If we subscribe that this is a weak draft, why would the Seahawks draft at 32? A weak draft has nowhere near 32 players with first round grades on them. It might not have 12. So why stick in round 1 and pick a 2nd or 3rd round player grade in 32?
That's of course, if you buy the narrative this is a weak draft class. I'm not an expert, but that seems to be what most talent evaluators are saying. Of course, why would anyone trade UP to get that same player in round 1? So if it doesn't make sense to stick and pick if it's not a round 1 player grade, it's even dumber to trade up for the privilege.
I 'almost' subscribe to this being a 'weak' draft...because I 'almost' subscribe that the punditry out there 'almost' knows what they're talking about. A "weak draft" is not always weak in every position. If, out of 32 picks, there are a dozen legit 1st round prospects, and if enough desperate GM's with one foot in the unemployment line and the other on a banana peel draft for perceived 'need' rather than BPA...then there could very well be a legit 1st rounder at #32 (or worth trading up for?). I'm always amazed at the great players who get passed up by GM's who hope to be rescued by an, ultimately disappointing, QB. It's all those spoons in the GM drawer that 'may' allow a sharp knife like JS to score a legit plug and play 1st rounder at #32... even WITH an 'overall' weak draft.
DISCLAIMER: Bob logic can not be relied on...ever.
Second, I would agree, it wouldn't be the first time that other GM's bypassed a gem by drafting for their jobs instead of for their team. If by chance a JS gem is still there, but all means stick and pick. But, those last 5 or 6 teams drafting ahead of us are pretty well run organizations, so I think the chances are slim a legit player gets by them all. But we'll see.
At the beginning you asked a question. Answer. You’re damn right it was worth it!!!!!! I’m all for drafting (or being slotted at 32) multiple times. Being “last” is FIRST!!! (Sorry to swear)
I would not know a Best Player Available unless I am told here on SSJ. I have no doubt the questions flying around college and pro coaches right now is do you have any PHENOMENAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS, as was described about AJ Terrel above. Give these guys access to MM and his Coaches, and watch out. These are the young men who KNOW they can do anything. It is the crtieria JS uses to find his picks deep in the Draft.
Yeah. I can't keep up with all that college talent myself. Too many...my head filled up a while back so when I learn another name, something somewhere gets deleted. Figuring out 'who' may be a great pick at #32 is way above my brain grade. I wonder how much scouting of the smaller colleges goes on. Could be a sleeper or two at that level...names nobody has even heard of yet (Cooper Kupp, EWU ?).
Anyone remember that Hawks QB who went to Milton College...which doesn't even exist now?
I follow the draft somewhat obsessively because it is a puzzle which cannot be solved. (I'm actually not a puzzle person. It's a coping mechanism.) Last year there were roster holes so obvious that filling them seemed equally obvious. This year...not so much. This year is about nuance and fit, and I am ill-equipped to make those close calls.
We lost to free agency a RB, CB, and Edge. Thus, the pundits will not be satisfied unless we replace those guys in the draft, regardless the capacity of this draft class to fill those shoes adequately. Remember that Riq was not expected to return when the season began, that Boye clearly was worth more to the Bengals than to the Seahawks, and that Walker's injury history and need to be load managed throughout the season mitigated against his salary expectations. That is, they never expected those guys back. So they have a plan. We just don't know what it is. But I'll be shocked if it's a 1:1 replacement of those three positions with our first three choices.
A smart guy on another board noted that he thinks it's bad policy to draft over starting players (in R1 or R2) on rookie contracts. Which makes good sense, to me, so I don't see us going IOL at the top of the board.
I do think D makes sense as a probable focus. I saw a gleam in Mike McDonald's eyes when someone asked, during the Combine, I think, whether he could use another versatile player like Emmanwori in his scheme. So I won't be surprised if we draft LB or S, because those are strong positions, irrespective of positional value.
But mostly I'm just trying to learn about players so when the draft does happen I can make a little sense of the Seahawks' process and plan.
What a dilemma...on the horns man. I'm a front four (or five on offense) kind of guy. JS recognizing the role the front four on D made on our success, and being a strategic thinker where Leonard and Jarren are concerned, he 'may' want to keep that front rotation loaded. The edges and CB's are so key too, but I feel they are made better by a pocket crushing front four than the other way around. Not sure there are any wrong answers...I can see the upside of "any of the above". BPA works for me (except maybe a LS or kicker). A perplexing plethora of variables constantly changing before pick 32...but I trust JS's ability to juggle tennis balls and chainsaws with one hand while solving a Rubics Cube with the other and making the best possible pick when it comes. In Bob's book, JS should wear leotards and cape with a big "GM" on his chest.
