Hopefully there are a couple of guys that they feel extremely comfortable with trading, Dee Eskridge ,yes, but I believe when MM see's what he wants and how everyone fits there will be a few he will feel very comfortable sending other places. I do see (with some time and jelling) a much improved O-line from what we've had. Eventually Sataoa will be a fixture on the O-line. My main concern ( as I always say) is center. If Olu or Harris can fill that role (and it will take some time to become what they truly need to be) then they will be Way better down the road (end of season or to 2025). My Opinion is to have a consistent offense that can stay on the field and run consistently and help the QB and the total offense you need to have an O-line in the top 12, That leads to a more rested D ,more wins but not necessarily needing a top 5 unit. I believe MM will have a great feel on how much to use Murphy and how to use him, that isn't a worry for me at all.-
Regarding trading someone like Mike Jackson an interesting read recently is yes there is potential trade value but also depth value in that he is one of those that can also support safety. Players with positional versatility appear to be on Coach Ms list so will see. With depth at WR definitely see Dee as possible trade if one of the others shows up once they actually practice returns.
I'll just have to say that I normally hit the like button on comments but for some reason my ability to like comments isn't working in Safari. For the record, in case you were wondering, I like your comments!
Thanks for the Murphy Snaps response!! Much appreciated. Makes sense to ease him in slowly and constructively let the rookie settle in before assigning any % of snaps. Mike Mac also alluded to him needing to get in better shape and I wondered if that was more to Murphy's general conditioning or that the new D will just demand that every DL improve their cardio. Gracias!
Ha! I hope that the Titan's strength and conditioning coach's bonus is not tied to T'Vondre Sweat wastline remaining in check. Kiss that's performance bonus good bye!
The Hawks having just an upper half ranking in the NFL would be good enough for me - a self-admitted fan of OL performance. Upper half means to me that they are collectively winning pass and run blocking battles more than half the time. I can watch an OL do that and feel good about watching Hawks games again. It's been a while...
Count me in for any improvement, but middle of the pack would be a win in my books. I can live with average if it also comes with 'mean'. I'm hoping the attitude is as noticeable as the skills.
I have to admit I involuntarily shuddered when I read the words "special teams coach J Harbaugh" in Seasider Scott's question. I came back to reality immediately, but that visceral "ick" instinct was undeniable.
no one mentioned having watched XFL / UFL games to see strategy ideas for the NFL "new" kickoff procedures .. while I believe the NFL rules do not follow those exactly, it does make for a more exciting watch, and it appears it does also reduce the injuries
That's the logical starting point I think. I haven't looked to see the rule differences between xfl/ufl and nfl, but I would assume reasonably close. You have to think special teams coaches would start there and then hop into the lab.
What makes a SB contender? Better than average players throughout the roster. A deep talented bench and good luck! I've posted this before. Each new season my sons ask me who's going to the SB. and I always tell them, " you tell me who gets injured and for how long, and I'll give you my answer."
For example, if Mahomes, or Jackson, or Goff ( place your favorite name here ) misses significant time their team ain't going to the big dance.
I think there are many ways to win a SB, which is awesome and keeps it exciting. Different ways to win is great for a sport.
IMO, the one constant is that players need to outplay their cost. It is a strict salary cap league so there is no Yankees. You have to find value and players need to beat their cost. Easier said than done and makes for many ways to win.
In regards to Seaside (Lou) Slugger question on O-line. I took a look at this awhile back. I agree with a bunch of what Joe said about rankings in general and about the O-line. But here it is FWIW: SB teams and O-line ranks (after season rankings from PFF):
So much of it is relative. The ‘Hawks 2013-2014 OL was good enough because they had a dominant RB who just needed a bit of an edge to get loose, a mobile QB, and some really good possession receivers. On the other, we saw what happened to Patrick Mahomes in the SB when an okay OL had to protect against Tampa’s strong 4-man rush.
I was surprised to see the results as I would've thought you need a top 10 O-line to win. But as Joe says there is many different ways to get it done.
I agree that with Russ I don't think you need a top line because he isn't a pocket passer and potentially operates better in chaos. I don't think that is the case with Geno who is a pure pocket passer. I was really surprised to see 2015 SB with the Pats and Brady (pocket passer) with the 23rd ranked line. Might be the most surprising. (Posted on Jan 8 prior to playoffshttps://www.pff.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings)
My take is that the farther your QB is from Mahomes, the more the offense needs to invest in skill positions and have an at least credible OL. On the defensive side, a four-man pass rush is gold, and it looks like JSMM see it that way too!
Hopefully there are a couple of guys that they feel extremely comfortable with trading, Dee Eskridge ,yes, but I believe when MM see's what he wants and how everyone fits there will be a few he will feel very comfortable sending other places. I do see (with some time and jelling) a much improved O-line from what we've had. Eventually Sataoa will be a fixture on the O-line. My main concern ( as I always say) is center. If Olu or Harris can fill that role (and it will take some time to become what they truly need to be) then they will be Way better down the road (end of season or to 2025). My Opinion is to have a consistent offense that can stay on the field and run consistently and help the QB and the total offense you need to have an O-line in the top 12, That leads to a more rested D ,more wins but not necessarily needing a top 5 unit. I believe MM will have a great feel on how much to use Murphy and how to use him, that isn't a worry for me at all.-
Regarding trading someone like Mike Jackson an interesting read recently is yes there is potential trade value but also depth value in that he is one of those that can also support safety. Players with positional versatility appear to be on Coach Ms list so will see. With depth at WR definitely see Dee as possible trade if one of the others shows up once they actually practice returns.
