“You can’t tackle”, “You can’t get out of your own way with penalties”, “You. are prone to busted coverages”, “You make bad decisions with challenges and timeouts”, and “You just might not be a deserving playoff team this season”.
Almost or all of these accurate comments from SSJ point to coaching. I would add " your team is not fired up or playing with passion". It felt like only one team wanted to win at all costs, and it wasn't ours. The team was flat, and the stadium was flat, at least compared to the past. I think Hurtt definitely needs to go, and probably Waldron too. And who hires those guys? HC right? I have always supported PC, but might be time for some new blood all around.
My instant reaction, a few days after the game: we got manhandled just like the Baltimore game, we're poorly coached, no fire in the gut when it mattered most, and WE CANNOT TACKLE. Time for a reset for sure.
After watching this catastrophe, If we make the playoffs, we will be embarrassed by the 49ers again. I hope we stay home.
Do you have to be a nuclear physist to remember the freaking snap count? In high school we were taught to tackle to square up and wrap up. I. guess that isn't taught to the Hawks anymore.
On my pre game post I wrote that the Steelers would run the ball down our throats, win the time of possession battle and we couldn't win if we had a turn over. Done, done and done. This not a playoff team!
My New Year wishes: Say a fond farewell to Adam's, Eskridge, Clark, Brown, Bradford, Dissly, Geno , Diggs ( if he doesn't take a pay cut )Taylor and especially to OC Waldron and DC Hurtt.
In a make or break game for the Seahawks, they were beaten by a pretty good But not great Steelers team. Are the Seahawks a good team that just needs tweaking or are they just a very average team.?I think most of us can agree that they are not a great team.
The great teams or The ones that are on the edge seem to have one common denominator.
They have great coaching and a upper echelon quarterback..IMHO we have neither, until that changes nothing will change..
I'm now rooting against he Seahawks making the playoffs. There need to be major changes in the coaching staff this off-season and I'm afraid a pointless playoff berth would only make those changes less likely. Of course, Jodi Allen probably won't fire Pete, so maybe the needed changes are unlikely to come about in any circumstance. Just such a frustrating time to be a Seahawks fan.
The three plays that stood out to me today were Riq getting Thanosed, the entirety of the D-line being bullied into the end zone and the idiotic play call to have Olu snap directly to Walker on his, what, third or fourth play of the game? It just seemed to sum up this season in so many ways. I am glad we lost - we need that taste in our mouth for motivation and change it seems.
I am a basketball player so football scheme is something I’m learning but I do know this: if your team is short and their team is tall you don’t play man coverage - the mismatches make for a long day. If your team is fast and they are slow, you take advantage of it on fast breaks and pushing the ball. Etc etc etc. There are a million of these “schemes” that you play to your strengths and weaknesses depending on the opponent, who is having a good day, score/time left in game, etc.
On defense my observation all season has been that we look like we are two steps behind every play. That we are flat footed on the backside (pick a position) and we just generally look lost, surprised or disconnected. If the breakdown is one person on this play, then it’s the next guy on the next play and then the next guy and the next guy. We appear to be BREAKING all over the field every week because we are incapable of truly stopping any offense. It just seems like we are flat out unprepared, disjointed and lost on whose responsibility “that was”. My frustration has been singularly focused on individual effort this year - so many different plays where I am just screaming WTF are we doing!?! but maybe it’s not the players so much as the schemes we are trying to implement? Are we putting our guys in positions to succeed or is our “Philosophy” overexposing our roster weaknesses? If I knew we played straight up man on every play and we never changed our “Mano e Mano” philosophy and were constantly being bullied game in and game out, that “quit” in you comes to light when you know you’re not in a good position to begin with. quite a few times this season I have seen our guys on d roll their eyes/heads after a play or not take a teammates hand to get up. Maybe there was something to KJ calling out our lack of leadership.