Try to get THAT brain worm out of your noggin right?
Yeah, at 32 there are just so many names and ways you could feasibly go. You could shore up the interior with Caleb Banks or Kayden McDonald, take a flyer on at least a dozen Edge/OLB options (hopefully not, it should be a flag to anyone that so many Edge/OLB's are ranked in this way, wait until Rd3), feels like there's a half-dozen DB's, and i've thrown out Guard options like Bisontis or Rutledge or do something really surprising with Slaughter. Keep saying it, after the Top8 picks whether it's #9 or #99 the gap in evaluation is really not that big.
What if... Garrett Nussmeier. Either to draft or as the carrot that gets a trade over the line. If not for LSU's weirdly inept medical staff he'd be a 1st Rd lock, and that medical issue is not degenerative or even that complex.
I really would love the trade down. I'd be so much happier with another one or two day 2 picks where the pressure is off. Simpson or Nussmeier could be enough to make that happen. Certainly it'll be a very long night as a 'Hawks fan (unless we trade away #32 early for... say... Garrett... i'm trying to force this into existence)
I'm no expert, but if the crop of plug and play big guys is deep enough, I'd be skookum (is that a word?) if JS traded down and got a Guardzilla and a B. Murphy clone with the first two 2nd round picks.
I know, that's why I'm only a GM in my imagination.
I posted a group of players last year that fit into 3 buckets(athleticism/production/intangibles). There were like 20-25 players I think. We drafted 4 of those players with our first 4 picks. So here's the list this year. I hope you like centers and guards...
OT:Proctor, Feeling, Lomu, Miller
G:Fano,Pregnon,Farmer,Roberts,Carmona Jr, Morris
C:Lew, Hecht, Zuhn III, Parker II, Jones, Coogan, Gulbin, Slaughter, Burton
TE: Sadiq, Stowers, Endies, Bentley
WR: although the most important trait seems to be production- if looking at all three buckets...Lance, Heidenreich
RB: Love, Price, Singleton, McGowen, Reid
QB: Mendoza, Green, Allar
DT: Woods, Halton, Proctor, Gill-Howard
Edge: Reese, Bailey, Jacas, Dennis-Sutton
LB: Styles, Hill, Rodriguez, Golday, Louis
S: Thieneman, Stukes, Ramsey
CB : Hood, Demmings
If we look at likely draft position we could rule out a ton in the first round....the likely left over undrafted at 32 might be Thieneman, Woods, Hood, or Hill. Don't be surprised if Jacas or Price or Pregnon get bumped up...Miller could be out there which is why I ask about taking OT? Anyways just my two cents and research from last year?...we'll see.
There are a few that are close....honorable mentions...Rutledge guard, Washington RB, Lemon WR, and more so don't get mad at me....I'll miss a few probably.
Sorry forget to mention this year's third bucket was hard to get to since senior bowl and all the trading schools stuff is happening...so the group got bigger.. If you've heard anything bad about any of these players I would reduce their chances of being on the Seahawks.
I'm not sure if this is the right thread to include this thought, but I've been thinking about the Seahawks running back position as a whole recently. How will they approach it in the draft?
This is really John and Mike's first chance at building out the RB room. Both Ken and Zach were selected with Pete heavily influencing the decisions. What is Mike's vision for the position? I tend to agree with Seaside Joe, that I don't expect significant draft investment at the position. I think the people influencing the decision this time are of the mindset that you can find good RBs anywhere and here's why:
1. The Seahawks new RBs coach is the old Raven's coach before they got Derrick Henry. In that time he coached Alex Collins (a cheap FA acquisition cut by the Hawks) and a 29/30 year old Justin Forsett (Another cheap FA) to a career year.
2. The Shanahan system has historically elevated undrafted/late round draft picks to high end talents. Before CMC, the 49ers Raheem Mostert (UDFA), Jeff Wilson (UDFA), and Matt Breida (UDFA) where all major contributors. When CMC was injured, Jordan Mason (UDFA) played phenomenally. Go further back to Arian Foster (UDFA) with Gary Kubiak or Alfred Morris (6th Rnd) with Mike Shanahan. Even some of the 'newer' coaches have been successful like Aaron Jones (5th Rnd) with Matt Lafleur.
