“You can’t tackle”, “You can’t get out of your own way with penalties”, “You. are prone to busted coverages”, “You make bad decisions with challenges and timeouts”, and “You just might not be a deserving playoff team this season”.
Almost or all of these accurate comments from SSJ point to coaching. I would add " your team is not fired up or playing with passion". It felt like only one team wanted to win at all costs, and it wasn't ours. The team was flat, and the stadium was flat, at least compared to the past. I think Hurtt definitely needs to go, and probably Waldron too. And who hires those guys? HC right? I have always supported PC, but might be time for some new blood all around.
My instant reaction, a few days after the game: we got manhandled just like the Baltimore game, we're poorly coached, no fire in the gut when it mattered most, and WE CANNOT TACKLE. Time for a reset for sure.
After watching this catastrophe, If we make the playoffs, we will be embarrassed by the 49ers again. I hope we stay home.
Do you have to be a nuclear physist to remember the freaking snap count? In high school we were taught to tackle to square up and wrap up. I. guess that isn't taught to the Hawks anymore.
On my pre game post I wrote that the Steelers would run the ball down our throats, win the time of possession battle and we couldn't win if we had a turn over. Done, done and done. This not a playoff team!
My New Year wishes: Say a fond farewell to Adam's, Eskridge, Clark, Brown, Bradford, Dissly, Geno , Diggs ( if he doesn't take a pay cut )Taylor and especially to OC Waldron and DC Hurtt.
In a make or break game for the Seahawks, they were beaten by a pretty good But not great Steelers team. Are the Seahawks a good team that just needs tweaking or are they just a very average team.?I think most of us can agree that they are not a great team.
The great teams or The ones that are on the edge seem to have one common denominator.
They have great coaching and a upper echelon quarterback..IMHO we have neither, until that changes nothing will change..
I'm now rooting against he Seahawks making the playoffs. There need to be major changes in the coaching staff this off-season and I'm afraid a pointless playoff berth would only make those changes less likely. Of course, Jodi Allen probably won't fire Pete, so maybe the needed changes are unlikely to come about in any circumstance. Just such a frustrating time to be a Seahawks fan.
The three plays that stood out to me today were Riq getting Thanosed, the entirety of the D-line being bullied into the end zone and the idiotic play call to have Olu snap directly to Walker on his, what, third or fourth play of the game? It just seemed to sum up this season in so many ways. I am glad we lost - we need that taste in our mouth for motivation and change it seems.
I am a basketball player so football scheme is something I’m learning but I do know this: if your team is short and their team is tall you don’t play man coverage - the mismatches make for a long day. If your team is fast and they are slow, you take advantage of it on fast breaks and pushing the ball. Etc etc etc. There are a million of these “schemes” that you play to your strengths and weaknesses depending on the opponent, who is having a good day, score/time left in game, etc.
On defense my observation all season has been that we look like we are two steps behind every play. That we are flat footed on the backside (pick a position) and we just generally look lost, surprised or disconnected. If the breakdown is one person on this play, then it’s the next guy on the next play and then the next guy and the next guy. We appear to be BREAKING all over the field every week because we are incapable of truly stopping any offense. It just seems like we are flat out unprepared, disjointed and lost on whose responsibility “that was”. My frustration has been singularly focused on individual effort this year - so many different plays where I am just screaming WTF are we doing!?! but maybe it’s not the players so much as the schemes we are trying to implement? Are we putting our guys in positions to succeed or is our “Philosophy” overexposing our roster weaknesses? If I knew we played straight up man on every play and we never changed our “Mano e Mano” philosophy and were constantly being bullied game in and game out, that “quit” in you comes to light when you know you’re not in a good position to begin with. quite a few times this season I have seen our guys on d roll their eyes/heads after a play or not take a teammates hand to get up. Maybe there was something to KJ calling out our lack of leadership.
I just don’t understand why we look SO unprepared and disjointed so often throughout games. At what point is the “vision” the problem and not the “execution”? Is the team skeptical of that approach because they already know they are in a bad spot to begin with?