I just don’t understand why we look SO unprepared and disjointed so often throughout games. At what point is the “vision” the problem and not the “execution”? Is the team skeptical of that approach because they already know they are in a bad spot to begin with?
This year felt like such a waste of potential - if we are young like they say we are then it’s coaching that has to shine on those performances and those guys being put in good positions to succeed, right? Tomlin had a pair of bench safeties who didn’t throw the game for them yesterday, McVay has mustered a wild card run with a roster no one believed in, and Arizona is dropping W’s on teams they have no business even thinking they could beat.
I don’t know anymore but the amount of suck this year has made me want to stop watching our team. It’s hard to get excited about the future. I hope that whatever motivates us to change “it” we find it in these next few months because the sum of our parts is shite right now. Who steps up and puts it together before we waste years trying to implement or copy something that was over, a decade ago.
Defense: You can’t count on DBs to stop the run, especially if (1) your best corners are either small or finesse guys or both and (2) your best run-stopping safety is on the IR and a shell of his former self. But that’s what happens when injuries at LB leave you small, inexperienced, and old at the position. When Nwosu and Brooks were both healthy (bad luck that neither are) and Wagner was fresh (can’t plan on that), this team defended the rush with success. Starting with Philly and Tennessee, the defense was reduced to conceding run yards to contain big plays. The string ran out today.
Offense: The QB can be effective when all goes swimmingly. He struggles when adversity strikes, like losing the starters at center and right tackle. As good as Walker and Metcalf can are, they can’t carry a banged-up line and a fragile QB on their own. Am I the only one who thinks that the staff has lost confidence in the number 2 back?
Coaching: Pete has called better games. We criticize what we see in front of us and all of that gets amplified on social media. (Imagine the angst right now at SDB.) But there is no substitute for health and execution. Intact, these will overcome all; right now, Seattle has neither. What I have no feel for is how much of the poor execution is due to coaching and talent and how much is due to inexperience, injuries, and discontinuity. I am certain that the defense is getting exposed at LB and that eventually there’s no scheming past that. I’m pretty sure that having to start ten different offensive linemen over the course of the season is not a good thing.
12th Man: I can’t remember such a listless crowd. It’s like they knew what was coming.
My take comes from 50+ years as an NFL fan. On pro-footballrefence.com look up the likes of Jack Concannon, Eric Hipple, and Jon Kitna. They are the comps of their eras for Geni: guys that were okay pros but not good enough to elevate their teams, which in turn were not good enough to outperform the QB.
As for who in the NFC is better, I’m pretty sure that--all other things being equal--Schneider would jump at offers of Prescott, Hurts, Goff, Cousins, Purdy, Stafford, Murray, or Young for Smith.
Right. I was thinking differently, which I could have been clearer about. The question for me is always “Is the QB good enough to consistently take a well-constructed roster deep into the postseason?” Another way I put it to myself: “Is the QB at least as good as Matt Hasselbeck?” — a sort of threshold I keep in the back of my mind. I don’t see Geno as anywhere near as good as Hasselbeck, and I doubt that he’s good enough to be QB for a team that can consistently compete with other playoff-caliber teams.
Doesn’t mean that the Hawks move on from him—as you point out, there are many worse alternatives. But absent an historically great defense, Smith isn’t taking any team to the SB.
That is funny - I have hasslebeck as the comp. Pocket passer, accurate. The different is Matt played with an all time OT and Guard along with an mvp in Shaun Alexander
Geno on that team would be deadly.
He has been playing great behind one of the worst lines in the nfl.
Hasselbeck had elite touch on his passes, was an outstanding decision-maker, and had a commanding presence. He didn’t have a howitzer arm, which kept him from A-list status.
Your 12th Man observation is exactly what I mean about the difference between Geno and Drew. Neither is better than the other as QB, it's the energy each generates for the fans.
