Carson, Pocic, and Reed also had second contracts. Barton, Haynes, Metcalf, and Homer are current starters and anytime you can get four starters from a draft, it was a good draft. You also can't ignore that they were drafting low in each round.
The Hawks really hit it out of the park with the 2022 draft. I keep reminding myself there's no guarantee they'll do it again. But imagine if they did! With all that draft capital. Wow.
Ok, here's a pitch for Kenneth. His daily articles are the best value in existence for Hawks fans. It's a ton of content and it's anything but the junk one gets from so many outlets. His analysis is thoughtful and perceptive. I've learned a lot here. Plus the fans who post comments are really knowledgeable too. It's an incredible environment. Mature, which is not something that can often be said of sports sites. No name calling or putdowns. A ton of support and respect for each other. It's not an accident this place has grown 10X since Kenneth got serious about marketing it. I could see it easily doubling, trippling, quintuppling by the start of the playoffs. It's that good!
I get nothing for sharing these thoughts. No special treatment, no discounts (and wouldn't want it to be otherwise). I write because I believe in what Kenneth's put together, consider it a bargain, believe he should be paid fairly for his efforts (which is possible only if a lot of us sign up given the low cost), and would love to see it shared widely because it's a service to those of us who love the Seahawks. It's an honor to be part of this place just as it's an honor to be a Hawks fan.
I hate to be that guy, but I think accuracy counts. Steve Largent was a fourth round pick of the Houston Oilers. He was about to be cut, but was traded to the Seahawks for an 8th round pick, a pick that doesn't even exist anymore.
I have 6 season tickets. Big Seahawk fan! You say you have done this since 2019, you need more subscribers. I had not heard of you before last Spring. You need to get more recognition, maybe morning radio show, incentive to refer friends etc… hope u survive I enjoy some of your articles. Good luck
Thank you very much Erniegehre! I started writing about the Seahawks during the 2011 season, then started Seaside Joe at Mailchimp in 2019, then moved everything over to Substack this past March. That was really the first opportunity for Seaside Joe to be able to be seen by people who weren't subscribed to the newsletter, thanks to Substack being a great platform for people like me.
I expect the Seahawks to trade down for some 2024 draft capital. Why? Because they already have few holes to fill. And before long, they will have tough extensions to consider. Bunching all of the wealth into the 2022/3 drafts sounds great now, but could cause a logjam.
And because today’s draft picks are generally more valuable than tomorrow’s, we can leverage an even better situation, given that 2024 picks could hold more value to JS.
This fits perfectly with a Win Forever philosophy. And they can keep pushing that value forward until the cap and extensions become too heavy. At that point, they can let expensive players walk and cash in those draft picks.
So, don’t expect them to empty their pockets next April. They have a nice savings account that can accumulate interest.
Schneider has never been able to transform the draft capital he accumulates by trading down into actual productive players. The 2016-2017 and 2019 drafts were near franchise wreckers, basically bailed out by the 2022 draft where they stood pat. I can’t see dealing either 2023 #1 unless they *really* don’t like who is available.
2016 added Ifedi, Reed, Vannett, and Jefferson. 2017 netted Griffin, Pocic, Moore, and Carson. 2019 was a good draft that yielded starters Metcalf, Barton, Haynes, and Homer (as the starting 3rd down back). Amadi who was a significant contributor, Blair was derailed by injuries, and Ben Burr-Kirven was a special teams standout. Collier(29th pick) didn't live up to his first round status but only Gary Jennings (4th rd), Christmas (6th rd), and Ursua (7th) failed to make any impact. 2013 and 2014 were bad drafts but they were drafting late and trying to fill an already loaded roster. 2015 was the one where we needed a good draft and they whiffed on their attempts to reload the secondary. Last year they traded the 145th pick to KC for 158 (Smith), 229(Melton), and 233(Young). Smith has been injured, Melton is on the practice squad, and Young on the roster. Schneider's draft hit percentage is about average for the league but his UDFA hits have been better than most. The last time they had this kind of draft pick firepower resulted in Russell Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, and Kam Chancellor.
