This game was lost by the coaching staff! Why -again why, between the hash's are receivers for the other team almost always open by 3 to 7 yards??? and then Why are our receivers almost never open like that??? We have talent in the secondary ( although they really need to learn how to tackle) It simply has to be coaching! (and scheme, which is coaching). Then on offense why are we not sending a crosser on every play that starts with a notion of going deep! Sometimes they do, but watching the all 22 it is simply not enough! This team has the talent to be way better than what they are playing at this point of the season! Again Coaching. I have been a huge PC backer, But as of late he either needs to take the reigns a bit more or changes truly need to be made!
Three questions: 1) does DK know he can catch the ball with his hands? Balls bouncing off his shoulder pads all the time is super frustrating. How about DK helps his QB a little more? 2) does Diggs know he can use his arms when he tackles? If there was a prop bet that he bounces off Debo on Thursday no one would take it because it would be -100,000. I don’t know how this goes on week after week. 3) Does Geno know he can throw the ball away without incurring a grounding penalty? Someone should probably tell him. Bonus question: does Riq know it’s AGAINST THE RULES TO HIT ANOTHER PLAYER IN THE HEAD? Someone should probably tell him.
There was some good and some bad in this game, but nothing horrible or great. The closest to horrible for me was the penalties, you can’t win very often with over 120 yards in penalties. I’ve seen more “hands to the face” calls this season than I remember in most of my previous 60 years of fandom combined. Clean that up!
Both the offense and defense had shining moments followed by breakdowns.
Lock didn’t grab the bull by the horns when he had a chance to begin “the legend of Lock”. But Geno did almost create a legend for himself by executing the last drive that set them up for a FG to win.
Meyers didn’t lose this game. The Hawks can’t rely on him to make multiple 50 plus yard FG each week, they have to figure out how to get more TDs. For my money, Meyers might actually be the team MVP right now.
Overall the game reminded me of last week’s win over Washington. The Hawks appeared to be in control all game, but couldn’t quite get the big play to create an insurmountable lead. One was a last second win and one a last second loss. They need to figure out how to put teams away!
They still control their own destiny, but losing twice to the Rams is likely to haunt them at the end of the season.
If we are considering DK batman ... I think that Tyler would be Robin. He has had many big plays during crunch time.
I just finished rewatching the offense. One thing that came to mind is that many people say they want a new QB because Geno is not good enough. But by most accounts, Geno is a top 15 QB. For all the talk about weapons that we have, I am having a hard time seeing many who are a top 15 player at their respective position?
I think K9 is probably top 15 if not higher. Maybe/probably Damien Lewis? Maybe/probably Cross? Maybe Brown? Maybe you could say that our 2nd WR (Lockett) is a top 15 number 2 WR or that JSN is maybe a top 15 #3 WR?
I can't believe how many mistakes JSN makes week in and week out. How does he not turn his head on the Lock throw? Hard to reconcile simple but costly mistakes weekly with other good/great plays.
Is DK a top 15 #1 WR? I'm not sure about that. He can't make contested catches. And I like DK but he is no Chase, Jefferson, Hopkins, Adams, AJ Brown etc. Are we sure he is better than DJ Moore or Terry McLaurin?
Joe has talked about lack of blue chips on the defense in the offseason and rightfully so. But at what point do we take a look at the offense? I know people like to pile on Geno ... But what about the other guys? Why does the QB have to be a top 5 player, but no other position is held to that standard? Has any top 5 QB won a SB without other blue-chip player(s) (top 5 at their position) on their offense? I would highly doubt it.
Woolen's illegal hands to the face on 3rd and 15 to keep the Rams' game-winning drive alive was the correct call and completely unnecessary and stupid. How are these guys still doing this after being flagged for it repeatedly all season long? Discipline!!! It's not just the coaching or just the players at fault either. Everyone on the team is accountable for those penalties.
They're just not that good. It's not about a lack of talented players. The responsibility must lie at the top - it's about PC. The culture produces inconsistency and a lack of discipline. There's your hot take.
I said 1-4 in the survey, and that 1 wasn't going to be the Rams. Look, everyone has a bogey team and/or coach. We have McVay and the Rams. I always knew this was going to be tricky game and one we'd need some lucky to win. Unfortunately Stafford was fine and our chance went wide right of the posts (no knock on Meyers, he's had a good game, missing from 54yds is allowed when he made other 50+yds in the same game).
We won't beat the 49ers on Thursday. We have a shot at the second match-up in a few weeks time. 1-4 still on for me, and needed. We need a shock to the system of a genuinely bad stretch to force the coaches into recognising where this team sits vs the big league hitters.
Anyway more about the actual game. Play calling regressed hard to my eyes, usual Waldron looks fancy does nothing. Geno was Geno, although overall he did have a good game. Actually a lot of the players had good games, and really I feel it was coaching that let the team down this week, plus penalties. Onwards to Thanksgiving!
