The worry about Geno not being under contract and if we lose him next year. I think JS should explore the trade deadline with Geno. Use that as some leverage in getting a contract done. If push comes to shove, then Think about a trade of Geno to " insert needy team" for draft capital and/or young star player. Pittsburgh and Watt for example? Let's consider if Geno is a product of the System...and Waldron is a genius... Lock might be putting up an equal performance. I know there is not a lot to support this idea, but who saw Geno breaking out... Could be a lot of scenario's that JS could be exploring in the next 2 weeks... at least fun to think about if not realistic...
Please remove the word "decimate" from your vocabulary.
You may be technically correct in today's amended world of making the world dumber so that idiots could follow, but it just lowers your cred to the educated reader.
Drop the word instead of trying to fit in with education-challenged millennials.
Geno is playing better than expected but I believe part of the equation is improved Tackle play and improved play calling as well. Don't get me wrong though, last week he made throws I once believed him incapable of making. The throw on the move to the left was pure magic, it looked more like Mahomes or Allen than Geno. The 2 TD's to Lockett looked like vintage Russ dropping in balls where only a guy like NoE can catchit, and for TD's. I was once of the camp that Geno would simply game manage us to 5 or 6 wins against the weekest teams on our schedule. However, now I believe Geno can lead the offense to enough points any given week that if the defense (uh-hum) would put up any fight we have a chance at winning just about any game left this season and could be a borderline wildcard team.
I understand the whole "It's only 5 games bolstered by bad defenses" argument but honestly, this argument will continue to persist because the argument is based on sample size and those who point to it probably won't even believe in him after a Full Season. I think Geno has earned the right to compete with whomever they draft next year (and they still should get the guy they really want regardless of draft position) with a contract that recognizes that he deserves more than he has been paid but not so much we tie our hands again during FA. Hell, I think Geno is smart enough to figue out if he eats up the cap like a selfish greedy bastard then it only makes the team worse and breeds contempt from his teammates. I know it sounds crazy but I think we could easily get Geno to sign a new deal that pays him half of what the big names are getting so long as it is a multi year deal that fully guarantees the first year (to his benefit) and has 0 guarantee for the 3rd (my length estimation) year. Geno knows the drill in this league and he has found a home where the coach takes care of his guy. Right now Geno is that guy and until someone takes the job from him by proving the better option then I think Pete will let him be part of the competition.
(Banned)Oct 12, 2022·edited Oct 12, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
Can't tell you how much I appreciate this evaluation. You explained what I've been seeing with my eyes. My assessment is very similar to yours. I couldn't quantify it but as you said evaluation is as much art as science.
I've only been able to watch one Seahawks games all year and it was against the 49ers. I've seen all the highlights, but that's a terrible way to judge a player's performance. My question to anyone and everyone who has watched the games (pretend like you don't know Geno's statistics) is, can Geno improvise and make plays and diagnose on field opportunities consistently? That throw to Lockett was soooooo good. But, getting sacked to basically end the game (again!) was soooooo bad. I'm not convinced that Geno can deliver against adversity and high-impact situations (something that the last guy used to be pretty good at). When you start talking about top 10 QBs, that has to be part of the equation. I've seen the defense win a game (or the Broncos beat themselves) and I've seen Penny win a game, but I haven't seen Geno win a game.
A QB's job is to win games. Stats not important. Elway had average stats but won games with average teammates. 5 super bowls. Geno has not won games he should win.
Here's my question on this hugely intriguing and unexpected situation:
If Geno finishes in the top 5 in most metrics as is today, is that enough to say he is the rare late bloomer (Kurt Warner?) or is he the next Nick Foles (looks unexpectedly great until he gets paid, and then oops). Can Seattle make that judgement in 17 games?
Oct 12, 2022·edited Oct 12, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
Until the Seahawks have assembled the talent to be a contender, Geno is more than capable of leading this team. Even then, we need to let Geno prove he can't be the man before we move on.
I read an article on the Husky defense which detailed the underwhelming defensive talent available to Washington coaches. You could have swapped Huskies for Hawks and been right on the money. We have a bunch of three stars and rookies and our one true impact player is out for the season. It ain't the scheme boys and girls!
