The Seahawks are simply lacking blue chips. The roster is littered with decent players. The 2022 draft may have yielded some blue chips. Perhaps the 2023 draft will as well. Until we have difference makers dotted around the offense and defense there will be no serious contending.
(Banned)Aug 25, 2022·edited Aug 25, 2022Liked by Seaside Joe
Here's a prediction. Seahawks fans will be patient and go easy on Carroll if he appears to give Lock a legitimate shot at the starting job (and he wins and starts or loses, for real, and backs up Geno). But if Carroll seems to have a bias in favor of Geno, he'll lose a lot of us. And for good reason.
The only way around that is if Geno wins, in which case Pete will be seen a genius. I think the chances of Geno starting and doing well (which I'll call going .500) are small. Unless the defense starts tackling like they mean it, and our OL plays well, and our running backs get/stay healthy and are as good as advertised, and he manages to connect on a regular basis with DK and Lockett, and all the other position groups and special teams hold their own. Even then, if it seems like Geno's being carried by the rest of the team, people will be legitimately pissed.
I predict Carroll would be better off going 4-13 with Lock than 6-11 with Geno. Then folks will feel that he at least gave the younger QB with the higher ceiling a real chance to succeed.
In my view it is very odd that Pete Carroll has no depth at Linebacker. While a great many teams don't want to pay linebackers and even fewer cherish the position like Pete. It seems like they were in such a hurry to move on from Bobby Wagner, they forgot to tell him that he was cut. I have no proof, but I don't think Seattle even tried to bring him back with any offer. We may never know if Bobby would have signed with the Hawks for the same $10 million he is getting from of all teams, the Rams. They made this decision on the strength of a two game sample of Cody Barton. We are not lacking depth at Linebacker because of injuries during training camp. KJ also wanted to come back, and he would have signed for $3 million or less. Yes he is not ideal in a 3/4 defense and rushing the passer was never his strength. Wouldn't you have felt better if he was coming off the bench, batting down passes at the line of scrimmage or blowing up screens. Between 2010 and 2012 the Seahawks tried out more players than any team in the league. Perhaps they are going to take the same approach this year. It seems that with a little more foresight we would have one more starting linebacker and a 6ft 6 monster coming off the bench
Jarrod Hewitt has similar measurables to Aaron Donald. I wish he broke through and surprised everyone. But that's even more of a pipe dream than a 2023 winning season.
I've been posting about this since the trade. There's no next year in the NFL. That's baseball.
Everyone saying Seattle=bad because no Russell Wilson.
No. If the other team can't score, and your offense is not historically bad, you can win in this league.
I felt they were building the line well. I think it's their key. And it's not just the edge--which of yet is untested.
Woods, Ford, Jefferson, etc are a nice group. But you didn't mention the best player. Shelby Harris. Watch Denver tape. He stands out on a line that doesn't stand out. He's not a wrecker, but he's a game changer, and if guys stepped up around him (which is Hurrt's job to find those guys and play them up), Seattle could pose problems for teams.
That's why I'm holding if on 'Seahawks suck, they should draft...' because Pete has a plan to manhandle on defense, block hard and run the ball on offense (and no one had covered Walker like this site), and have a QB that needs to make a few plays a game to salt it away.
Probably can't pull it off because of inexperience...this League's most underrated value...but I'll watch to see before looking at next year's draft.
There will be one or two inside linebackers added at cutdown. There are a half-dozen on the bubble that are better than what we have as backups, maybe better than our starter. Grayson McCall probably isn't going to be a first round pick because he's too far down on most pundit's lists. Our first round picks should be an inside pass rusher and an outside pass rusher assuming worthy people are still on the board. Grayson McCall becomes our second round pick and we all live happily ever after.
How about an article on the 3-4 defense in general since Pete has had a 4-3 since he started here? What are the key elements? Does this force the secondary to play more Cover-2?
The Hawks defense last year was 11th in points allowed while being the absolute worst in time of possesion for opponents. I believe the latter half of that equation was largely due to how inept the offense was by having so many 3 and outs, especially early in games. Do we think our defensive unit is substantially WORSE this season or potentially on a similar footing to last year? I tend to think, other than Wagner, we did not lose anything of substantial value. Brooks actually had more tackles last year than Wagner and he is his replacement. Losing Norton as the DC is probably a plus overall as well. If our offense can be closer to league average on time of possesion our defensive unit will almost have to take a step forward in terms of points allowed. The big reason being they are not as tired at the end of games as last year. Also more offensive time of possesion leaves less time for the other team to put up points. I'm cautiously optimistic this defense can hold its own again this year, even being as young as it probably is.
I try to read nothing into preseason, since it rarely has ever brought me to correct conclusions. But I find it interesting that several players who shined in the Steelers game absolutely floundered against the Bears. I like Clint Hurtt in interviews and clips I've seen, but I'm not of the belief he has a lot of talent to work with. I don't know what to make of the defense this year. Or the offense. Or special teams; which I expected to be strong, but we've seen a lot of guys who will be starting on ST play unacceptably poorly. How do you judge Shane Waldron without a capable quarterback? This is shaping up to be an odd season. And probably the worst one we've seen in a long time.
YES I KNOW this isn't a thread about the "QB Competition" but curious about Joe's reaction to Gilbert's piece that says there never really was a competition--it was GENO ALL THE WAY! (It is on the FG site.)