This year felt like such a waste of potential - if we are young like they say we are then it’s coaching that has to shine on those performances and those guys being put in good positions to succeed, right? Tomlin had a pair of bench safeties who didn’t throw the game for them yesterday, McVay has mustered a wild card run with a roster no one believed in, and Arizona is dropping W’s on teams they have no business even thinking they could beat.
I don’t know anymore but the amount of suck this year has made me want to stop watching our team. It’s hard to get excited about the future. I hope that whatever motivates us to change “it” we find it in these next few months because the sum of our parts is shite right now. Who steps up and puts it together before we waste years trying to implement or copy something that was over, a decade ago.
Defense: You can’t count on DBs to stop the run, especially if (1) your best corners are either small or finesse guys or both and (2) your best run-stopping safety is on the IR and a shell of his former self. But that’s what happens when injuries at LB leave you small, inexperienced, and old at the position. When Nwosu and Brooks were both healthy (bad luck that neither are) and Wagner was fresh (can’t plan on that), this team defended the rush with success. Starting with Philly and Tennessee, the defense was reduced to conceding run yards to contain big plays. The string ran out today.
Offense: The QB can be effective when all goes swimmingly. He struggles when adversity strikes, like losing the starters at center and right tackle. As good as Walker and Metcalf can are, they can’t carry a banged-up line and a fragile QB on their own. Am I the only one who thinks that the staff has lost confidence in the number 2 back?
Coaching: Pete has called better games. We criticize what we see in front of us and all of that gets amplified on social media. (Imagine the angst right now at SDB.) But there is no substitute for health and execution. Intact, these will overcome all; right now, Seattle has neither. What I have no feel for is how much of the poor execution is due to coaching and talent and how much is due to inexperience, injuries, and discontinuity. I am certain that the defense is getting exposed at LB and that eventually there’s no scheming past that. I’m pretty sure that having to start ten different offensive linemen over the course of the season is not a good thing.
12th Man: I can’t remember such a listless crowd. It’s like they knew what was coming.
It's interesting to note that last year Seattle went to a 3-4 defense. The designers of that was the new coordinator Cliff Hurtt and Sean Desai. This year Desai went to The Eagles as the Defensive Coordinator and was replaced by Matt Patricia just before the Seahawk game. Last year Philly had the 8th ranked defense and are now ranked the 24th. Seattle went from 25th to 20th this year with a pretty good infusion of talent the last two years. I rest my case.
There was some bad luck today like losing that fumble by Pickens to MJ because his foot just hit the out of bounds line. I thought the challenge was valid because it was very close to out of bounds on the 7 which would have been a 4th down. Apparently not enough to overturn. Obviously their OL was way better than our DL, we need a heavy at nose tackle.I’m just hoping the Cardinals will be over confident and lay an egg. The Bears looked good I think they can beat the Packers.
I think the 'trust in Pete and John' has to finally stop. Their formula for success worked once, and has been unsuccessful ever since.
They had two stellar drafts in 2011 and 2012, traded for Beast Mode, and that... has... been... it.
After that, each draft produced one or two players that had value per year.
Pete does not know how to draft and build defensive lines. Reed and Q Jefferson are the only draft choices to contribute in the league. Think about that. Two guys in a dozen years.
We replaced Q Jeff, Al Woods, Poona Ford, and Shelby Harris with Dre'Mont Jones, Reed, Leonard Williams, Mario Edwards, Cameron Young. The results have been worse!
Meanwhile, we let a true difference maker tackle pass by, and not draft one until the 4th round.
As many know, I believe that Geno is unapologetically a very good NFL QB.
That was true again today.
And that actually sucks. Because it would be much easier to blame the QB. The reality is that the defense is very bad. I said after the titans game, that was a bad performance (points in a game is irrelevant, points per drive is).
Where do we go from here?
If you want to go the excuse route, the team hasn’t had a bye since week 5 (I think) and Lenard Williams hasn’t had a bye the whole year! They are tired. I can buy into that a little.