It's interesting to note that last year Seattle went to a 3-4 defense. The designers of that was the new coordinator Cliff Hurtt and Sean Desai. This year Desai went to The Eagles as the Defensive Coordinator and was replaced by Matt Patricia just before the Seahawk game. Last year Philly had the 8th ranked defense and are now ranked the 24th. Seattle went from 25th to 20th this year with a pretty good infusion of talent the last two years. I rest my case.
Whether to keep 3-4 or return to 4-3 is a decision for the offseason. Go 4-3 and you bring in a new defensive staff. As far as yesterday goes, though, a 4-3 would still have left the defense with Wagner, Bush, and Hall at LB. I’m unconvinced that the outcome would have been much different.
Pete needs to commit to what he believes in! Get a new staff that believes in a 4/3 ? modified - Yeah -yeah and what works for the personnel you have Too-also-- Dallas is whom they are because of the D -Who's that- Need new people that get it!
There was some bad luck today like losing that fumble by Pickens to MJ because his foot just hit the out of bounds line. I thought the challenge was valid because it was very close to out of bounds on the 7 which would have been a 4th down. Apparently not enough to overturn. Obviously their OL was way better than our DL, we need a heavy at nose tackle.I’m just hoping the Cardinals will be over confident and lay an egg. The Bears looked good I think they can beat the Packers.
I think the 'trust in Pete and John' has to finally stop. Their formula for success worked once, and has been unsuccessful ever since.
They had two stellar drafts in 2011 and 2012, traded for Beast Mode, and that... has... been... it.
After that, each draft produced one or two players that had value per year.
Pete does not know how to draft and build defensive lines. Reed and Q Jefferson are the only draft choices to contribute in the league. Think about that. Two guys in a dozen years.
We replaced Q Jeff, Al Woods, Poona Ford, and Shelby Harris with Dre'Mont Jones, Reed, Leonard Williams, Mario Edwards, Cameron Young. The results have been worse!
Meanwhile, we let a true difference maker tackle pass by, and not draft one until the 4th round.
As many know, I believe that Geno is unapologetically a very good NFL QB.
That was true again today.
And that actually sucks. Because it would be much easier to blame the QB. The reality is that the defense is very bad. I said after the titans game, that was a bad performance (points in a game is irrelevant, points per drive is).
Where do we go from here?
If you want to go the excuse route, the team hasn’t had a bye since week 5 (I think) and Lenard Williams hasn’t had a bye the whole year! They are tired. I can buy into that a little.
But, we had one goal after the niner game last year: and that was to fix the run defense and D line.
That is a problem and has been been a problem pretty much since the Cincy game imo. Thought they did ok verse the Niners actually.
All in all, football is wild and that game will put heat on some seats.
I wish it were the QB, that would be an easier solution, but unfortunately he has played at a high level.
We are still a better team this year than last years' team. We have played a lot of very competitive teams and are 8--8 playing a tough schedule. This team with last years' schedule would have ended up 12--5 probably. At least 11-6.
What this game taught me is that you are correct about our need for another quality tackle. Our next biggest need is one more interior defensive tackle, and a modern two-way LB. Or two. Though our own reserves may be able to compete for the job.
The good news is that we will get a third place teams' schedule next year and will be able to compete for a decent playoff spot. This year, we might not deserve a spot, but that will depend on a bit of luck and some effort to win the next game against a decent Cardinals' team.
Agree re LB. There may be more stability there than it seems, depending on how Hall progresses and whether they re-sign Brooks. Nwosu has been sorely missed, and he’ll be back next year. A starting group of Nwosu-Brooks-Hall is not a disaster waiting to happen if Hall grows in his second year. LB depth is an issue no matter what, though.
If you look back at the best O-line the Hawks has ever had - it didn't really get there until they traded for Robbie Tobeck! They had the best O-line in football from center to the left with Toebeck, Hutch and Walter! Then Chris Gray and (I always forget) Locklear were Ok, Gray actually better than what people said. ANYWAY - point is it really didn't start to work until they had that leader at the Center - that Studies more, understands better, and is just that leader of what other than QB is the most important part of the offensive side of the ball! Way more important than the so-called skill players, IF you want a consistent winning team!
