I'm really glad you mentioned Dareke because I absolutely think he can develop into a top-25 guy at the position. The best play I saw him make in college was actually when he played inline TE and ran a post route so I was pleased to see the team incorporate him from some less traditional WR alignments later in the season. While I'd be surprised if the Seahawks stand pat at WR through the off-season, I don't think they'll feel pressed to use alot of resources at the position because Young can fill Goodwin's role in the offense and add some extra elements thanks to his alignment versatility.
On Scott, I could definitely see him being a Seahawk if he's still there in R4. I think his skillset is attractive but overlaps with Eskridge's to the point where I'd want to add to other positions in the earlier rounds, plus there are some similar guys I'm a little higher on like Hyatt, Flowers and Downs who could still be available at 50.
Stepping back from Scott (who now I'm hoping we land - curse you, Kenneth!!!), I've never understood the way folks look at the 40. Don't get me wrong: it has its uses. But even for WRs it's just so relatively rare to get a chance to show speed at that distance in a game - anything under 20 yards seems far more telling. And that's without even touching the iffiness factor of valuing a guy's timed score in a controlled setting vs his actual results on the field: I'll never understand why players with minimal collegiate success routinely get propelled up mocks just based on fractions of a second in the 40.
If a receiver can run a good route and get open, then any QB worth his salt will be able to get the ball to him. Tyler Locket has consistently thru his NFL career maintained a catch percentage of about 74.5%. Last year Lockett was #22 in PFF rated receivers. There were only 2 receivers with a higher catch percentage, St. Brown with 77% and Cooper Kupp with 75.3%. In college Kupp had multiple years of mid 70% catch rates with he as maintained thru his NFL career. At the combine Kupp ran a 4.62 40 and had a short shuttle time of 4.08. 40 time not so good but SS very good.
Generally a receiver is able to use his short area quickness in his route running to get open and therefore have a higher catch%. Tyler Scott's catch% rate in college has been in the low 60s and he didn't run the short shuttle at the combine. On the other hand Smith-Njigba had a catch rate of 84.8% at Ohio State but did not run a 40 but ran a SS at an amazing 3.93. Usually a good SS time will back up a good catch rate % in college and these are better indicator than 40 time for wide receivers.
To my mind receiver is where the Seahawks have gone bargain shopping with great accuracy in the last few years. They could have taken both DK and Tyler in the second round but passed and then jumped back up when they dropped. What that tells me is in the Russ area they did not put the same value on receiver as other teams did. That made sense to me because Russ generated chunk plays with his legs. Now that did not mean they passed on good receivers in the draft that they believed were being overlooked, they just got them at a discount in terms of draft position. That may well be changing. What they need is a horizontal stretch weapon. Scott might fit all of the above.
How much difference is there between a 4.40 and 4.44 forty? Beyond the obvious I mean.
On the field, two very similar and equally talented WR's, one is 0.04 seconds faster in the 40 yard dash, how much difference does it really make? Lots? None? How much? Thanks.
Absolutely - 'Tyler 2 Electric Boogaloo'...deceptive speed is Far more difficult to defend VS predictive speed. Both are great - one is even better. Watching his hands and how he presents to the ball - this dude is So natural.
As for Dereke Young, even before Shane Waldren started using him as one, I have been harping that his blocking enthusiasm should be utilized by lining up as a Fullback like the big bodied UW receiver (Marcel Reese) who became a 3-time, Pro Bowl FB several years back.
SF uses their All Pro FB (Kyle Jusczyk) fairly often in different formations including aligned as an H-Back. I Totally see our #83 as a Serious miss-match coming out of the backfield, like he did in college. Serious miss-match...
I'm gonna do a mock and draft Tyler Scott. Be right back. Dang, I had to take him at 75. Too rich for my blood. At the same spot I could have had Jalin Hyatt. Or Ade Ade.
Replace Tyler with Tyler? Sure, why not! But I have liked Young as a prospect and I am really hoping he makes the jump this year and becomes the #3 as threat to run, block, or catch a pass. He is definitely built for it.
The best nickname I saw given to Dareke Young was "the DK of D2". Yes, similar physical composition, different level of play.