The way I look at it, amassing 1-3 round picks means that a GM is aiming for a foundational draft.
2016: Ifedi, Reed, Odhiambo, Vannett
2017: Pocic, McDowell, Darboh, Jones, Hill, Griffin
2019: Collier, Metcalf, Blair, Barton
So far, Metcalf is the only second contract with the Hawks.* Metcalf is the only truly outstanding player; Reed and Griffin are solid pros. Otherwise, there’s a lot of mediocrity there as well as some outright busts. The later round picks that worked out are all nice, but they are/were complementary.
2019 may turn out better than it seemed at the beginning of the year, but it sure took a while. No team can consistently rely on late round success to compensate for early round weakness.
Well thoughtout, there will be some consideration in trading down with their natural pick in the first round. I would expect us to make at least 3 out 4 if not all 1st and 2nd round picks. I don't think quarterbacks are going to be the hot comodity, they looked like six months ago. How does that effect our drafting as more non quarterbacks will be off the board. I sure wish I could be at least listening to these conversations.
Wouldn't that be awesome! Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has managed to bug one of their draft rooms. There is a real possibility that Seattle could draft Anderson with the third pick. Texas has all but laid claim to the top pick and they need a QB. The GM, Nick Caserio, is of Patriot lineage so he's used to having Tom Brady, a dominant QB running the show. I think they will take Bryce Young unless someone offers a king's ransom for the first pick. Carolina has suffered through a litany of bad QBs and would be crazy not to pick which ever QB the Texans don't choose. The caveat is that Houston could take Anderson first then grab Levis with the 10th pick. That's risky because the Lions also need a QB and have been connected with Levis and several teams could trade up to grab him. I see four teams that need a franchise QB immediately and another three that would love to get their guy. Seven teams for three QBs could make for some interesting times.
If the Hawks have the fifth pick (1700 value) and don't believe anybody on the board is a must-have they could trade down to the eleventh pick (1250 value) and negotiate for a 2024 first round pick as compensation. The 2024 pick is worth one round lower which is the 11th pick in the second round (480 value). The return on investment based on pick value is almost guaranteed. However, the odds a pick panning out drops precipitiously from the 5th or 11th pick to the twenties. They could use their top ten pick and trade their lower first round pick.
It's also about their perceived window of opportunity. This rookie class and Geno give them four years of core talent they could add to. You state that there are few openings but the only positions I doubt we can upgrade are RCB and QB. Even our RBs could use another horse ala Green Bay's Jones/Dillion combo. If Young falls we might be compelled to grab him. There's always room for the right player.
There is a clear window opening wide, and I would like to credit Jody Allen making the right choice in keeping Pete and John over Russell.
I thought that Pete and John would be back, but I also thought Russell would be too. In a brilliant understanding of the league and a players ability going forward Seattle scores an A +. None of this could have ever happened if not for the covert operation Denver, Seattle, Russell and agents put together. The bounty of draft picks and starting players made this trade worthwhile no matter what the outcome was going to be.
What a pleasant surprise this season has been. Come on the Hawks let's get to the playoffs !!!
This is pure speculation on my part: I believe that she also told them that the next two drafts had better be good and to quit screwing around with the picks. I.e., no more obsessive trading down leading to multiple busts and blown opportunities, no more reaches, no more “smartest guys in the room” crap.
Carson, Pocic, and Reed also had second contracts. Barton, Haynes, Metcalf, and Homer are current starters and anytime you can get four starters from a draft, it was a good draft. You also can't ignore that they were drafting low in each round.
