this game was that my view of the field was regularly blocked by a cheesehead hat, very common in my section, which is in the charter seats...
Some simple observations
Geno has to go.
Howell may be an ok back if give some 1st team snaps
Seahawks had what, 2 or maybe a couple snaps under center and all were successful plays. So why does Grubb insist on shotgun plays? This is NOT COLLEGE FOOTBALL Mr. Grubb
I thought we had tackling figured out. Back to the drawing board.
We Must establish a run game. Coaches, figure the damn game out.
We have talent in our receivers so figure out how to get them the ball. This is basic football.
I have been a season ticket holder for a long time. Until this year I have ALWAYS stayed to the bitter end. Not this year. We have now left twice at half time because the seahawks have been such an embarrassment.
Get your shit together mgt coaches and players
Yes they need to get their Shit together, But I see allot of this as simply (1st halfD anyway) as getting out thought/coached! But leaving that early???? They will get better as everyone, players and coaches alike continue to learn and grow together. I am thinking they need a top NFL o-line coach, I am seeing some building blocks here and it takes time with the O-line, BUT there is no consistency on scheme from week to week as it appears. What I need to do is watch the All-22 film to get a better look and feel.
I was pleased with the second half of the game. The defense bounced back and that is really what we need to see. Is our run D good? It sure looks like it to me - which is huge when you look at playoff teams in NFC.
The funny thing about this game, other than it being on prime time, it is unlikely to be an important game. I have already seen a lot of bluster around Seahawks land about how big this game is … I just don’t see that at all. We are on a collision course for week 18.
If we beat the rams in LA to win the division will anyone remember or care about tonight?
The packers lost last year to the lowly Giants in week 14. Did anyone care when they had the lead against the Niners in the playoffs as a 9 win team?
I am really hoping Geno will be ok. I am hopeful for Howell but the reality is that he is likely significantly worse.
Also, Geno is one of the best QBs against the blitz. Vikings love to blitz. I really want to see that chess match (and Howell is really bad against pressure)
Please Geno, get healthy
Onward! Keep stacking and stay the course. One half of football does not define this team or season!
Go hawks
Might be mistaken here about the importance of the game. These playoff scenarios are very confusing.
If the rams win the next two and we win 1 out of 2 then we are likely out no matter the outcome of week 18. Due to strength of wins.
Need a big bounce back this week!
Packers are an impressive organization and do many things right.
All drafted by the packers:
LT: 2022 round 7
LG: 2019 rnd pick 44, extended for $17M/yr
C: 2021 rnd 2 pick 62
RG: 2022 rnd 3 pick 92
RT: 2022 rnd 4 pick 140
Wow … that is very impressive.
I keep reminding myself I had the team pegged at 9-8 when the season started, for the exact reasons you mention. Didn’t know those initial LB’s were going to be such a liability, and of course I was delighted every time it looked like Seattle was picking up steam, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if we end up there.
Boy it's almost like this year wasn't/isn't about making the playoffs. But is instead the first year of a new regime and a genuine rebuild (not a re-tool, still a bullsh*t term).
We got beat pretty good by a team about two years ahead of us in the plan, and who's going to be an annoying playoff matchup for anyone.
But I still think overall our performance wasn't that far off the recent few weeks. Defence and Offence need work, but I still see plenty of positive signs from some of the younger players. And Defence I'm liking the scheme looks more each week as they continue to develop.
Stick with the plans. Keep trying out ideas. Keep trying out players. And pray Grubb does have a long term plan for the offence.
The “value” signings plan for free agency is a failure. There’s no getting around that. Personally, I’d rather have Dre’Mont Jones—who is hardly a liability—than Rayshawn Jenkins, Nick Harris, Pharoah Brown, Tyrell Dodson, Jerome Baker, and Laviska Shenault. This death by a thousand cuts is killing them.
Jones can go too, IMHO-
Stay or go, I’d rather have two years of Jones than the value dreck that Schneider is obsessed with.
There is a lot to learn from a loss. For people who think that Pete would have or could have done a better job with this squad, remember many, many, many times when his teams didn't seem capable of making halftime adjustments. McDonald is at least more dynamic in that department. He cannot play center, or QB, etc. Seattle is thin or deficient or flawed in many more ways than Green Bay. Look: Their secondary isn't good. But their front seven IS, and Seattle's offensive line needs a lot of scheming because the basic talent level is weak. Replace the second starting center of the season with the third-string center and bad things happen...
Only watched the first half of the game. Not disappointed at all. Thought we'd play better on both sides of the ball, but you can't learn playing teams not as good as you are. It was a great measuring stick game, and the coaches and players need to respond next week. I'll be more concerned if we don't play a better game next week, although without Geno, that will be made more difficulty.
O-lines one game anomaly from last week clearly didn't carry over to this week, and now with Olu out, things will be even more challenging. It didn't help that we were playing from behind and then without Geno.
Went to bed listening to another bloody draft podcast (weird way to unwind, but it works). By their ratings, as of now, there are maybe 2 QBs worth picking, but not in the top ten. Everybody else is a reach. Thin at WR, just a handful at the top, same with OTs. Not sure that's consensus, but the QBs definitely seem weak this year. So, again, when we talk about replacing Geno...Howell? Really? Don't seem to be good free agent options. Not a good year to be needing what we need. But I totally agree with cleaning out the dead (contractual) wood.
Cam Ward and ideally Sanders going to Raiders to continue their eons long failures, likely top 2 picks in draft. Other than that, not great QBs but there are a couple guys later that would be good to draft.
Pretenders, not contenders, this year.
Geno would have to have led a TD drive already to lead “another one”. I hope he is ok but whatever GB was showing on the field was confusing Geno completely—maybe the difference between 10 days to prepare vs 7. The red zone INT is definitely regression to his mean performance though—he is what he is.
I won’t judge Howell based on coming in cold. If Geno is out for an extended period let’s see how he performs with more prep time.
Again Doug, I agree with you 100%
Yup,I agree with your assessment SJ. The Packers are a better team right now. It was a sad game for the most part but, now we know.
I watch other games and wish we had several of the players I see on those teams. Then I wonder if anyone watches the Seahawks and wishes they had one of our players for their team. If they do, who do they want? I know of a few I would hate to lose if they don't get a winning season they can be excited about.
If you watched any of the Cardinals blasting the Pats yesterday you can come away thinking that Seattle is still a better team than the Cards. But... Geno, warts and all, is surely better than Howell, who looked entirely lost. Even if Geno should've never thrown the ball into the endzone, Geno doesn't throw the pic that Howell threw.
Presuming that Geno is out, possibly for the season, there's no way you put Howell in the same scheme. The guy needs the field divided and he needs to be on the move instantly. He's not Geno, but he can play decently.
Still, what's your hope here if Geno is done for the season? You want to learn from the puzzle pieces. You want to learn what you have in Howell. And maybe you want to lose out, even though that stings, so that you have more draft capital. This off-season begs for a retool, as SSJ makes painfully clear, and at least what we've seen so far, the organization is moving with McDonald and what he wants, not against him and that's really key. He's junked what hasn't worked. I think we'll see many new faces next year, with a team in his image, not part Pete, part McDonald.
I think you’re wrong on Metcalf, he makes it easier for JSN. But a good trade could get a good draft pick for college receiver. I also always ask myself the same question? Can you win a Super Bowl with Geno? I don’t believe you can, he makes great throws, but holds onto the ball to long and makes turnovers in the red zone. Just my two cents