Yes, keeping Lewis would have helped but if Geno would have only thrown 4 red zone picks instead of 5 , play offs here we come
Big Walter and Hutch were arguably the best left side Oline in NFL history. Besides enabling Alexander, Walt only gave up one, that's one sack in his entire career!
After all the pre-season is over, I don't see Fant making the roster.
It'd be cool if it's in Seattle and Pete gets a big welcome. As far as team and players go, it'll be exams for position competitions, no extra juice for anyone except the fans.
Take a 1000 pts for 'off-fences'. That got a groan, an eye-roll, and a chuckle all at the same time.
MacIntosh, I think, would have been very good. Really too bad about the injury. He never really got started.
2025 might prove to be right up there, simply because there's 8 players in the pool. You only need to hit on a couple of them, and anything more than that you're right in the mix. We'll have to wait until 2028 to start sorting that out though. Waaaaaay too early for that now.
A lot less news from now until OTA's start May 27th. The draft coverage is drying up and not much else going on. Thankfully SSJ is still keeping the Seahawks content coming!
Curious to see who DK gets to drop crucial catches for this year. Also want to see if he can break his 6 3rd-down-conversions-brought-back-by-his-dumb-penalties record he set last year. It might be difficult, but I have faith in him, especially when they are 4-10 late in the season.
Looks like we get them Week 2, a leak from the Pittsburgh press. Rumors are we open at home so this would be our first road game. If it's Pittsburgh's first home game then the energy levels should be high enough for DK to do something stupid. Especially bc it will be against Tariq who's played against him more than any CB in the NFL I'd imagine...hopefully begins to frustrate him early in the game
People are under-rating Porkchop in 2001. Hutch plus Porkchop plus Koren is better than Shaun and Darrell on AV. Shaun doesn't do as well without Hutch, either. I don't blame Hutch for the poison pill. Ruskell could have used a tag on Hutch, but he kind of sucked at personnel management. We are so spoiled now with John.
One thing of note about Arroyo and Horton, and it goes to what I said in my defense of another comment defending my position the Seahawks are a 12 win team. — Yes we’ve lost DK and Lockett, but I believe we have replaced then in the aggregate. — If he stays healthy, Kupp might prove a better performer this year than Lockett. MVS provides a bit of a deep threat that can keep the safety from creeping up. But Horton is a true deep threat with sub 4.4 speed. MM in discussing Horton said he can really take the top off the defense. (In speaking of his deep threat) But then he went on to say in this system (offense) you really have to be able to run all the routes. (As a receiver) Horton can run all the routes, and he can get open, has size, AND has good hands. I’ve watch a half dozen of his highlight and analysis videos If you watch just one, watch how he played against Prime Time’s Colorado Buffalos. How many yards did DK have last year? How many TDs? How many TDs in the second half of the season last year? The addition of Arroyo, Horton, MVS and Kupp to join JSN, Fant, and Barner can give us a very solid and perhaps more productive passing game. Oh and the cap space we still have would be gone if we kept Lockett and DK.
I think one of the biggest problems with comparing players subtracted to players added this year is that we're not comparing rosters in the same scheme. I think what makes Kubiaks system work is different that what might have made Grubb's work. It seems like route diversity is more important in Kubiaks, so defenses can't key on a reduced set of options to cover. I assume the players we've added are here because they fit what Kubiak wants to do. That's not to say that they players no longer here weren't, because there could be other reasons why that didn't work out (money for one).
None of us will know 'til we know.
If you head over to All_22 he's starting a 3 part series on what he think Kubiak will be running in Seattle. Here's part 1.
Thanks Chris, I follow All_22’s channel, and I’m with you it needs to be a more than one guy leaving and who is his replacement analysis. That’s why I talk about Arroyo as part of the aggregate replacing DK and Lockett. He’s very fast for a TE and often lines up split out like a receiver. A certain portion of his snaps might be in a more WR role, yet he’s listed as a TE. Almost 2/3 of our snaps last year were passing plays. I would expect (and hope) that that number drops by at least 10% to say 57%. We might pass the ball less, but actually have a more effective passing game and a far more effective running game.
I think Geno is as good or better a QB as Darnold in general, but I would not be surprised if Darnold is a better fit for Kubiak. Likewise I feel, after hearing MM’s comments about the needs for a WR to be able to run all the routes in this system in praising Horton’s route running capabilities, that DK was not as high on Kubiak’s want list. Kubiak will run a high percentage of 12 and 21 personnel groups. Only 2 WRs will be on the field and versatility in route running will be more highly valued. The coaches and management will never say anything bot great things about Geno and DK and any former player. But that doesn’t actually mean they’re feeling the departure of those players as a terrible loss.
