By far Pete Carroll. I loved Russ let's see if he can use the middle of the field. No knock but defenses did leave that "NFL" open" You know Geno could be the QB who knows
"preaching positive messages to players and fans, while staying out of the headlines entirely for character damaging reasons." This alone is more than enough. Gratitude, Pete.
With you on this 100%, Kenneth. I love watching Pete's enthusiasm, his approach of helping players succeed rather than just yelling at them, and his commitment to improve the society in which his players live. Pete is a big part of the entertainment the Hawks provide and I will miss him when he's no longer coach.
PCJS 100% deserve to lead this rebuild. They’re 1-1 in rebuilds thus far. First one being an all-time great team, (from the ashes of what many considered the worst roster in the NFL at the time). Team building hasn’t been as strong since, but they’ve got more resources than ever, let’s see how they do.
Thank you Kenneth! You have succinctly put into the words the annoyance and sheer exhaustion of listening to that cabal of fans who cannot credit Pete and John with doing anything positive since 2014, joyfully wheeling out the same morose mantra that the Hawks will continue to be a dysfunctional basement-dweller until they are got rid of. Yes mistakes have been made - they got away from the core philosophy when they made Russ the highest paid NFL player ever, drafting has sometimes been been average and some big trades have gone awry - but they deserve their shot to redo the magic of 2012.
Hoping you can somehow keep this standard up - it’s exceptional in my book.
Well phrased. Loved Russ, but also happy with moving on. If Pete and John haven't earned the right to do this, who has? Shoot, Belichick hasn't won a SB without Brady and when he constantly lets veterans walk everyone talks about how wise he is. If anyone has ever studied Pete or read his book, he has to stay true to himself because at previous stops he was undermined and he didn't really understand who he was. I'm happy to see what happens. If it doesn't work, so be it. But I'm not going to root against it, and be a miserable SOB like so many are. People get spoiled really quick.
Well put, nice to hear someone in the media noting that Pete has like everyone, made choices that turn out to be positive or negative, but generally errs to the positive. All of us questioning his choices would be lucky to say the same. And it's really important to remember that all these choices have far-reaching ramifications in all aspects of the team, and it's not as simple as people seem to imply. I will say it was nice to see him so genuinely excited!
Well, all aboard for the issue of sainthood to Pete Carroll. Reality check. He's one man, with a staff, and a G.M.--- no different than any other head coach.
We were blanked on offense in the second half of 2020 because Russell couldn't adapt, not because of play calling and Russ was just plain bad last year regardless of the reason. You act like it's a coincidence that Pete has spent the last twenty years as one of the winningest coaches at the highest levels of football. Had Russ not gotten a big head and been unable to adapt we might have achieved greater heights.
Pete had a ten year run at the top of the college ranks. If you read about Pete's history you'll find that he credits his success to learning from his past and making a sigificant change to his coaching style that conicided to his success at USC. I think Pete's all about being adaptable but every successful coach has a formula. We did play to Russ' strenghts with lots of RPO but teams adapted. The "let Russ cook" era was ended by opposing defenses, not Pete. Pete merely did what was required to stop the turnover carnage. It was Russ who didn't adapt to defenses taking away his long ball. It's obvious Russ is a great talent but I truly believe his obsession with his legacy has destroyed one of his greatest strengths which was coachability. I think is funny how fans have trashed Pete's insistence on running the ball but when you survey the league that's what every good team is doing. GB, Rams, SF, Tampa Bay, Tenessee, Buffalo, Cincy, and even KC all have significant running games.
You make some good points, but one thing that sticks out was on Bellicheck’s run first approach to the week 13 Bills game, and the statement that Carroll would never do anything like that.
Bellicheck could do that because his QB is the malleable rookie Mac Jones (and before him, a malleable Brady). Carroll however would’ve had future HoF QB and (near) highest paid NFL player if all time in Wilson, who he knew was disgruntled and was copywriting ‘let Russ cook’ (I still struggle to believe he did that). I don’t think anyone would really expect Carroll to tell Russ that he would only be throwing three times in a game.
Belichick is absolutely unique in his ability to radically change his game plan from week to week. The vast majority of winning coaches have a style. McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, and Reid all have innovative approaches but it's basically the same plan for their entire tenure. What other successful, defensive minded coach has been willing to make as radical a change as Pete has this offseason? He tried letting Russ cook until it didn't work. Pete introduced fun practices with music blasting, a defensive style the rest of the league copied, and he drafted/started a 5'9" QB and changed the leagues approach to QBs. I think Pete has been extremely inventive and adaptable but you have to be stubborn on the things you believe in. The necessity for a strong running game as been portrayed as stubborn but look what every good team is doing today. The run-and-shoot, spread-it-out, and all pass genre has pretty much died in the NFL. My biggest complaint about Russ' play was his inability to accept/execute the short passing game intregal to any westcoast concept. Russ wants to be the hero every play. Pete's approach is let's just do what it takes to win.
No Kenneth, he hasn’t got you at all. The ‘extra’ game was against the Steelers, as we played eight of our regular schedule games against the NFC North and AFC South. So remove that one that we lost ....we are 7 - 9.
The best quarterback in the NFL will be middle of the road without an OL. This is one of your best.
Thank you!