Hendon Hooker is now my official third QB on the QB big board. Since transferring to Tennessee he has 41 touchdowns against 3 interceptions... in the SEC! Stroud has 68/9 and Young has 61/10 but given the talent around them they should score more. The only reason Hooker isn't higher is that Young and Stroud lead traditional powers with the incumbent pressures that translate to being a franchise QB.
Because this is a league where a salary cap exists as well as one where 53 contracts have to fit within that maximum, a QB's performance to cost ratio should be calculated. At Geno's $3.5M contract, his performing as the Greatest value QB in the NFL must be appreciated.
Sure, there are maybe even 2 dozen passers one might rather have on their team but as long as Geno is this cheap, his return is off the charts. As long as he can be retained at $8-10M max beyond this year, lets keep him.
Those who think Teddy Bridgewater's 3yr/$63M contract from Carolina is a worthy comp for an upcoming Geno Smith contract they need to be reminded that a 27-yr old journeyman mostly starter QB is worth at least 2x of a 32-yr old mostly back-up quarterback coming off a red-hot season.
Even if we keep him, an eventual replacement will need to be identified. Maybe Drew Lock is that guy or perhaps Grayson McCall/KJ Jefferson type of 3rd/4th-round pick to compete with Lock as the back-up/future starter.
Definitely NOT a big trade-up in the first round - that too closely resembles what perpetually Bad teams do. Plus, we need to field a better Defense, which will take a premium talent infusion as well. NO future QB is worth ignoring that need.
Oh hell, I'm on board the train🤔 mostly because it's alot more fun to do so. Honestly, I don't have great expectations but my being supportive of Geno is just a better, fun way to enjoy the game. I very much enjoy reading about your perspective and mostly agree with it. The work, the research, your insight and perspective is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I reread your story on what if Geno plays this well all year. Take out .the win loss record because of our defense. After the lions game I wrote Geno could be looking at a fat contract. What I meant by that is one that paid him about 5 times more. 2 years $30 million is very fair. We have a long way to go, but I did want to clarify FAT. $30 Million $12 garunteed because we have a stud in waiting is way more than Geno could ha e ever dreamed this time last year.
Once again I am cheering for Geno and his story, if we had any defense my expectations would be higher.
If he stays healthy he will continue to shine ,Geno is running this offence with confidence ,skill and some truly epic throws and decisions.....sign him and go defense in next years draft with the exception of Grayson McCall in the 3rd or maybe even 2nd ,thank you for introducing me to that kid ...Now stop talking about him .
I am not of the belief that Geno is suddenly elite, or even particularly good. We had that stretch of 6 quarters without scoring when we faced the 2nd half Broncos and a full 49ers game. I must admit he's playing a heck of a lot better than I ever thought he would, though. I'll freely admit that I was beating the drum for Baker or Jimmy G, due to my armchair evaluation of Geno and Lock. But Geno's been more accurate than I thought, makes better reads than I expected, and is more composed than I anticipated. Hats off to his start. He is very efficient and takes check downs better than Russell. But above all, I'd like to see him lead successful comeback drives. I'd still swap him out for at least a dozen QBs in the league off of the top of my head.
I mentioned elsewhere that I already bought the ticket to Geno's hype train, but I didn't board it yet.
Even though "The Secret" is bullshit, believing is not only important, but necessary to thrive. If Geno has great days against our next 4 opponents, that may be the boost that he needs to succeed against the Buccaneers.
As of today, the QBs I'd rather have than Geno are Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, and maybe Goldilocks.
Yes, Brady, and Rodgers, and Dak are better than Geno. He's probably — being optimistic — on a Kirk Cousins level. But today, he's playing better than these guys. And I think they turned a corner that Geno is yet to turn.
I don't know which Geno will we see tomorrow. The efficient and accurate ball distributor, dissecting defenses and operating at a high cerebral level, or the frustrating 3&out machine. Maybe both, as it happened against Denver and Atlanta (and NO, but the inneficiency was a shorter spell last time).
I am not interested in rating Geno. I am over the moon with the way he has performed so far. I am rooting for his comeback story to continue in the same fashion we have seen so far. If KW3 plays the way we all know he can this will continue. I really want to see him envolved in the pass game the way the Rams used Tod Gurley.
I don't think there is a true Seahawks fan who isint pleased by Geno's performance so far. Stay healthy and confident, Geno !