Ken, check out this article from Geoff Baker of The Seattle Times. It's about Shane Wright of the Kraken, but 2/3 of the way in, he gets into a topic I know you will be very interested in: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/kraken/why-the-krakens-decision-to-send-shane-wright-to-the-ahl-isnt-a-bad-thing/
HAHAHA. Wow! Thanks for sharing.
The Hawks really hit it out of the park with the 2022 draft. I keep reminding myself there's no guarantee they'll do it again. But imagine if they did! With all that draft capital. Wow.
Ok, here's a pitch for Kenneth. His daily articles are the best value in existence for Hawks fans. It's a ton of content and it's anything but the junk one gets from so many outlets. His analysis is thoughtful and perceptive. I've learned a lot here. Plus the fans who post comments are really knowledgeable too. It's an incredible environment. Mature, which is not something that can often be said of sports sites. No name calling or putdowns. A ton of support and respect for each other. It's not an accident this place has grown 10X since Kenneth got serious about marketing it. I could see it easily doubling, trippling, quintuppling by the start of the playoffs. It's that good!
I get nothing for sharing these thoughts. No special treatment, no discounts (and wouldn't want it to be otherwise). I write because I believe in what Kenneth's put together, consider it a bargain, believe he should be paid fairly for his efforts (which is possible only if a lot of us sign up given the low cost), and would love to see it shared widely because it's a service to those of us who love the Seahawks. It's an honor to be part of this place just as it's an honor to be a Hawks fan.
That's so nice of you to write! Thank you so much! I love this community and I certainly hope everyone here does feel welcome and heard.
I hate to be that guy, but I think accuracy counts. Steve Largent was a fourth round pick of the Houston Oilers. He was about to be cut, but was traded to the Seahawks for an 8th round pick, a pick that doesn't even exist anymore.
Idk why I put UDFA. Thanks!
I have 6 season tickets. Big Seahawk fan! You say you have done this since 2019, you need more subscribers. I had not heard of you before last Spring. You need to get more recognition, maybe morning radio show, incentive to refer friends etc… hope u survive I enjoy some of your articles. Good luck
Thank you very much Erniegehre! I started writing about the Seahawks during the 2011 season, then started Seaside Joe at Mailchimp in 2019, then moved everything over to Substack this past March. That was really the first opportunity for Seaside Joe to be able to be seen by people who weren't subscribed to the newsletter, thanks to Substack being a great platform for people like me.
I expect the Seahawks to trade down for some 2024 draft capital. Why? Because they already have few holes to fill. And before long, they will have tough extensions to consider. Bunching all of the wealth into the 2022/3 drafts sounds great now, but could cause a logjam.
And because today’s draft picks are generally more valuable than tomorrow’s, we can leverage an even better situation, given that 2024 picks could hold more value to JS.
This fits perfectly with a Win Forever philosophy. And they can keep pushing that value forward until the cap and extensions become too heavy. At that point, they can let expensive players walk and cash in those draft picks.
So, don’t expect them to empty their pockets next April. They have a nice savings account that can accumulate interest.
Schneider has never been able to transform the draft capital he accumulates by trading down into actual productive players. The 2016-2017 and 2019 drafts were near franchise wreckers, basically bailed out by the 2022 draft where they stood pat. I can’t see dealing either 2023 #1 unless they *really* don’t like who is available.
2016 added Ifedi, Reed, Vannett, and Jefferson. 2017 netted Griffin, Pocic, Moore, and Carson. 2019 was a good draft that yielded starters Metcalf, Barton, Haynes, and Homer (as the starting 3rd down back). Amadi who was a significant contributor, Blair was derailed by injuries, and Ben Burr-Kirven was a special teams standout. Collier(29th pick) didn't live up to his first round status but only Gary Jennings (4th rd), Christmas (6th rd), and Ursua (7th) failed to make any impact. 2013 and 2014 were bad drafts but they were drafting late and trying to fill an already loaded roster. 2015 was the one where we needed a good draft and they whiffed on their attempts to reload the secondary. Last year they traded the 145th pick to KC for 158 (Smith), 229(Melton), and 233(Young). Smith has been injured, Melton is on the practice squad, and Young on the roster. Schneider's draft hit percentage is about average for the league but his UDFA hits have been better than most. The last time they had this kind of draft pick firepower resulted in Russell Okung, Earl Thomas, Golden Tate, and Kam Chancellor.