I must respectfully non-concur with your assessment of biggest need, unless you were implicitly limiting your fine self to "draft need".
Our biggest need is for a competent tackling coach. Preferably, one who does not rely on "bump" tackling but knows how to safely wrap & hang on. And can teach it. Even BWagz sometimes looked today like he'd given up on the idea.
I lost track of how many times I spotted blue-clad arms that couldn't hang on to ankles today. Clearly, all the way through high school and college, some of these guys have either 1) never learned how to tackle at all or 2) been negatively trained since they joined the NFL.
Another thing that drove me crazy (short trip, I know) was that goal line stand where BWagz was the only Seahawk actually lined up to resist the run. I saw at least two 'hawks who were actually helping to push the Steeler into the end zone, and two others who were just kind of squeezing in from the sides.
If I get you right, you mean another O-tackle. YES, Cause health has been such an issue- But what they really need is a stud center. Every good team has a center that is the center of the O-line! Leads, and is the manster of the interior! They can get Olu or Bradford to mature at RG ,yes add another tackle for comp and health- But give me that stud center and we start to get things done! At least on Offense!
This year has been a complete and total write off. I can't think of another season where even the wins are frustrating and disappointing because of the inconsistencies, disjointedness, and overall lack of preparedness/ planning and with respect to the coaching SKILL. Has anybody seen one game this season where the 2023 Seahawks have played 60 minutes of sound, well played fb???
I think for there to be any kind of change in performance for next year it starts with the coaches. Both Hurt and Waldron have shown an inability to ADJUST throughout the game and need to go. If you look at a team like the Ravens today you could see how they ADJUSTED to the platy of Miami and executed a plan to take the upper hand in that contest, I don't think the coaching staff of the Seahawks have the skill or knowledge to be able to do that within a game.
Especially on D- Waldron "might be able to grow" maybe, but Pete needs to believe he can mature or move on! But on D it has not been getting better at all for two and half years! Although points are down, They haven't actually improved, with many added pieces! Today was as embarrassing as it can get! My biggest question is WHY does it take a half or more to start adjusting in every game, and first off why are they always seemingly behind the eight ball from the get go??? Every team seems to have our number for the first half, WHY! That is COACHING!
They need to open the offense up over the middle more, which they actually did some today! But it should be at least half of the O instead of like 30%- I would use it 60% and the out passes which are more dangerous in many respects about 40%- And get your O-line into a frenzy and RUN the ball!
“You can’t tackle”, “You can’t get out of your own way with penalties”, “You. are prone to busted coverages”, “You make bad decisions with challenges and timeouts”, and “You just might not be a deserving playoff team this season”.
Almost or all of these accurate comments from SSJ point to coaching. I would add " your team is not fired up or playing with passion". It felt like only one team wanted to win at all costs, and it wasn't ours. The team was flat, and the stadium was flat, at least compared to the past. I think Hurtt definitely needs to go, and probably Waldron too. And who hires those guys? HC right? I have always supported PC, but might be time for some new blood all around.
My instant reaction, a few days after the game: we got manhandled just like the Baltimore game, we're poorly coached, no fire in the gut when it mattered most, and WE CANNOT TACKLE. Time for a reset for sure.
I believe I have the answer to your question Wolfe. Do you believe Coach speak or you’re lying eyes?
Iss it me or does it seem Geno holds the ball too long and is not decisive when he is pressured?
If he has a pocket and has time he plays great and has a pretty ball.
Play calling is horrid. Yes the pass opens up the run.
After watching this catastrophe, If we make the playoffs, we will be embarrassed by the 49ers again. I hope we stay home.