Didn’t get to see the game live. Just watched it now.
My take-aways:
1st half: I don’t think we did too bad in the first half. Geno was Geno - some ok plays, some bad passes and some luck. I thought Love was good in place of Adams. Charbs was good, Spoon was good. I thought the D was good. TV ads were as bad as ever. Tackling looked better. Rating: Good.
2nd half: Started ok. Not great, but ok. Spoon continued his excellent play. Offence started to stutter late in the 3/4. TV ads didn’t improve. D was still ok overall. Given the little he’s played, I thought Lock was ok. His missed long passes to JSN weren’t far off (in fact the 1st one was fine - JSN just turned too late to see the ball coming). Timing slightly out, but not by much. LA found a groove late in the last 1/4.
Rating: mediocre to poor (as the 1/2 went on).
After reading all the comments, I agree with most and think most are fair. Didn’t see what Parallax said, but I’ve always found him a bit bi-polar and can be harsh. I find him entertaining though.
Conclusion: I’ve never thought Geno is the answer. Nothing changed my opinion on that. He needs to go at the end of the season and we need to take the punt on a young recruit (Bo Nix?).
Bad call that allowed LA their 2nd TD turned the game. Nacau tripped himself up.
Dickson continues to be an absolute gun. He should be the highest paid kicker in the league with his consistency.
If we don’t get more creative with our offence, I can’t see us going far into the post season (if we make it). I’m starting to subscribe to the importance of Joe’s 8 minutes (though we are apparently the best when it comes to defending the last 2 minutes of the 1st 1/4).
I watched in wonder at the first Seahawks drive. Great mix of run and pass and we drove it right down the field and scored. After that, what the heck??? Its like Waldron is great at a weeks worth of script work but has no clue what to do during a game. I saw no play action after the first couple of drives even though it worked great at first. What gives??? Then, the last drive Geno actually started being aggressive with his throws, zipping the ball into space where the receivers were open. Why not the rest of the game for crying out loud??? Why is this offense so inept drive after drive??? (I wonder what Geno would be like playing for the 49ers? Would he shine like Brock Purdy or be just the same as he is for the Seahawks?)
Another brutal loss against a team we should have beaten. Sloppy , stupid penalty filled, undisciplined
play, no 1st downs in the 2nd half and a QB that isn't SB material.
To make matter worse, we have the worst OC in the NFL. On a 2nd and 20 he calls a two yard swing pass to a back , giving us very easy to convert 3rd and 18. Really?
Next year we draft a young. mobile QB and we say a fond farewell to Geno and Waldron.
Since Jamal Adam's unfortunately can't stay healthy , he's gone too
Maybe we can get a late round choice for him.
Until then we are cursed with a one and done at best , mediocre wild. card team. !
This was an implosion, pure and simple. This had nothing to do with the refs, Myers, or the D. Our offense sucks, the O line is garbage, and we make stupid penalties at the worst possible time over and over again. The rams didn’t beat us, we handed them the game.
Step one is cleaning up the penalties and self inflicted stuff we can control. Step 2 is... I don’t know... stop doing stupid shhh...
I want to be mad, but honestly, I had a feeling we would blow it, I don’t believe this team will find a way to win, they find ways to lose. I guess I am mad, but it’s diluted because we always do this shhh. The rams aren’t good and we lost. That’s a fact.
The Seahawks lost the game, but man, it sure felt like the officials were tilting things. There were two plays where the Rams were clearly offsides at the snap, but those weren’t called. There are a lot of calls that are subjective, but not those.
I’m not blaming the refs for the Seahawks losing this game. I am blaming the league for embracing Las Vegas and online betting, and missing obvious, objective calls. Please hide the corruption better so we can maintain the fantasy that the games are fair.
I’ve had some scotch and am trying to type on my cell phone so this won’t be pretty, just like the Seahawks. My thoughts:
The penalties have been bad all season and were inexcusable today. Cost us the game. I put that on Pete Caroll.
We abandon the run early and often. Zach looked good early. Pound the rock! No…instead we throw when we should stay with Zach and then run with him when we shouldn’t at the end. I put the terrible run/throw wisdom on leadership. Not sure if that is coaches or QB or both.
I guess my frustration is we should have won this game but penalties and poor play calling killed us. On Geno and Shane and Pete.
Kudos to the defense…too bad they wasted it on this game. Wow.
Holy crap but those penalties just cost a game. The team CAN’T keep shooting themselves in the foot and have any hope of winning. This is not an even close game without the penalties. This crap needs to stop.