The way I look at it, amassing 1-3 round picks means that a GM is aiming for a foundational draft.
2016: Ifedi, Reed, Odhiambo, Vannett
2017: Pocic, McDowell, Darboh, Jones, Hill, Griffin
2019: Collier, Metcalf, Blair, Barton
So far, Metcalf is the only second contract with the Hawks.* Metcalf is the only truly outstanding player; Reed and Griffin are solid pros. Otherwise, there’s a lot of mediocrity there as well as some outright busts. The later round picks that worked out are all nice, but they are/were complementary.
2019 may turn out better than it seemed at the beginning of the year, but it sure took a while. No team can consistently rely on late round success to compensate for early round weakness.
*To be fair, Dissly and Dickson as well.
Absolutely! I have been meaning to write about this as well. The Seahawks should look to the Eagles-Saints trade earlier this year as a model.
Well thoughtout, there will be some consideration in trading down with their natural pick in the first round. I would expect us to make at least 3 out 4 if not all 1st and 2nd round picks. I don't think quarterbacks are going to be the hot comodity, they looked like six months ago. How does that effect our drafting as more non quarterbacks will be off the board. I sure wish I could be at least listening to these conversations.
Wouldn't that be awesome! Honestly, I'm surprised nobody has managed to bug one of their draft rooms. There is a real possibility that Seattle could draft Anderson with the third pick. Texas has all but laid claim to the top pick and they need a QB. The GM, Nick Caserio, is of Patriot lineage so he's used to having Tom Brady, a dominant QB running the show. I think they will take Bryce Young unless someone offers a king's ransom for the first pick. Carolina has suffered through a litany of bad QBs and would be crazy not to pick which ever QB the Texans don't choose. The caveat is that Houston could take Anderson first then grab Levis with the 10th pick. That's risky because the Lions also need a QB and have been connected with Levis and several teams could trade up to grab him. I see four teams that need a franchise QB immediately and another three that would love to get their guy. Seven teams for three QBs could make for some interesting times.
If the Hawks have the fifth pick (1700 value) and don't believe anybody on the board is a must-have they could trade down to the eleventh pick (1250 value) and negotiate for a 2024 first round pick as compensation. The 2024 pick is worth one round lower which is the 11th pick in the second round (480 value). The return on investment based on pick value is almost guaranteed. However, the odds a pick panning out drops precipitiously from the 5th or 11th pick to the twenties. They could use their top ten pick and trade their lower first round pick.
It's also about their perceived window of opportunity. This rookie class and Geno give them four years of core talent they could add to. You state that there are few openings but the only positions I doubt we can upgrade are RCB and QB. Even our RBs could use another horse ala Green Bay's Jones/Dillion combo. If Young falls we might be compelled to grab him. There's always room for the right player.
There is a clear window opening wide, and I would like to credit Jody Allen making the right choice in keeping Pete and John over Russell.
I thought that Pete and John would be back, but I also thought Russell would be too. In a brilliant understanding of the league and a players ability going forward Seattle scores an A +. None of this could have ever happened if not for the covert operation Denver, Seattle, Russell and agents put together. The bounty of draft picks and starting players made this trade worthwhile no matter what the outcome was going to be.
What a pleasant surprise this season has been. Come on the Hawks let's get to the playoffs !!!
This is pure speculation on my part: I believe that she also told them that the next two drafts had better be good and to quit screwing around with the picks. I.e., no more obsessive trading down leading to multiple busts and blown opportunities, no more reaches, no more “smartest guys in the room” crap.
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