Do you have to be a nuclear physist to remember the freaking snap count? In high school we were taught to tackle to square up and wrap up. I. guess that isn't taught to the Hawks anymore.
On my pre game post I wrote that the Steelers would run the ball down our throats, win the time of possession battle and we couldn't win if we had a turn over. Done, done and done. This not a playoff team!
My New Year wishes: Say a fond farewell to Adam's, Eskridge, Clark, Brown, Bradford, Dissly, Geno , Diggs ( if he doesn't take a pay cut )Taylor and especially to OC Waldron and DC Hurtt.
Hope for a better New Year for us Hawk fans.
In a make or break game for the Seahawks, they were beaten by a pretty good But not great Steelers team. Are the Seahawks a good team that just needs tweaking or are they just a very average team.?I think most of us can agree that they are not a great team.
The great teams or The ones that are on the edge seem to have one common denominator.
They have great coaching and a upper echelon quarterback..IMHO we have neither, until that changes nothing will change..
I'm now rooting against he Seahawks making the playoffs. There need to be major changes in the coaching staff this off-season and I'm afraid a pointless playoff berth would only make those changes less likely. Of course, Jodi Allen probably won't fire Pete, so maybe the needed changes are unlikely to come about in any circumstance. Just such a frustrating time to be a Seahawks fan.
The three plays that stood out to me today were Riq getting Thanosed, the entirety of the D-line being bullied into the end zone and the idiotic play call to have Olu snap directly to Walker on his, what, third or fourth play of the game? It just seemed to sum up this season in so many ways. I am glad we lost - we need that taste in our mouth for motivation and change it seems.
I am a basketball player so football scheme is something I’m learning but I do know this: if your team is short and their team is tall you don’t play man coverage - the mismatches make for a long day. If your team is fast and they are slow, you take advantage of it on fast breaks and pushing the ball. Etc etc etc. There are a million of these “schemes” that you play to your strengths and weaknesses depending on the opponent, who is having a good day, score/time left in game, etc.
On defense my observation all season has been that we look like we are two steps behind every play. That we are flat footed on the backside (pick a position) and we just generally look lost, surprised or disconnected. If the breakdown is one person on this play, then it’s the next guy on the next play and then the next guy and the next guy. We appear to be BREAKING all over the field every week because we are incapable of truly stopping any offense. It just seems like we are flat out unprepared, disjointed and lost on whose responsibility “that was”. My frustration has been singularly focused on individual effort this year - so many different plays where I am just screaming WTF are we doing!?! but maybe it’s not the players so much as the schemes we are trying to implement? Are we putting our guys in positions to succeed or is our “Philosophy” overexposing our roster weaknesses? If I knew we played straight up man on every play and we never changed our “Mano e Mano” philosophy and were constantly being bullied game in and game out, that “quit” in you comes to light when you know you’re not in a good position to begin with. quite a few times this season I have seen our guys on d roll their eyes/heads after a play or not take a teammates hand to get up. Maybe there was something to KJ calling out our lack of leadership.
I just don’t understand why we look SO unprepared and disjointed so often throughout games. At what point is the “vision” the problem and not the “execution”? Is the team skeptical of that approach because they already know they are in a bad spot to begin with?
This year felt like such a waste of potential - if we are young like they say we are then it’s coaching that has to shine on those performances and those guys being put in good positions to succeed, right? Tomlin had a pair of bench safeties who didn’t throw the game for them yesterday, McVay has mustered a wild card run with a roster no one believed in, and Arizona is dropping W’s on teams they have no business even thinking they could beat.
I don’t know anymore but the amount of suck this year has made me want to stop watching our team. It’s hard to get excited about the future. I hope that whatever motivates us to change “it” we find it in these next few months because the sum of our parts is shite right now. Who steps up and puts it together before we waste years trying to implement or copy something that was over, a decade ago.
Disappointing loss as now need to win AND rely on help from other results. But hopefully bounce back with a win in the final week!