This game was lost by the coaching staff! Why -again why, between the hash's are receivers for the other team almost always open by 3 to 7 yards??? and then Why are our receivers almost never open like that??? We have talent in the secondary ( although they really need to learn how to tackle) It simply has to be coaching! (and scheme, which is coaching). Then on offense why are we not sending a crosser on every play that starts with a notion of going deep! Sometimes they do, but watching the all 22 it is simply not enough! This team has the talent to be way better than what they are playing at this point of the season! Again Coaching. I have been a huge PC backer, But as of late he either needs to take the reigns a bit more or changes truly need to be made!
Three questions: 1) does DK know he can catch the ball with his hands? Balls bouncing off his shoulder pads all the time is super frustrating. How about DK helps his QB a little more? 2) does Diggs know he can use his arms when he tackles? If there was a prop bet that he bounces off Debo on Thursday no one would take it because it would be -100,000. I don’t know how this goes on week after week. 3) Does Geno know he can throw the ball away without incurring a grounding penalty? Someone should probably tell him. Bonus question: does Riq know it’s AGAINST THE RULES TO HIT ANOTHER PLAYER IN THE HEAD? Someone should probably tell him.
There was some good and some bad in this game, but nothing horrible or great. The closest to horrible for me was the penalties, you can’t win very often with over 120 yards in penalties. I’ve seen more “hands to the face” calls this season than I remember in most of my previous 60 years of fandom combined. Clean that up!
Both the offense and defense had shining moments followed by breakdowns.
Lock didn’t grab the bull by the horns when he had a chance to begin “the legend of Lock”. But Geno did almost create a legend for himself by executing the last drive that set them up for a FG to win.
Meyers didn’t lose this game. The Hawks can’t rely on him to make multiple 50 plus yard FG each week, they have to figure out how to get more TDs. For my money, Meyers might actually be the team MVP right now.
Overall the game reminded me of last week’s win over Washington. The Hawks appeared to be in control all game, but couldn’t quite get the big play to create an insurmountable lead. One was a last second win and one a last second loss. They need to figure out how to put teams away!
They still control their own destiny, but losing twice to the Rams is likely to haunt them at the end of the season.
If we are considering DK batman ... I think that Tyler would be Robin. He has had many big plays during crunch time.
I just finished rewatching the offense. One thing that came to mind is that many people say they want a new QB because Geno is not good enough. But by most accounts, Geno is a top 15 QB. For all the talk about weapons that we have, I am having a hard time seeing many who are a top 15 player at their respective position?
I think K9 is probably top 15 if not higher. Maybe/probably Damien Lewis? Maybe/probably Cross? Maybe Brown? Maybe you could say that our 2nd WR (Lockett) is a top 15 number 2 WR or that JSN is maybe a top 15 #3 WR?
I can't believe how many mistakes JSN makes week in and week out. How does he not turn his head on the Lock throw? Hard to reconcile simple but costly mistakes weekly with other good/great plays.
Is DK a top 15 #1 WR? I'm not sure about that. He can't make contested catches. And I like DK but he is no Chase, Jefferson, Hopkins, Adams, AJ Brown etc. Are we sure he is better than DJ Moore or Terry McLaurin?
Joe has talked about lack of blue chips on the defense in the offseason and rightfully so. But at what point do we take a look at the offense? I know people like to pile on Geno ... But what about the other guys? Why does the QB have to be a top 5 player, but no other position is held to that standard? Has any top 5 QB won a SB without other blue-chip player(s) (top 5 at their position) on their offense? I would highly doubt it.
Woolen's illegal hands to the face on 3rd and 15 to keep the Rams' game-winning drive alive was the correct call and completely unnecessary and stupid. How are these guys still doing this after being flagged for it repeatedly all season long? Discipline!!! It's not just the coaching or just the players at fault either. Everyone on the team is accountable for those penalties.
They're just not that good. It's not about a lack of talented players. The responsibility must lie at the top - it's about PC. The culture produces inconsistency and a lack of discipline. There's your hot take.
I said 1-4 in the survey, and that 1 wasn't going to be the Rams. Look, everyone has a bogey team and/or coach. We have McVay and the Rams. I always knew this was going to be tricky game and one we'd need some lucky to win. Unfortunately Stafford was fine and our chance went wide right of the posts (no knock on Meyers, he's had a good game, missing from 54yds is allowed when he made other 50+yds in the same game).
We won't beat the 49ers on Thursday. We have a shot at the second match-up in a few weeks time. 1-4 still on for me, and needed. We need a shock to the system of a genuinely bad stretch to force the coaches into recognising where this team sits vs the big league hitters.
Anyway more about the actual game. Play calling regressed hard to my eyes, usual Waldron looks fancy does nothing. Geno was Geno, although overall he did have a good game. Actually a lot of the players had good games, and really I feel it was coaching that let the team down this week, plus penalties. Onwards to Thanksgiving!