I'm really glad you mentioned Dareke because I absolutely think he can develop into a top-25 guy at the position. The best play I saw him make in college was actually when he played inline TE and ran a post route so I was pleased to see the team incorporate him from some less traditional WR alignments later in the season. While I'd be surprised if the Seahawks stand pat at WR through the off-season, I don't think they'll feel pressed to use alot of resources at the position because Young can fill Goodwin's role in the offense and add some extra elements thanks to his alignment versatility.
On Scott, I could definitely see him being a Seahawk if he's still there in R4. I think his skillset is attractive but overlaps with Eskridge's to the point where I'd want to add to other positions in the earlier rounds, plus there are some similar guys I'm a little higher on like Hyatt, Flowers and Downs who could still be available at 50.
Stepping back from Scott (who now I'm hoping we land - curse you, Kenneth!!!), I've never understood the way folks look at the 40. Don't get me wrong: it has its uses. But even for WRs it's just so relatively rare to get a chance to show speed at that distance in a game - anything under 20 yards seems far more telling. And that's without even touching the iffiness factor of valuing a guy's timed score in a controlled setting vs his actual results on the field: I'll never understand why players with minimal collegiate success routinely get propelled up mocks just based on fractions of a second in the 40.
If a receiver can run a good route and get open, then any QB worth his salt will be able to get the ball to him. Tyler Locket has consistently thru his NFL career maintained a catch percentage of about 74.5%. Last year Lockett was #22 in PFF rated receivers. There were only 2 receivers with a higher catch percentage, St. Brown with 77% and Cooper Kupp with 75.3%. In college Kupp had multiple years of mid 70% catch rates with he as maintained thru his NFL career. At the combine Kupp ran a 4.62 40 and had a short shuttle time of 4.08. 40 time not so good but SS very good.
Generally a receiver is able to use his short area quickness in his route running to get open and therefore have a higher catch%. Tyler Scott's catch% rate in college has been in the low 60s and he didn't run the short shuttle at the combine. On the other hand Smith-Njigba had a catch rate of 84.8% at Ohio State but did not run a 40 but ran a SS at an amazing 3.93. Usually a good SS time will back up a good catch rate % in college and these are better indicator than 40 time for wide receivers.
To my mind receiver is where the Seahawks have gone bargain shopping with great accuracy in the last few years. They could have taken both DK and Tyler in the second round but passed and then jumped back up when they dropped. What that tells me is in the Russ area they did not put the same value on receiver as other teams did. That made sense to me because Russ generated chunk plays with his legs. Now that did not mean they passed on good receivers in the draft that they believed were being overlooked, they just got them at a discount in terms of draft position. That may well be changing. What they need is a horizontal stretch weapon. Scott might fit all of the above.
How much difference is there between a 4.40 and 4.44 forty? Beyond the obvious I mean.
On the field, two very similar and equally talented WR's, one is 0.04 seconds faster in the 40 yard dash, how much difference does it really make? Lots? None? How much? Thanks.
"DK! I assume not the actual one."
KenJoe, you should know better than to make such assumptions.
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After your write-up on Tyler Scott, Realy, Realy want him on our team. Thanks.
Absolutely - 'Tyler 2 Electric Boogaloo'...deceptive speed is Far more difficult to defend VS predictive speed. Both are great - one is even better. Watching his hands and how he presents to the ball - this dude is So natural.
As for Dereke Young, even before Shane Waldren started using him as one, I have been harping that his blocking enthusiasm should be utilized by lining up as a Fullback like the big bodied UW receiver (Marcel Reese) who became a 3-time, Pro Bowl FB several years back.
SF uses their All Pro FB (Kyle Jusczyk) fairly often in different formations including aligned as an H-Back. I Totally see our #83 as a Serious miss-match coming out of the backfield, like he did in college. Serious miss-match...
I'm gonna do a mock and draft Tyler Scott. Be right back. Dang, I had to take him at 75. Too rich for my blood. At the same spot I could have had Jalin Hyatt. Or Ade Ade.
Glad to hear that DK is a Seaside Joe subscriber now! Hopefully one of these accounts is John Schneider's burner.
Replace Tyler with Tyler? Sure, why not! But I have liked Young as a prospect and I am really hoping he makes the jump this year and becomes the #3 as threat to run, block, or catch a pass. He is definitely built for it.