The Seahawks are simply lacking blue chips. The roster is littered with decent players. The 2022 draft may have yielded some blue chips. Perhaps the 2023 draft will as well. Until we have difference makers dotted around the offense and defense there will be no serious contending.
'Jones IV ' is way too close to Vi Jones for my late night reading 🤣
The LBs looked horrible vs. the Bears. I expect something to change here after the roster cutdowns.
Here's a prediction. Seahawks fans will be patient and go easy on Carroll if he appears to give Lock a legitimate shot at the starting job (and he wins and starts or loses, for real, and backs up Geno). But if Carroll seems to have a bias in favor of Geno, he'll lose a lot of us. And for good reason.
The only way around that is if Geno wins, in which case Pete will be seen a genius. I think the chances of Geno starting and doing well (which I'll call going .500) are small. Unless the defense starts tackling like they mean it, and our OL plays well, and our running backs get/stay healthy and are as good as advertised, and he manages to connect on a regular basis with DK and Lockett, and all the other position groups and special teams hold their own. Even then, if it seems like Geno's being carried by the rest of the team, people will be legitimately pissed.
I predict Carroll would be better off going 4-13 with Lock than 6-11 with Geno. Then folks will feel that he at least gave the younger QB with the higher ceiling a real chance to succeed.
In my view it is very odd that Pete Carroll has no depth at Linebacker. While a great many teams don't want to pay linebackers and even fewer cherish the position like Pete. It seems like they were in such a hurry to move on from Bobby Wagner, they forgot to tell him that he was cut. I have no proof, but I don't think Seattle even tried to bring him back with any offer. We may never know if Bobby would have signed with the Hawks for the same $10 million he is getting from of all teams, the Rams. They made this decision on the strength of a two game sample of Cody Barton. We are not lacking depth at Linebacker because of injuries during training camp. KJ also wanted to come back, and he would have signed for $3 million or less. Yes he is not ideal in a 3/4 defense and rushing the passer was never his strength. Wouldn't you have felt better if he was coming off the bench, batting down passes at the line of scrimmage or blowing up screens. Between 2010 and 2012 the Seahawks tried out more players than any team in the league. Perhaps they are going to take the same approach this year. It seems that with a little more foresight we would have one more starting linebacker and a 6ft 6 monster coming off the bench
Jarrod Hewitt has similar measurables to Aaron Donald. I wish he broke through and surprised everyone. But that's even more of a pipe dream than a 2023 winning season.
I've been posting about this since the trade. There's no next year in the NFL. That's baseball.
Everyone saying Seattle=bad because no Russell Wilson.
No. If the other team can't score, and your offense is not historically bad, you can win in this league.
I felt they were building the line well. I think it's their key. And it's not just the edge--which of yet is untested.
Woods, Ford, Jefferson, etc are a nice group. But you didn't mention the best player. Shelby Harris. Watch Denver tape. He stands out on a line that doesn't stand out. He's not a wrecker, but he's a game changer, and if guys stepped up around him (which is Hurrt's job to find those guys and play them up), Seattle could pose problems for teams.
That's why I'm holding if on 'Seahawks suck, they should draft...' because Pete has a plan to manhandle on defense, block hard and run the ball on offense (and no one had covered Walker like this site), and have a QB that needs to make a few plays a game to salt it away.
Probably can't pull it off because of inexperience...this League's most underrated value...but I'll watch to see before looking at next year's draft.
There will be one or two inside linebackers added at cutdown. There are a half-dozen on the bubble that are better than what we have as backups, maybe better than our starter. Grayson McCall probably isn't going to be a first round pick because he's too far down on most pundit's lists. Our first round picks should be an inside pass rusher and an outside pass rusher assuming worthy people are still on the board. Grayson McCall becomes our second round pick and we all live happily ever after.
How about an article on the 3-4 defense in general since Pete has had a 4-3 since he started here? What are the key elements? Does this force the secondary to play more Cover-2?
The Hawks defense last year was 11th in points allowed while being the absolute worst in time of possesion for opponents. I believe the latter half of that equation was largely due to how inept the offense was by having so many 3 and outs, especially early in games. Do we think our defensive unit is substantially WORSE this season or potentially on a similar footing to last year? I tend to think, other than Wagner, we did not lose anything of substantial value. Brooks actually had more tackles last year than Wagner and he is his replacement. Losing Norton as the DC is probably a plus overall as well. If our offense can be closer to league average on time of possesion our defensive unit will almost have to take a step forward in terms of points allowed. The big reason being they are not as tired at the end of games as last year. Also more offensive time of possesion leaves less time for the other team to put up points. I'm cautiously optimistic this defense can hold its own again this year, even being as young as it probably is.
You are very good. I will try to support you in some way.
I try to read nothing into preseason, since it rarely has ever brought me to correct conclusions. But I find it interesting that several players who shined in the Steelers game absolutely floundered against the Bears. I like Clint Hurtt in interviews and clips I've seen, but I'm not of the belief he has a lot of talent to work with. I don't know what to make of the defense this year. Or the offense. Or special teams; which I expected to be strong, but we've seen a lot of guys who will be starting on ST play unacceptably poorly. How do you judge Shane Waldron without a capable quarterback? This is shaping up to be an odd season. And probably the worst one we've seen in a long time.
YES I KNOW this isn't a thread about the "QB Competition" but curious about Joe's reaction to Gilbert's piece that says there never really was a competition--it was GENO ALL THE WAY! (It is on the FG site.)