The worry about Geno not being under contract and if we lose him next year. I think JS should explore the trade deadline with Geno. Use that as some leverage in getting a contract done. If push comes to shove, then Think about a trade of Geno to " insert needy team" for draft capital and/or young star player. Pittsburgh and Watt for example? Let's consider if Geno is a product of the System...and Waldron is a genius... Lock might be putting up an equal performance. I know there is not a lot to support this idea, but who saw Geno breaking out... Could be a lot of scenario's that JS could be exploring in the next 2 weeks... at least fun to think about if not realistic...
Please remove the word "decimate" from your vocabulary.
You may be technically correct in today's amended world of making the world dumber so that idiots could follow, but it just lowers your cred to the educated reader.
Drop the word instead of trying to fit in with education-challenged millennials.
Geno is playing better than expected but I believe part of the equation is improved Tackle play and improved play calling as well. Don't get me wrong though, last week he made throws I once believed him incapable of making. The throw on the move to the left was pure magic, it looked more like Mahomes or Allen than Geno. The 2 TD's to Lockett looked like vintage Russ dropping in balls where only a guy like NoE can catchit, and for TD's. I was once of the camp that Geno would simply game manage us to 5 or 6 wins against the weekest teams on our schedule. However, now I believe Geno can lead the offense to enough points any given week that if the defense (uh-hum) would put up any fight we have a chance at winning just about any game left this season and could be a borderline wildcard team.
I understand the whole "It's only 5 games bolstered by bad defenses" argument but honestly, this argument will continue to persist because the argument is based on sample size and those who point to it probably won't even believe in him after a Full Season. I think Geno has earned the right to compete with whomever they draft next year (and they still should get the guy they really want regardless of draft position) with a contract that recognizes that he deserves more than he has been paid but not so much we tie our hands again during FA. Hell, I think Geno is smart enough to figue out if he eats up the cap like a selfish greedy bastard then it only makes the team worse and breeds contempt from his teammates. I know it sounds crazy but I think we could easily get Geno to sign a new deal that pays him half of what the big names are getting so long as it is a multi year deal that fully guarantees the first year (to his benefit) and has 0 guarantee for the 3rd (my length estimation) year. Geno knows the drill in this league and he has found a home where the coach takes care of his guy. Right now Geno is that guy and until someone takes the job from him by proving the better option then I think Pete will let him be part of the competition.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate this evaluation. You explained what I've been seeing with my eyes. My assessment is very similar to yours. I couldn't quantify it but as you said evaluation is as much art as science.
I've only been able to watch one Seahawks games all year and it was against the 49ers. I've seen all the highlights, but that's a terrible way to judge a player's performance. My question to anyone and everyone who has watched the games (pretend like you don't know Geno's statistics) is, can Geno improvise and make plays and diagnose on field opportunities consistently? That throw to Lockett was soooooo good. But, getting sacked to basically end the game (again!) was soooooo bad. I'm not convinced that Geno can deliver against adversity and high-impact situations (something that the last guy used to be pretty good at). When you start talking about top 10 QBs, that has to be part of the equation. I've seen the defense win a game (or the Broncos beat themselves) and I've seen Penny win a game, but I haven't seen Geno win a game.
A QB's job is to win games. Stats not important. Elway had average stats but won games with average teammates. 5 super bowls. Geno has not won games he should win.
Here's my question on this hugely intriguing and unexpected situation:
If Geno finishes in the top 5 in most metrics as is today, is that enough to say he is the rare late bloomer (Kurt Warner?) or is he the next Nick Foles (looks unexpectedly great until he gets paid, and then oops). Can Seattle make that judgement in 17 games?
Until the Seahawks have assembled the talent to be a contender, Geno is more than capable of leading this team. Even then, we need to let Geno prove he can't be the man before we move on.
I read an article on the Husky defense which detailed the underwhelming defensive talent available to Washington coaches. You could have swapped Huskies for Hawks and been right on the money. We have a bunch of three stars and rookies and our one true impact player is out for the season. It ain't the scheme boys and girls!
Hendon Hooker is now my official third QB on the QB big board. Since transferring to Tennessee he has 41 touchdowns against 3 interceptions... in the SEC! Stroud has 68/9 and Young has 61/10 but given the talent around them they should score more. The only reason Hooker isn't higher is that Young and Stroud lead traditional powers with the incumbent pressures that translate to being a franchise QB.
