Looking back and remembering what an effective FB Marcel Reese made (4 time Pro Bowler) because he was such a good blocker in open space and had legit receiving chops (for that position), makes me think the JJAW acquisition would be best used as a development piece for an alternate future.
Marcel was a big bodied WR at the University of Washington who ran 4.45 sec. 40 yd. He had the speed but not the fluidity to make it as a NFL receiver. Miami gave up on its athlete and the Raiders saw something more and invested over a year to develop his next role.
Reese became by far the fastest FB in the league along with the best hands for that position. His ability to locate blockers in space made him invaluable blocker as a for Darren McFadden as well as standout special teams regular. He even spelled as a RB at times. The 'Hawks may have found next year's FB/special teams replacement (plus he can serve as a 4th TE / 6th WR) for their beloved, but rather old, Nick Belore.
Thinking outside the box also made our own Michael Robinson a Pro Bowl FB, after being a QB for Penn State...JJAW is similarly fast and also without the fluidity to face off against CBs but he can go against LBs, and he is a highly rated blocker...Just sayin' - this does not have to be a swap of players w/o futures.
It's interesting to even think of this as "getting something in return" for either side. This is just a swap between old GM buddies to get through training camp probably. JJAW should be on the practice squad.
I'd like to see that but it seems San Francisco is going to hold him hostage as long as possible. Perhaps even on the 53 man roster right up until the first game. Last moment he can be cut before 27 million reasons to cut him fall due.
It's a shame that Amadi didn't pan out. His first year or two in the league looked promising. Blair seemed more promising, so it's not surprising he's the guy who's still on the team.
As for J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, I'm a bit familiar because my wife's from Philly and her family is into the Eagles. Let's just say that I didn't speak much about DK at family gatherings because it was a sore spot. In fact, the less said about the Seahawks the better.
Arcega-Whiteside was clearly a bust. If he can resuscitate his career in Seattle, it will be one more thing I won't discuss. Otherwise, perhaps we can have a laugh together at some point.
My guess is both guys were about to get cut so the teams swapped. The Hawks and Eagles have long had a certain rapport at the level of executive suites. I sense an underlying relationship that both sides value and consider more important than any particular transaction.
Not understanding your logic. We traded a guy who was about to be released. How is that the losing end of anything?
The Bennett trade made more sense in the context of the Seattle Philly relationship. This seems like an-almost nothing move but it gives both teams the chance to give a guy a fresh start at a position of relative need.
True. Ugo has been good on special teams. But guys like that get cut and, when they get cut, another team can pick them up for nothing. So we got almost nothing for almost nothing. That's how I see it.
Arcega-Whiteside was thought to have potential coming out of college. I've not followed him enough to know why he didn't pan out. Just today, I've read comments questioning his speed but indicating he's a decent blocker. Apparently, Carroll and Schneider think there's a chance he could catch on with the Hawks. Or that there were contractual advantages to the trade. Don't know if Ugo had any guaranteed money or if JJ does. I doubt this trade was something for nothing because it never is. At least not at the time of the trade.
I had high hopes for Amadi and Blair after the draft. Everyone's highlights look good, but Blair was a thumper in college and Ugo looked to be a good special teamer and maybe nickel. I guess Coby took his job in the slot. I haven't followed JJ's career but from his production I'd be surprised if he makes the 53.
We just can't ever know what the internal discussions and feelings were that led to Amadi not being considered useful to the defense, but we can assume that's how they feel.
Thoughts regarding J.J. Arcega-Whiteside...
Looking back and remembering what an effective FB Marcel Reese made (4 time Pro Bowler) because he was such a good blocker in open space and had legit receiving chops (for that position), makes me think the JJAW acquisition would be best used as a development piece for an alternate future.
Marcel was a big bodied WR at the University of Washington who ran 4.45 sec. 40 yd. He had the speed but not the fluidity to make it as a NFL receiver. Miami gave up on its athlete and the Raiders saw something more and invested over a year to develop his next role.