Dream on!
Totally agree, next years draft picks more important for this team than a win in Cardinal land.
Defense: You can’t count on DBs to stop the run, especially if (1) your best corners are either small or finesse guys or both and (2) your best run-stopping safety is on the IR and a shell of his former self. But that’s what happens when injuries at LB leave you small, inexperienced, and old at the position. When Nwosu and Brooks were both healthy (bad luck that neither are) and Wagner was fresh (can’t plan on that), this team defended the rush with success. Starting with Philly and Tennessee, the defense was reduced to conceding run yards to contain big plays. The string ran out today.
Offense: The QB can be effective when all goes swimmingly. He struggles when adversity strikes, like losing the starters at center and right tackle. As good as Walker and Metcalf can are, they can’t carry a banged-up line and a fragile QB on their own. Am I the only one who thinks that the staff has lost confidence in the number 2 back?
Coaching: Pete has called better games. We criticize what we see in front of us and all of that gets amplified on social media. (Imagine the angst right now at SDB.) But there is no substitute for health and execution. Intact, these will overcome all; right now, Seattle has neither. What I have no feel for is how much of the poor execution is due to coaching and talent and how much is due to inexperience, injuries, and discontinuity. I am certain that the defense is getting exposed at LB and that eventually there’s no scheming past that. I’m pretty sure that having to start ten different offensive linemen over the course of the season is not a good thing.
12th Man: I can’t remember such a listless crowd. It’s like they knew what was coming.
I think you have sharp comments. So my question to you: who are better QBs than Geno in the NFC?
We’ve seen Purdy without his tackle and he is no where near Geno.
Dak is not good on the road (I think didn’t look it up)
Hurts maybe hurt this year but hasn’t been good.
Stafford better.
Kyler better probably.
So 2 QBs are better in NFC? What do you think?
Kyler
My take comes from 50+ years as an NFL fan. On pro-footballrefence.com look up the likes of Jack Concannon, Eric Hipple, and Jon Kitna. They are the comps of their eras for Geni: guys that were okay pros but not good enough to elevate their teams, which in turn were not good enough to outperform the QB.
As for who in the NFC is better, I’m pretty sure that--all other things being equal--Schneider would jump at offers of Prescott, Hurts, Goff, Cousins, Purdy, Stafford, Murray, or Young for Smith.
Should’ve clarified: the comparison to NFC QBs is just this year irregardless of age and contract. Just purely skill based.
Right. I was thinking differently, which I could have been clearer about. The question for me is always “Is the QB good enough to consistently take a well-constructed roster deep into the postseason?” Another way I put it to myself: “Is the QB at least as good as Matt Hasselbeck?” — a sort of threshold I keep in the back of my mind. I don’t see Geno as anywhere near as good as Hasselbeck, and I doubt that he’s good enough to be QB for a team that can consistently compete with other playoff-caliber teams.
Doesn’t mean that the Hawks move on from him—as you point out, there are many worse alternatives. But absent an historically great defense, Smith isn’t taking any team to the SB.
That is funny - I have hasslebeck as the comp. Pocket passer, accurate. The different is Matt played with an all time OT and Guard along with an mvp in Shaun Alexander
Geno on that team would be deadly.
He has been playing great behind one of the worst lines in the nfl.
We just disagree - which is fine no qualms.
Hasselbeck had elite touch on his passes, was an outstanding decision-maker, and had a commanding presence. He didn’t have a howitzer arm, which kept him from A-list status.
Your 12th Man observation is exactly what I mean about the difference between Geno and Drew. Neither is better than the other as QB, it's the energy each generates for the fans.
It's interesting to note that last year Seattle went to a 3-4 defense. The designers of that was the new coordinator Cliff Hurtt and Sean Desai. This year Desai went to The Eagles as the Defensive Coordinator and was replaced by Matt Patricia just before the Seahawk game. Last year Philly had the 8th ranked defense and are now ranked the 24th. Seattle went from 25th to 20th this year with a pretty good infusion of talent the last two years. I rest my case.