Time will tell, but I still feel good about this year. I know MM is very big on versatile players. Maybe he likes that on offense as well. Arroyo is one of those versatile players. It is worthy of note that Emmanwori is an incredibly versatile player. In his college career he has over 100 snaps as a slot corner, an outside corner, a safety AND an inside LB. Yes inside LB. When you think about it his size 6’3” and over 220lbs, he is big enough to play ILB. Maybe not on 2nd and 2, but on 3rd and 13? He would offer some run support and as a cover LB he’d offer a tremendous advantage for MM.
I had to vote for 2001 because I think Hutch had a hand in Alexander's MVP, and was perhaps the best guard in NFL history.
I almost wrote in 1997 because of Walter Jones and Itula Mili (Big Walt doing all the heavy lifting), but filling 4 starting positions had to break the tie between HOFers for me.
I wonder how Seattle ranks in all-time UDFA players vs. other teams. Dave Kreig, Doug Baldwin, Jermain Kearse, and Thomas Rawls are a pretty good start.
I’m going with ‘97. Mike Holmgren says that Big Walt is the best offensive player he coached, and I know that he’s the best offensive player that I saw personally. And I saw John Elway.
I'd vote for the 2001 class in part bc I think Shaun Alexander had a big helping hand running behind two HOF'ers. But, I'd submit the 2012 class as well (perhaps using a technicality...).
Obviously Player #1 is Russell Wilson, and given he plays QB that almost puts the 2012 class into the mix all by itself. But there was also Robert Turbin, and that 5th round pick we gave Buffalo for Marshawn Lynch (that's the technicality); JR Sweezy who converted to guard (another technicality as he was actually a defender when drafted); and UDFA Jerome Kearse.
If we can count Marshawn, I think 2012 could make its argument for the award -- or maybe even without him, since Russ (with all his flaws) may have been the biggest game changer in Seahawks history.
I dont think we can count Marshawn because we got him in a trade. If we can do that, I'll go 1977 for the Largent trade giving up only an 8th rd pick for him.
Yes, keeping Lewis would have helped but if Geno would have only thrown 4 red zone picks instead of 5 , play offs here we come
Big Walter and Hutch were arguably the best left side Oline in NFL history. Besides enabling Alexander, Walt only gave up one, that's one sack in his entire career!
After all the pre-season is over, I don't see Fant making the roster.
The biggest discovery with this question is that it's apparently a low bar to clear
BREAKING - Pete Carroll let slip the Seahawks are playing the Raiders in the first pre-season game.
It'd be cool if it's in Seattle and Pete gets a big welcome. As far as team and players go, it'll be exams for position competitions, no extra juice for anyone except the fans.
I think it’s likely. The NFC has only 8 home regular season games, so they get 2 of the three preseason games as home games. Likely a sell out!
Take a 1000 pts for 'off-fences'. That got a groan, an eye-roll, and a chuckle all at the same time.
MacIntosh, I think, would have been very good. Really too bad about the injury. He never really got started.
2025 might prove to be right up there, simply because there's 8 players in the pool. You only need to hit on a couple of them, and anything more than that you're right in the mix. We'll have to wait until 2028 to start sorting that out though. Waaaaaay too early for that now.
A lot less news from now until OTA's start May 27th. The draft coverage is drying up and not much else going on. Thankfully SSJ is still keeping the Seahawks content coming!
2000, hands down. Best RB in team history and a top 5 WR.
What about ‘97? HOFer Walter Jones is among the greatest offensive linemen ever and Itula Mili was an at minimum serviceable TE for nine years.
Curious to see who DK gets to drop crucial catches for this year. Also want to see if he can break his 6 3rd-down-conversions-brought-back-by-his-dumb-penalties record he set last year. It might be difficult, but I have faith in him, especially when they are 4-10 late in the season.
Looks like we get them Week 2, a leak from the Pittsburgh press. Rumors are we open at home so this would be our first road game. If it's Pittsburgh's first home game then the energy levels should be high enough for DK to do something stupid. Especially bc it will be against Tariq who's played against him more than any CB in the NFL I'd imagine...hopefully begins to frustrate him early in the game
People are under-rating Porkchop in 2001. Hutch plus Porkchop plus Koren is better than Shaun and Darrell on AV. Shaun doesn't do as well without Hutch, either. I don't blame Hutch for the poison pill. Ruskell could have used a tag on Hutch, but he kind of sucked at personnel management. We are so spoiled now with John.
Absolutely! Pork Chop was solid, and I really think I might be the biggest JS fan not named "Schneider".