Reese became by far the fastest FB in the league along with the best hands for that position. His ability to locate blockers in space made him invaluable blocker as a for Darren McFadden as well as standout special teams regular. He even spelled as a RB at times. The 'Hawks may have found next year's FB/special teams replacement (plus he can serve as a 4th TE / 6th WR) for their beloved, but rather old, Nick Belore.
Thinking outside the box also made our own Michael Robinson a Pro Bowl FB, after being a QB for Penn State...JJAW is similarly fast and also without the fluidity to face off against CBs but he can go against LBs, and he is a highly rated blocker...Just sayin' - this does not have to be a swap of players w/o futures.
Is it wrong that I would have preferred a 5th round pick instead? Probably too high a price for the destined-for-waivers Amadi tho. Maybe a 7th?
I'm sure the Hawks would have preferred that too. We got one guy who's likely to be cut in return for a guy who was certain to be cut.
I think this is the top-ranked offer for a player about to be cut.
Eagles fans are surprised they got anything in return for Arceaga.
It's interesting to even think of this as "getting something in return" for either side. This is just a swap between old GM buddies to get through training camp probably. JJAW should be on the practice squad.
No big deal, basically 2 warm bodies traded for one another.Tues cuts should be interesting. Maybe Jimmy G ?
Cuts are already in: "Seahawks have waived Josh Valentine-Turner, Antonio Valentino, Eric Wilson, and Deontez Alexander.
Cody Thompson also placed on IR."
I'd like to see that but it seems San Francisco is going to hold him hostage as long as possible. Perhaps even on the 53 man roster right up until the first game. Last moment he can be cut before 27 million reasons to cut him fall due.
It's a shame that Amadi didn't pan out. His first year or two in the league looked promising. Blair seemed more promising, so it's not surprising he's the guy who's still on the team.
As for J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, I'm a bit familiar because my wife's from Philly and her family is into the Eagles. Let's just say that I didn't speak much about DK at family gatherings because it was a sore spot. In fact, the less said about the Seahawks the better.
Arcega-Whiteside was clearly a bust. If he can resuscitate his career in Seattle, it will be one more thing I won't discuss. Otherwise, perhaps we can have a laugh together at some point.
My guess is both guys were about to get cut so the teams swapped. The Hawks and Eagles have long had a certain rapport at the level of executive suites. I sense an underlying relationship that both sides value and consider more important than any particular transaction.
Nothing too atypical for a fourth round pick. Amadi was ok, but not good. Hope he does better in Philly.
That may explain why we accepted to be the losing end of the trade.
Not understanding your logic. We traded a guy who was about to be released. How is that the losing end of anything?
The Bennett trade made more sense in the context of the Seattle Philly relationship. This seems like an-almost nothing move but it gives both teams the chance to give a guy a fresh start at a position of relative need.
Ugo has been a middling nickel and a good special teamer. Arceaga has had no impact whatsoever.
True. Ugo has been good on special teams. But guys like that get cut and, when they get cut, another team can pick them up for nothing. So we got almost nothing for almost nothing. That's how I see it.
Arcega-Whiteside was thought to have potential coming out of college. I've not followed him enough to know why he didn't pan out. Just today, I've read comments questioning his speed but indicating he's a decent blocker. Apparently, Carroll and Schneider think there's a chance he could catch on with the Hawks. Or that there were contractual advantages to the trade. Don't know if Ugo had any guaranteed money or if JJ does. I doubt this trade was something for nothing because it never is. At least not at the time of the trade.
Ucome, Ugo in the Not For Long universe.
Puns are the highest form of c-Amadi.
Not a splashy trade, but hopefully both players can wind up having a better run with their new franchises.
Yes, not likely to be a trade we will even remember in two months.
I had high hopes for Amadi and Blair after the draft. Everyone's highlights look good, but Blair was a thumper in college and Ugo looked to be a good special teamer and maybe nickel. I guess Coby took his job in the slot. I haven't followed JJ's career but from his production I'd be surprised if he makes the 53.
We just can't ever know what the internal discussions and feelings were that led to Amadi not being considered useful to the defense, but we can assume that's how they feel.