I'll just have to say that I normally hit the like button on comments but for some reason my ability to like comments isn't working in Safari. For the record, in case you were wondering, I like your comments!
Thanks for the Murphy Snaps response!! Much appreciated. Makes sense to ease him in slowly and constructively let the rookie settle in before assigning any % of snaps. Mike Mac also alluded to him needing to get in better shape and I wondered if that was more to Murphy's general conditioning or that the new D will just demand that every DL improve their cardio. Gracias!
Just imagine if the Seahawks had to get his teammate T'Vondre Sweat into shape.
Ha! I hope that the Titan's strength and conditioning coach's bonus is not tied to T'Vondre Sweat wastline remaining in check. Kiss that's performance bonus good bye!
The Hawks having just an upper half ranking in the NFL would be good enough for me - a self-admitted fan of OL performance. Upper half means to me that they are collectively winning pass and run blocking battles more than half the time. I can watch an OL do that and feel good about watching Hawks games again. It's been a while...
If I watch the Seahawks games and I'm not personally upset with the OL, that's the ranking I'll value the most. My own personal "How I feel?" ranking.
Count me in for any improvement, but middle of the pack would be a win in my books. I can live with average if it also comes with 'mean'. I'm hoping the attitude is as noticeable as the skills.
I have to admit I involuntarily shuddered when I read the words "special teams coach J Harbaugh" in Seasider Scott's question. I came back to reality immediately, but that visceral "ick" instinct was undeniable.
Assuming she cooks(ed), how was the arroz con pollo last night?
I ordered it at a Mexican restaurant last week and she had never heard of arroz con pollo, so this is a new venture for Jay.
Meant to say "Seaside Jay's" in there
no one mentioned having watched XFL / UFL games to see strategy ideas for the NFL "new" kickoff procedures .. while I believe the NFL rules do not follow those exactly, it does make for a more exciting watch, and it appears it does also reduce the injuries
Definitely must be coaches on XFL/UFL watch duty and probably going to recruit a few of those ST players to the NFL.
That's the logical starting point I think. I haven't looked to see the rule differences between xfl/ufl and nfl, but I would assume reasonably close. You have to think special teams coaches would start there and then hop into the lab.
What makes a SB contender? Better than average players throughout the roster. A deep talented bench and good luck! I've posted this before. Each new season my sons ask me who's going to the SB. and I always tell them, " you tell me who gets injured and for how long, and I'll give you my answer."
For example, if Mahomes, or Jackson, or Goff ( place your favorite name here ) misses significant time their team ain't going to the big dance.
Luck!!!
Luck!
I think there are many ways to win a SB, which is awesome and keeps it exciting. Different ways to win is great for a sport.
IMO, the one constant is that players need to outplay their cost. It is a strict salary cap league so there is no Yankees. You have to find value and players need to beat their cost. Easier said than done and makes for many ways to win.
Yeah every champ is different, and that's why we watch and why we remember the winners.
In regards to Seaside (Lou) Slugger question on O-line. I took a look at this awhile back. I agree with a bunch of what Joe said about rankings in general and about the O-line. But here it is FWIW: SB teams and O-line ranks (after season rankings from PFF):
2015 SB: Pats 23 Seahawks 19
2016 SB: Broncos 20 Panthers 2
2017 SB: Pats 10 Falcons 6
2018 SB: Eagles 1 Pats 3
2019 SB: Pats 4 Rams 6
2020 SB: Chiefs 16 Niners 14
2021 SB: Bucs 5 Chiefs 11
2022 SB: Rams 7 Bengals 20
2023 SB: Chiefs 4 Eagles 1
Average Rank 9.5
Median Rank 6.5
60% of teams are in top 10 rankings
72% of teams are top 15
6% (1 team) is higher than 20
I think we can all agree that it is ideal to make it to the playoffs with a really good OL in tact.
So much of it is relative. The ‘Hawks 2013-2014 OL was good enough because they had a dominant RB who just needed a bit of an edge to get loose, a mobile QB, and some really good possession receivers. On the other, we saw what happened to Patrick Mahomes in the SB when an okay OL had to protect against Tampa’s strong 4-man rush.
Yeah to all.
I was surprised to see the results as I would've thought you need a top 10 O-line to win. But as Joe says there is many different ways to get it done.
I agree that with Russ I don't think you need a top line because he isn't a pocket passer and potentially operates better in chaos. I don't think that is the case with Geno who is a pure pocket passer. I was really surprised to see 2015 SB with the Pats and Brady (pocket passer) with the 23rd ranked line. Might be the most surprising. (Posted on Jan 8 prior to playoffshttps://www.pff.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings)
My take is that the farther your QB is from Mahomes, the more the offense needs to invest in skill positions and have an at least credible OL. On the defensive side, a four-man pass rush is gold, and it looks like JSMM see it that way too!
Thanks SSJ! Have a great holiday tomorrow!
Thanks, you too!