But, we had one goal after the niner game last year: and that was to fix the run defense and D line.
That is a problem and has been been a problem pretty much since the Cincy game imo. Thought they did ok verse the Niners actually.
All in all, football is wild and that game will put heat on some seats.
I wish it were the QB, that would be an easier solution, but unfortunately he has played at a high level.
We are still a better team this year than last years' team. We have played a lot of very competitive teams and are 8--8 playing a tough schedule. This team with last years' schedule would have ended up 12--5 probably. At least 11-6.
What this game taught me is that you are correct about our need for another quality tackle. Our next biggest need is one more interior defensive tackle, and a modern two-way LB. Or two. Though our own reserves may be able to compete for the job.
The good news is that we will get a third place teams' schedule next year and will be able to compete for a decent playoff spot. This year, we might not deserve a spot, but that will depend on a bit of luck and some effort to win the next game against a decent Cardinals' team.
This year has been a complete and total write off. I can't think of another season where even the wins are frustrating and disappointing because of the inconsistencies, disjointedness, and overall lack of preparedness/ planning and with respect to the coaching SKILL. Has anybody seen one game this season where the 2023 Seahawks have played 60 minutes of sound, well played fb???
I think for there to be any kind of change in performance for next year it starts with the coaches. Both Hurt and Waldron have shown an inability to ADJUST throughout the game and need to go. If you look at a team like the Ravens today you could see how they ADJUSTED to the platy of Miami and executed a plan to take the upper hand in that contest, I don't think the coaching staff of the Seahawks have the skill or knowledge to be able to do that within a game.
“You can’t tackle”, “You can’t get out of your own way with penalties”, “You. are prone to busted coverages”, “You make bad decisions with challenges and timeouts”, and “You just might not be a deserving playoff team this season”.
Almost or all of these accurate comments from SSJ point to coaching. I would add " your team is not fired up or playing with passion". It felt like only one team wanted to win at all costs, and it wasn't ours. The team was flat, and the stadium was flat, at least compared to the past. I think Hurtt definitely needs to go, and probably Waldron too. And who hires those guys? HC right? I have always supported PC, but might be time for some new blood all around.
My instant reaction, a few days after the game: we got manhandled just like the Baltimore game, we're poorly coached, no fire in the gut when it mattered most, and WE CANNOT TACKLE. Time for a reset for sure.
I believe I have the answer to your question Wolfe. Do you believe Coach speak or you’re lying eyes?
Iss it me or does it seem Geno holds the ball too long and is not decisive when he is pressured?
If he has a pocket and has time he plays great and has a pretty ball.
Play calling is horrid. Yes the pass opens up the run.
After watching this catastrophe, If we make the playoffs, we will be embarrassed by the 49ers again. I hope we stay home.
Do you have to be a nuclear physist to remember the freaking snap count? In high school we were taught to tackle to square up and wrap up. I. guess that isn't taught to the Hawks anymore.
On my pre game post I wrote that the Steelers would run the ball down our throats, win the time of possession battle and we couldn't win if we had a turn over. Done, done and done. This not a playoff team!
My New Year wishes: Say a fond farewell to Adam's, Eskridge, Clark, Brown, Bradford, Dissly, Geno , Diggs ( if he doesn't take a pay cut )Taylor and especially to OC Waldron and DC Hurtt.
Hope for a better New Year for us Hawk fans.
In a make or break game for the Seahawks, they were beaten by a pretty good But not great Steelers team. Are the Seahawks a good team that just needs tweaking or are they just a very average team.?I think most of us can agree that they are not a great team.
The great teams or The ones that are on the edge seem to have one common denominator.
They have great coaching and a upper echelon quarterback..IMHO we have neither, until that changes nothing will change..
I'm now rooting against he Seahawks making the playoffs. There need to be major changes in the coaching staff this off-season and I'm afraid a pointless playoff berth would only make those changes less likely. Of course, Jodi Allen probably won't fire Pete, so maybe the needed changes are unlikely to come about in any circumstance. Just such a frustrating time to be a Seahawks fan.