One thing of note about Arroyo and Horton, and it goes to what I said in my defense of another comment defending my position the Seahawks are a 12 win team. — Yes we’ve lost DK and Lockett, but I believe we have replaced then in the aggregate. — If he stays healthy, Kupp might prove a better performer this year than Lockett. MVS provides a bit of a deep threat that can keep the safety from creeping up. But Horton is a true deep threat with sub 4.4 speed. MM in discussing Horton said he can really take the top off the defense. (In speaking of his deep threat) But then he went on to say in this system (offense) you really have to be able to run all the routes. (As a receiver) Horton can run all the routes, and he can get open, has size, AND has good hands. I’ve watch a half dozen of his highlight and analysis videos If you watch just one, watch how he played against Prime Time’s Colorado Buffalos. How many yards did DK have last year? How many TDs? How many TDs in the second half of the season last year? The addition of Arroyo, Horton, MVS and Kupp to join JSN, Fant, and Barner can give us a very solid and perhaps more productive passing game. Oh and the cap space we still have would be gone if we kept Lockett and DK.
I think one of the biggest problems with comparing players subtracted to players added this year is that we're not comparing rosters in the same scheme. I think what makes Kubiaks system work is different that what might have made Grubb's work. It seems like route diversity is more important in Kubiaks, so defenses can't key on a reduced set of options to cover. I assume the players we've added are here because they fit what Kubiak wants to do. That's not to say that they players no longer here weren't, because there could be other reasons why that didn't work out (money for one).
None of us will know 'til we know.
If you head over to All_22 he's starting a 3 part series on what he think Kubiak will be running in Seattle. Here's part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxGmnfqxm0Q&t=620s
He talks a lot about what he thinks Kubiak will do specifically with Milroe. Pretty interesting.
Thanks Chris, I follow All_22’s channel, and I’m with you it needs to be a more than one guy leaving and who is his replacement analysis. That’s why I talk about Arroyo as part of the aggregate replacing DK and Lockett. He’s very fast for a TE and often lines up split out like a receiver. A certain portion of his snaps might be in a more WR role, yet he’s listed as a TE. Almost 2/3 of our snaps last year were passing plays. I would expect (and hope) that that number drops by at least 10% to say 57%. We might pass the ball less, but actually have a more effective passing game and a far more effective running game.
I think Geno is as good or better a QB as Darnold in general, but I would not be surprised if Darnold is a better fit for Kubiak. Likewise I feel, after hearing MM’s comments about the needs for a WR to be able to run all the routes in this system in praising Horton’s route running capabilities, that DK was not as high on Kubiak’s want list. Kubiak will run a high percentage of 12 and 21 personnel groups. Only 2 WRs will be on the field and versatility in route running will be more highly valued. The coaches and management will never say anything bot great things about Geno and DK and any former player. But that doesn’t actually mean they’re feeling the departure of those players as a terrible loss.
Time will tell, but I still feel good about this year. I know MM is very big on versatile players. Maybe he likes that on offense as well. Arroyo is one of those versatile players. It is worthy of note that Emmanwori is an incredibly versatile player. In his college career he has over 100 snaps as a slot corner, an outside corner, a safety AND an inside LB. Yes inside LB. When you think about it his size 6’3” and over 220lbs, he is big enough to play ILB. Maybe not on 2nd and 2, but on 3rd and 13? He would offer some run support and as a cover LB he’d offer a tremendous advantage for MM.
If Young makes the team, Walker & Lucas stay healthy and ball out, and Cross continues to improve, 2022 will be in the conversation.
I had to vote for 2001 because I think Hutch had a hand in Alexander's MVP, and was perhaps the best guard in NFL history.
I almost wrote in 1997 because of Walter Jones and Itula Mili (Big Walt doing all the heavy lifting), but filling 4 starting positions had to break the tie between HOFers for me.
I wonder how Seattle ranks in all-time UDFA players vs. other teams. Dave Kreig, Doug Baldwin, Jermain Kearse, and Thomas Rawls are a pretty good start.
Don't discount Bobo.
I’m going with ‘97. Mike Holmgren says that Big Walt is the best offensive player he coached, and I know that he’s the best offensive player that I saw personally. And I saw John Elway.
I'd vote for the 2001 class in part bc I think Shaun Alexander had a big helping hand running behind two HOF'ers. But, I'd submit the 2012 class as well (perhaps using a technicality...).
Obviously Player #1 is Russell Wilson, and given he plays QB that almost puts the 2012 class into the mix all by itself. But there was also Robert Turbin, and that 5th round pick we gave Buffalo for Marshawn Lynch (that's the technicality); JR Sweezy who converted to guard (another technicality as he was actually a defender when drafted); and UDFA Jerome Kearse.
If we can count Marshawn, I think 2012 could make its argument for the award -- or maybe even without him, since Russ (with all his flaws) may have been the biggest game changer in Seahawks history.
Ha! Posted at the same time!
I dont think we can count Marshawn because we got him in a trade. If we can do that, I'll go 1977 for the Largent trade giving up only an 8th rd pick for him.
Don't get me wrong, though! I am on-board with 2012. Especially since it most directly led to our SB win because of Russ.