Didn’t get to see the game live. Just watched it now.
My take-aways:
1st half: I don’t think we did too bad in the first half. Geno was Geno - some ok plays, some bad passes and some luck. I thought Love was good in place of Adams. Charbs was good, Spoon was good. I thought the D was good. TV ads were as bad as ever. Tackling looked better. Rating: Good.
2nd half: Started ok. Not great, but ok. Spoon continued his excellent play. Offence started to stutter late in the 3/4. TV ads didn’t improve. D was still ok overall. Given the little he’s played, I thought Lock was ok. His missed long passes to JSN weren’t far off (in fact the 1st one was fine - JSN just turned too late to see the ball coming). Timing slightly out, but not by much. LA found a groove late in the last 1/4.
Rating: mediocre to poor (as the 1/2 went on).
After reading all the comments, I agree with most and think most are fair. Didn’t see what Parallax said, but I’ve always found him a bit bi-polar and can be harsh. I find him entertaining though.
Conclusion: I’ve never thought Geno is the answer. Nothing changed my opinion on that. He needs to go at the end of the season and we need to take the punt on a young recruit (Bo Nix?).
Bad call that allowed LA their 2nd TD turned the game. Nacau tripped himself up.
Dickson continues to be an absolute gun. He should be the highest paid kicker in the league with his consistency.
If we don’t get more creative with our offence, I can’t see us going far into the post season (if we make it). I’m starting to subscribe to the importance of Joe’s 8 minutes (though we are apparently the best when it comes to defending the last 2 minutes of the 1st 1/4).
I watched in wonder at the first Seahawks drive. Great mix of run and pass and we drove it right down the field and scored. After that, what the heck??? Its like Waldron is great at a weeks worth of script work but has no clue what to do during a game. I saw no play action after the first couple of drives even though it worked great at first. What gives??? Then, the last drive Geno actually started being aggressive with his throws, zipping the ball into space where the receivers were open. Why not the rest of the game for crying out loud??? Why is this offense so inept drive after drive??? (I wonder what Geno would be like playing for the 49ers? Would he shine like Brock Purdy or be just the same as he is for the Seahawks?)
I find myself still thinking about the 8 most important minutes of football article this week by Joe since the end of this game.
Geez... did the Hawks mess that up today.
Another brutal loss against a team we should have beaten. Sloppy , stupid penalty filled, undisciplined
play, no 1st downs in the 2nd half and a QB that isn't SB material.
To make matter worse, we have the worst OC in the NFL. On a 2nd and 20 he calls a two yard swing pass to a back , giving us very easy to convert 3rd and 18. Really?
Next year we draft a young. mobile QB and we say a fond farewell to Geno and Waldron.
Since Jamal Adam's unfortunately can't stay healthy , he's gone too
Maybe we can get a late round choice for him.
Until then we are cursed with a one and done at best , mediocre wild. card team. !
I only watched the 1st quarter so I'm the one who came out ahead today.
This was an implosion, pure and simple. This had nothing to do with the refs, Myers, or the D. Our offense sucks, the O line is garbage, and we make stupid penalties at the worst possible time over and over again. The rams didn’t beat us, we handed them the game.
Step one is cleaning up the penalties and self inflicted stuff we can control. Step 2 is... I don’t know... stop doing stupid shhh...
I want to be mad, but honestly, I had a feeling we would blow it, I don’t believe this team will find a way to win, they find ways to lose. I guess I am mad, but it’s diluted because we always do this shhh. The rams aren’t good and we lost. That’s a fact.
The Seahawks lost the game, but man, it sure felt like the officials were tilting things. There were two plays where the Rams were clearly offsides at the snap, but those weren’t called. There are a lot of calls that are subjective, but not those.
I’m not blaming the refs for the Seahawks losing this game. I am blaming the league for embracing Las Vegas and online betting, and missing obvious, objective calls. Please hide the corruption better so we can maintain the fantasy that the games are fair.
I’ve had some scotch and am trying to type on my cell phone so this won’t be pretty, just like the Seahawks. My thoughts:
The penalties have been bad all season and were inexcusable today. Cost us the game. I put that on Pete Caroll.
We abandon the run early and often. Zach looked good early. Pound the rock! No…instead we throw when we should stay with Zach and then run with him when we shouldn’t at the end. I put the terrible run/throw wisdom on leadership. Not sure if that is coaches or QB or both.
I guess my frustration is we should have won this game but penalties and poor play calling killed us. On Geno and Shane and Pete.
Kudos to the defense…too bad they wasted it on this game. Wow.
Redoux tomorrow.
Holy crap but those penalties just cost a game. The team CAN’T keep shooting themselves in the foot and have any hope of winning. This is not an even close game without the penalties. This crap needs to stop.