Whether to keep 3-4 or return to 4-3 is a decision for the offseason. Go 4-3 and you bring in a new defensive staff. As far as yesterday goes, though, a 4-3 would still have left the defense with Wagner, Bush, and Hall at LB. I’m unconvinced that the outcome would have been much different.
I think there’s something to that
Pete needs to commit to what he believes in! Get a new staff that believes in a 4/3 ? modified - Yeah -yeah and what works for the personnel you have Too-also-- Dallas is whom they are because of the D -Who's that- Need new people that get it!
I keep saying the same things, It seems that others are finally listening-
There was some bad luck today like losing that fumble by Pickens to MJ because his foot just hit the out of bounds line. I thought the challenge was valid because it was very close to out of bounds on the 7 which would have been a 4th down. Apparently not enough to overturn. Obviously their OL was way better than our DL, we need a heavy at nose tackle.I’m just hoping the Cardinals will be over confident and lay an egg. The Bears looked good I think they can beat the Packers.
Unless the Rams lose, we are out.
The challenge didn’t make any difference one way or another anyway.
Oh and Bo Melton, our 6th round wide receiver pick in our great 2022 draft, scored his first NFL touchdown today... for the Packers.
I think the 'trust in Pete and John' has to finally stop. Their formula for success worked once, and has been unsuccessful ever since.
They had two stellar drafts in 2011 and 2012, traded for Beast Mode, and that... has... been... it.
After that, each draft produced one or two players that had value per year.
Pete does not know how to draft and build defensive lines. Reed and Q Jefferson are the only draft choices to contribute in the league. Think about that. Two guys in a dozen years.
We replaced Q Jeff, Al Woods, Poona Ford, and Shelby Harris with Dre'Mont Jones, Reed, Leonard Williams, Mario Edwards, Cameron Young. The results have been worse!
Meanwhile, we let a true difference maker tackle pass by, and not draft one until the 4th round.
What's left to replace?
I'm ready to move on from Pete.
As many know, I believe that Geno is unapologetically a very good NFL QB.
That was true again today.
And that actually sucks. Because it would be much easier to blame the QB. The reality is that the defense is very bad. I said after the titans game, that was a bad performance (points in a game is irrelevant, points per drive is).
Where do we go from here?
If you want to go the excuse route, the team hasn’t had a bye since week 5 (I think) and Lenard Williams hasn’t had a bye the whole year! They are tired. I can buy into that a little.
But, we had one goal after the niner game last year: and that was to fix the run defense and D line.
That is a problem and has been been a problem pretty much since the Cincy game imo. Thought they did ok verse the Niners actually.
All in all, football is wild and that game will put heat on some seats.
I wish it were the QB, that would be an easier solution, but unfortunately he has played at a high level.
This was a tough one for the D. 😔
Go hawks
We are still a better team this year than last years' team. We have played a lot of very competitive teams and are 8--8 playing a tough schedule. This team with last years' schedule would have ended up 12--5 probably. At least 11-6.
What this game taught me is that you are correct about our need for another quality tackle. Our next biggest need is one more interior defensive tackle, and a modern two-way LB. Or two. Though our own reserves may be able to compete for the job.
The good news is that we will get a third place teams' schedule next year and will be able to compete for a decent playoff spot. This year, we might not deserve a spot, but that will depend on a bit of luck and some effort to win the next game against a decent Cardinals' team.
Agree re LB. There may be more stability there than it seems, depending on how Hall progresses and whether they re-sign Brooks. Nwosu has been sorely missed, and he’ll be back next year. A starting group of Nwosu-Brooks-Hall is not a disaster waiting to happen if Hall grows in his second year. LB depth is an issue no matter what, though.