The three plays that stood out to me today were Riq getting Thanosed, the entirety of the D-line being bullied into the end zone and the idiotic play call to have Olu snap directly to Walker on his, what, third or fourth play of the game? It just seemed to sum up this season in so many ways. I am glad we lost - we need that taste in our mouth for motivation and change it seems.
I am a basketball player so football scheme is something I’m learning but I do know this: if your team is short and their team is tall you don’t play man coverage - the mismatches make for a long day. If your team is fast and they are slow, you take advantage of it on fast breaks and pushing the ball. Etc etc etc. There are a million of these “schemes” that you play to your strengths and weaknesses depending on the opponent, who is having a good day, score/time left in game, etc.
On defense my observation all season has been that we look like we are two steps behind every play. That we are flat footed on the backside (pick a position) and we just generally look lost, surprised or disconnected. If the breakdown is one person on this play, then it’s the next guy on the next play and then the next guy and the next guy. We appear to be BREAKING all over the field every week because we are incapable of truly stopping any offense. It just seems like we are flat out unprepared, disjointed and lost on whose responsibility “that was”. My frustration has been singularly focused on individual effort this year - so many different plays where I am just screaming WTF are we doing!?! but maybe it’s not the players so much as the schemes we are trying to implement? Are we putting our guys in positions to succeed or is our “Philosophy” overexposing our roster weaknesses? If I knew we played straight up man on every play and we never changed our “Mano e Mano” philosophy and were constantly being bullied game in and game out, that “quit” in you comes to light when you know you’re not in a good position to begin with. quite a few times this season I have seen our guys on d roll their eyes/heads after a play or not take a teammates hand to get up. Maybe there was something to KJ calling out our lack of leadership.
I just don’t understand why we look SO unprepared and disjointed so often throughout games. At what point is the “vision” the problem and not the “execution”? Is the team skeptical of that approach because they already know they are in a bad spot to begin with?
This year felt like such a waste of potential - if we are young like they say we are then it’s coaching that has to shine on those performances and those guys being put in good positions to succeed, right? Tomlin had a pair of bench safeties who didn’t throw the game for them yesterday, McVay has mustered a wild card run with a roster no one believed in, and Arizona is dropping W’s on teams they have no business even thinking they could beat.
I don’t know anymore but the amount of suck this year has made me want to stop watching our team. It’s hard to get excited about the future. I hope that whatever motivates us to change “it” we find it in these next few months because the sum of our parts is shite right now. Who steps up and puts it together before we waste years trying to implement or copy something that was over, a decade ago.
Disappointing loss as now need to win AND rely on help from other results. But hopefully bounce back with a win in the final week!
Defense: You can’t count on DBs to stop the run, especially if (1) your best corners are either small or finesse guys or both and (2) your best run-stopping safety is on the IR and a shell of his former self. But that’s what happens when injuries at LB leave you small, inexperienced, and old at the position. When Nwosu and Brooks were both healthy (bad luck that neither are) and Wagner was fresh (can’t plan on that), this team defended the rush with success. Starting with Philly and Tennessee, the defense was reduced to conceding run yards to contain big plays. The string ran out today.
Offense: The QB can be effective when all goes swimmingly. He struggles when adversity strikes, like losing the starters at center and right tackle. As good as Walker and Metcalf can are, they can’t carry a banged-up line and a fragile QB on their own. Am I the only one who thinks that the staff has lost confidence in the number 2 back?
Coaching: Pete has called better games. We criticize what we see in front of us and all of that gets amplified on social media. (Imagine the angst right now at SDB.) But there is no substitute for health and execution. Intact, these will overcome all; right now, Seattle has neither. What I have no feel for is how much of the poor execution is due to coaching and talent and how much is due to inexperience, injuries, and discontinuity. I am certain that the defense is getting exposed at LB and that eventually there’s no scheming past that. I’m pretty sure that having to start ten different offensive linemen over the course of the season is not a good thing.