Because this is a league where a salary cap exists as well as one where 53 contracts have to fit within that maximum, a QB's performance to cost ratio should be calculated. At Geno's $3.5M contract, his performing as the Greatest value QB in the NFL must be appreciated.
Sure, there are maybe even 2 dozen passers one might rather have on their team but as long as Geno is this cheap, his return is off the charts. As long as he can be retained at $8-10M max beyond this year, lets keep him.
Those who think Teddy Bridgewater's 3yr/$63M contract from Carolina is a worthy comp for an upcoming Geno Smith contract they need to be reminded that a 27-yr old journeyman mostly starter QB is worth at least 2x of a 32-yr old mostly back-up quarterback coming off a red-hot season.
Even if we keep him, an eventual replacement will need to be identified. Maybe Drew Lock is that guy or perhaps Grayson McCall/KJ Jefferson type of 3rd/4th-round pick to compete with Lock as the back-up/future starter.
Definitely NOT a big trade-up in the first round - that too closely resembles what perpetually Bad teams do. Plus, we need to field a better Defense, which will take a premium talent infusion as well. NO future QB is worth ignoring that need.
If Geno is only the 20th best QB in the league, I wish our DTs, pass rushers, and LBs were the 20th best in the NFL.
Oh hell, I'm on board the train🤔 mostly because it's alot more fun to do so. Honestly, I don't have great expectations but my being supportive of Geno is just a better, fun way to enjoy the game. I very much enjoy reading about your perspective and mostly agree with it. The work, the research, your insight and perspective is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I reread your story on what if Geno plays this well all year. Take out .the win loss record because of our defense. After the lions game I wrote Geno could be looking at a fat contract. What I meant by that is one that paid him about 5 times more. 2 years $30 million is very fair. We have a long way to go, but I did want to clarify FAT. $30 Million $12 garunteed because we have a stud in waiting is way more than Geno could ha e ever dreamed this time last year.
Once again I am cheering for Geno and his story, if we had any defense my expectations would be higher.
If he stays healthy he will continue to shine ,Geno is running this offence with confidence ,skill and some truly epic throws and decisions.....sign him and go defense in next years draft with the exception of Grayson McCall in the 3rd or maybe even 2nd ,thank you for introducing me to that kid ...Now stop talking about him .
I am not of the belief that Geno is suddenly elite, or even particularly good. We had that stretch of 6 quarters without scoring when we faced the 2nd half Broncos and a full 49ers game. I must admit he's playing a heck of a lot better than I ever thought he would, though. I'll freely admit that I was beating the drum for Baker or Jimmy G, due to my armchair evaluation of Geno and Lock. But Geno's been more accurate than I thought, makes better reads than I expected, and is more composed than I anticipated. Hats off to his start. He is very efficient and takes check downs better than Russell. But above all, I'd like to see him lead successful comeback drives. I'd still swap him out for at least a dozen QBs in the league off of the top of my head.
I mentioned elsewhere that I already bought the ticket to Geno's hype train, but I didn't board it yet.
Even though "The Secret" is bullshit, believing is not only important, but necessary to thrive. If Geno has great days against our next 4 opponents, that may be the boost that he needs to succeed against the Buccaneers.
As of today, the QBs I'd rather have than Geno are Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, and maybe Goldilocks.
Yes, Brady, and Rodgers, and Dak are better than Geno. He's probably — being optimistic — on a Kirk Cousins level. But today, he's playing better than these guys. And I think they turned a corner that Geno is yet to turn.
I don't know which Geno will we see tomorrow. The efficient and accurate ball distributor, dissecting defenses and operating at a high cerebral level, or the frustrating 3&out machine. Maybe both, as it happened against Denver and Atlanta (and NO, but the inneficiency was a shorter spell last time).
So I keep my ticket in my back pocket.
I am not interested in rating Geno. I am over the moon with the way he has performed so far. I am rooting for his comeback story to continue in the same fashion we have seen so far. If KW3 plays the way we all know he can this will continue. I really want to see him envolved in the pass game the way the Rams used Tod Gurley.
I don't think there is a true Seahawks fan who isint pleased by Geno's performance so far. Stay healthy and confident, Geno !