If you look back at the best O-line the Hawks has ever had - it didn't really get there until they traded for Robbie Tobeck! They had the best O-line in football from center to the left with Toebeck, Hutch and Walter! Then Chris Gray and (I always forget) Locklear were Ok, Gray actually better than what people said. ANYWAY - point is it really didn't start to work until they had that leader at the Center - that Studies more, understands better, and is just that leader of what other than QB is the most important part of the offensive side of the ball! Way more important than the so-called skill players, IF you want a consistent winning team!
Pete doesn't seem to believe in the utmost importance of starting in the trenches, Creed Humphrey case in point.
I must respectfully non-concur with your assessment of biggest need, unless you were implicitly limiting your fine self to "draft need".
Our biggest need is for a competent tackling coach. Preferably, one who does not rely on "bump" tackling but knows how to safely wrap & hang on. And can teach it. Even BWagz sometimes looked today like he'd given up on the idea.
I lost track of how many times I spotted blue-clad arms that couldn't hang on to ankles today. Clearly, all the way through high school and college, some of these guys have either 1) never learned how to tackle at all or 2) been negatively trained since they joined the NFL.
Another thing that drove me crazy (short trip, I know) was that goal line stand where BWagz was the only Seahawk actually lined up to resist the run. I saw at least two 'hawks who were actually helping to push the Steeler into the end zone, and two others who were just kind of squeezing in from the sides.
If I get you right, you mean another O-tackle. YES, Cause health has been such an issue- But what they really need is a stud center. Every good team has a center that is the center of the O-line! Leads, and is the manster of the interior! They can get Olu or Bradford to mature at RG ,yes add another tackle for comp and health- But give me that stud center and we start to get things done! At least on Offense!
Amen. Worst trade was Unger for Graham @
Players who have started at center under PCJS:
2010: Chris Spencer (15), Max Unger (1)
2011: Unger (15), ? (1)
2012: Unger (16)
2013: Unger (13), Lemuel Jeanpierre (3)
2014: Unger (6), Patrick Lewis (4), Jeanpierre (3), Stephen Schilling (3)
2015: Lewis (9), Drew Nowak (7)
2016: Justin Britt (15), Joey Hunt (1)
2017: Britt (16)
2018: Britt (15), Hunt (1)
2019: Britt (8), Hunt (8)
2020: Ethan Pocic (14), Kyle Fuller (1), ? (1)
2021: Pocic (10), Fuller (7)
2022: Austin Blythe (17)
2023: Evan Brown (15), Oluwatimi (1)
A stud would be great; continuity is a must. Hopefully, Oluwatimi can provide that going forward.
This year has been a complete and total write off. I can't think of another season where even the wins are frustrating and disappointing because of the inconsistencies, disjointedness, and overall lack of preparedness/ planning and with respect to the coaching SKILL. Has anybody seen one game this season where the 2023 Seahawks have played 60 minutes of sound, well played fb???
I think for there to be any kind of change in performance for next year it starts with the coaches. Both Hurt and Waldron have shown an inability to ADJUST throughout the game and need to go. If you look at a team like the Ravens today you could see how they ADJUSTED to the platy of Miami and executed a plan to take the upper hand in that contest, I don't think the coaching staff of the Seahawks have the skill or knowledge to be able to do that within a game.
Especially on D- Waldron "might be able to grow" maybe, but Pete needs to believe he can mature or move on! But on D it has not been getting better at all for two and half years! Although points are down, They haven't actually improved, with many added pieces! Today was as embarrassing as it can get! My biggest question is WHY does it take a half or more to start adjusting in every game, and first off why are they always seemingly behind the eight ball from the get go??? Every team seems to have our number for the first half, WHY! That is COACHING!
They need to open the offense up over the middle more, which they actually did some today! But it should be at least half of the O instead of like 30%- I would use it 60% and the out passes which are more dangerous in many respects about 40%- And get your O-line into a frenzy and RUN the ball!