12th Man: I can’t remember such a listless crowd. It’s like they knew what was coming.
It's interesting to note that last year Seattle went to a 3-4 defense. The designers of that was the new coordinator Cliff Hurtt and Sean Desai. This year Desai went to The Eagles as the Defensive Coordinator and was replaced by Matt Patricia just before the Seahawk game. Last year Philly had the 8th ranked defense and are now ranked the 24th. Seattle went from 25th to 20th this year with a pretty good infusion of talent the last two years. I rest my case.
There was some bad luck today like losing that fumble by Pickens to MJ because his foot just hit the out of bounds line. I thought the challenge was valid because it was very close to out of bounds on the 7 which would have been a 4th down. Apparently not enough to overturn. Obviously their OL was way better than our DL, we need a heavy at nose tackle.I’m just hoping the Cardinals will be over confident and lay an egg. The Bears looked good I think they can beat the Packers.
Oh and Bo Melton, our 6th round wide receiver pick in our great 2022 draft, scored his first NFL touchdown today... for the Packers.
I think the 'trust in Pete and John' has to finally stop. Their formula for success worked once, and has been unsuccessful ever since.
They had two stellar drafts in 2011 and 2012, traded for Beast Mode, and that... has... been... it.
After that, each draft produced one or two players that had value per year.
Pete does not know how to draft and build defensive lines. Reed and Q Jefferson are the only draft choices to contribute in the league. Think about that. Two guys in a dozen years.
We replaced Q Jeff, Al Woods, Poona Ford, and Shelby Harris with Dre'Mont Jones, Reed, Leonard Williams, Mario Edwards, Cameron Young. The results have been worse!
Meanwhile, we let a true difference maker tackle pass by, and not draft one until the 4th round.
What's left to replace?
I'm ready to move on from Pete.
As many know, I believe that Geno is unapologetically a very good NFL QB.
That was true again today.
And that actually sucks. Because it would be much easier to blame the QB. The reality is that the defense is very bad. I said after the titans game, that was a bad performance (points in a game is irrelevant, points per drive is).
Where do we go from here?
If you want to go the excuse route, the team hasn’t had a bye since week 5 (I think) and Lenard Williams hasn’t had a bye the whole year! They are tired. I can buy into that a little.
But, we had one goal after the niner game last year: and that was to fix the run defense and D line.
That is a problem and has been been a problem pretty much since the Cincy game imo. Thought they did ok verse the Niners actually.
All in all, football is wild and that game will put heat on some seats.
I wish it were the QB, that would be an easier solution, but unfortunately he has played at a high level.
This was a tough one for the D. 😔
Go hawks
We are still a better team this year than last years' team. We have played a lot of very competitive teams and are 8--8 playing a tough schedule. This team with last years' schedule would have ended up 12--5 probably. At least 11-6.
What this game taught me is that you are correct about our need for another quality tackle. Our next biggest need is one more interior defensive tackle, and a modern two-way LB. Or two. Though our own reserves may be able to compete for the job.
The good news is that we will get a third place teams' schedule next year and will be able to compete for a decent playoff spot. This year, we might not deserve a spot, but that will depend on a bit of luck and some effort to win the next game against a decent Cardinals' team.
This year has been a complete and total write off. I can't think of another season where even the wins are frustrating and disappointing because of the inconsistencies, disjointedness, and overall lack of preparedness/ planning and with respect to the coaching SKILL. Has anybody seen one game this season where the 2023 Seahawks have played 60 minutes of sound, well played fb???
I think for there to be any kind of change in performance for next year it starts with the coaches. Both Hurt and Waldron have shown an inability to ADJUST throughout the game and need to go. If you look at a team like the Ravens today you could see how they ADJUSTED to the platy of Miami and executed a plan to take the upper hand in that contest, I don't think the coaching staff of the Seahawks have the skill or knowledge to be able to do that within a game.