By far Pete Carroll. I loved Russ let's see if he can use the middle of the field. No knock but defenses did leave that "NFL" open" You know Geno could be the QB who knows
He might be!
"preaching positive messages to players and fans, while staying out of the headlines entirely for character damaging reasons." This alone is more than enough. Gratitude, Pete.
With you on this 100%, Kenneth. I love watching Pete's enthusiasm, his approach of helping players succeed rather than just yelling at them, and his commitment to improve the society in which his players live. Pete is a big part of the entertainment the Hawks provide and I will miss him when he's no longer coach.
PCJS 100% deserve to lead this rebuild. They’re 1-1 in rebuilds thus far. First one being an all-time great team, (from the ashes of what many considered the worst roster in the NFL at the time). Team building hasn’t been as strong since, but they’ve got more resources than ever, let’s see how they do.
Thank you Kenneth! You have succinctly put into the words the annoyance and sheer exhaustion of listening to that cabal of fans who cannot credit Pete and John with doing anything positive since 2014, joyfully wheeling out the same morose mantra that the Hawks will continue to be a dysfunctional basement-dweller until they are got rid of. Yes mistakes have been made - they got away from the core philosophy when they made Russ the highest paid NFL player ever, drafting has sometimes been been average and some big trades have gone awry - but they deserve their shot to redo the magic of 2012.
Hoping you can somehow keep this standard up - it’s exceptional in my book.
thanks johnny! i hope i can keep it up too!
Well phrased. Loved Russ, but also happy with moving on. If Pete and John haven't earned the right to do this, who has? Shoot, Belichick hasn't won a SB without Brady and when he constantly lets veterans walk everyone talks about how wise he is. If anyone has ever studied Pete or read his book, he has to stay true to himself because at previous stops he was undermined and he didn't really understand who he was. I'm happy to see what happens. If it doesn't work, so be it. But I'm not going to root against it, and be a miserable SOB like so many are. People get spoiled really quick.
Well put, nice to hear someone in the media noting that Pete has like everyone, made choices that turn out to be positive or negative, but generally errs to the positive. All of us questioning his choices would be lucky to say the same. And it's really important to remember that all these choices have far-reaching ramifications in all aspects of the team, and it's not as simple as people seem to imply. I will say it was nice to see him so genuinely excited!
Holy hell, well said!
Well, all aboard for the issue of sainthood to Pete Carroll. Reality check. He's one man, with a staff, and a G.M.--- no different than any other head coach.
We were blanked on offense in the second half of 2020 because Russell couldn't adapt, not because of play calling and Russ was just plain bad last year regardless of the reason. You act like it's a coincidence that Pete has spent the last twenty years as one of the winningest coaches at the highest levels of football. Had Russ not gotten a big head and been unable to adapt we might have achieved greater heights.
Pete had a ten year run at the top of the college ranks. If you read about Pete's history you'll find that he credits his success to learning from his past and making a sigificant change to his coaching style that conicided to his success at USC. I think Pete's all about being adaptable but every successful coach has a formula. We did play to Russ' strenghts with lots of RPO but teams adapted. The "let Russ cook" era was ended by opposing defenses, not Pete. Pete merely did what was required to stop the turnover carnage. It was Russ who didn't adapt to defenses taking away his long ball. It's obvious Russ is a great talent but I truly believe his obsession with his legacy has destroyed one of his greatest strengths which was coachability. I think is funny how fans have trashed Pete's insistence on running the ball but when you survey the league that's what every good team is doing. GB, Rams, SF, Tampa Bay, Tenessee, Buffalo, Cincy, and even KC all have significant running games.
You make some good points, but one thing that sticks out was on Bellicheck’s run first approach to the week 13 Bills game, and the statement that Carroll would never do anything like that.
Bellicheck could do that because his QB is the malleable rookie Mac Jones (and before him, a malleable Brady). Carroll however would’ve had future HoF QB and (near) highest paid NFL player if all time in Wilson, who he knew was disgruntled and was copywriting ‘let Russ cook’ (I still struggle to believe he did that). I don’t think anyone would really expect Carroll to tell Russ that he would only be throwing three times in a game.
Belichick is absolutely unique in his ability to radically change his game plan from week to week. The vast majority of winning coaches have a style. McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, and Reid all have innovative approaches but it's basically the same plan for their entire tenure. What other successful, defensive minded coach has been willing to make as radical a change as Pete has this offseason? He tried letting Russ cook until it didn't work. Pete introduced fun practices with music blasting, a defensive style the rest of the league copied, and he drafted/started a 5'9" QB and changed the leagues approach to QBs. I think Pete has been extremely inventive and adaptable but you have to be stubborn on the things you believe in. The necessity for a strong running game as been portrayed as stubborn but look what every good team is doing today. The run-and-shoot, spread-it-out, and all pass genre has pretty much died in the NFL. My biggest complaint about Russ' play was his inability to accept/execute the short passing game intregal to any westcoast concept. Russ wants to be the hero every play. Pete's approach is let's just do what it takes to win.
Haha, you got me there.
No Kenneth, he hasn’t got you at all. The ‘extra’ game was against the Steelers, as we played eight of our regular schedule games against the NFC North and AFC South. So remove that one that we lost ....we are 7 - 9.
Hey that's true too! ha