3. I don't think Emmanuel Wilson was signed to eventually be shoved into an RB3/RB4 role once Charbs comes back healthy. The dude played 30% of the snaps behind Josh Jacobs, and showed out in the one game Jacobs was out. I think they want a legit RB2 competition heading into fall camp, and selecting an RB in the first couple rounds skews that competition. Grab someone in the 6th, and you can survive the first few weeks of the season with Charbs on the PUP.
I could be incredibly wrong as I've been before, and I really do love Jadarian Price as a prospect. But I'd much prefer they invest more in the O-line at earlier rounds than select an RB.
Of course this is the right thread for a well researched insightful look at the possible clue of what our new, less than spectacular, RB coach may mean to our RB priorities in the upcoming draft. Your comments rocked! I'm a top 5 thread surfer when it comes to 'inappropriate' or 'non sequiturs'...fluff with a side of questionable acumen. Your comments were as provoking as thoughts get in my noggin.
I tend to favor taking our front four on D from "The Dark Side" to a 'Black Hole' from which even light can't escape with pick #32. Big fan of overkill.
Having said that, I LOVE the run game and would do my happy dance (somewhat traumatizing to witness) if JS can snag Jadarian at 32.
I'm all in on adding to the D-line. You can never have too many rotating in, and keeping guys healthy. Plus, we have (3) expiring contracts and (2) 34 year olds starting a large chuck of D-line snaps. I like the idea of keeping a strength a strength and still future proofing.
100% agree with the run game love. If we take Price (or really any RB for that matter), I'll be watching his highlights daily until the start of training camp.
I belive JS when he makes statements in his interviews. He said "you can find those guys". Seems to me like he would only look RB if we traded back and got extra picks or decided on a day 3.
I’m BPA, hoping that this player is a CB or a safety.
Whether the Hawks can get away with lesser talent at CB depends, I think, on one’s view of Woolen. If you like him warts and all, Seattle had an enviably deep CB room last year. You question whether Josh Jobe can handle playing 95% of snaps or how effective he’d be with Nehemiah Pritchett playing 3rd CB. It wouldn’t bother you to draft a CB at #32, especially if he were the BPA.
Same at safety, where you have similar concerns about Ty Okada. While Coby Bryant may not be a Pro Bowler, he has greater range and better ball skills than Okada. It niggles at you that Okada had two defensive snaps in the conference championship and none in the Super Bowl. While MM might well in effect replace many of Bryant’s snaps with Nick Emmanwori, you can still see using any of the first three picks on a safety.
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Speaking of BPAs, Robert Turbin and Corbin Smith had a hilarious exchange on a recent Locked On Seahawks. Turbo said somewhat grouchily that BPA doesn’t always work out, and he could think of an unnamed one that blew up in Schneider’s face. Smith laughed and added that he was thinking of the number “2013.”
“Corbin, you know too g*****n much.”
Turbo comes across as pretty relaxed. In this case, his voice dripped with genuine dislike.
Whether we trade back or not, no one should be surprised if our first picks are DB and/or pass-rusher. There seems to be decent depth, but a lack of high-end talent, in the draft at these positions and they fill a need. The question is will anyone at those positions actually be worth the pick? I doubt it. Just based on the number of high-upside prospects, I think there is a higher likelihood that the best player available will be an offensive lineman at #32.
I keep screwing with mock-draft engines online, creating various scenarios of ranked positional values and drafting for (perceived) need. Clearly it’s impossible to get inside JS’s head and he is VERY adept at keeping his cards close to his vest… So here’s my best shot at predicting the Hawk’s first round draft:
#32 - Best player available with emphasis on ED, DB, or plug-and-play IOL (either an experienced OG or an OT capable of transitioning to OG. Even though the OL really jelled by the end of last season, I’m still a bit anxious about RG).
ED - Keldric Faulk, Akheem Messidor; DB - Jermod McCoy, Avieon Terrell, Dillon Thieneman, Emmanuel McNeil-Warren; IOL - Vega Ioane, Monroe Freeling; essentially players that SHOULD have been drafted in the teens and twenties but slipped to the end of the round.
In the event that one of these (or another) freak athlete does NOT fall to 32, trade back to R2 for additional R3/4/5 capital. The overall draft does seem relatively deep for both ED and DB, so JS should still be able to get value at key positions on days two and three.
If John Schneider doesn’t see a great edge or cornerback, I would say trade pick 32.
I like how the pundits kept using “several” when we only lost two in the defensive backfield that I remember and only a few on defense totally. Several sounds like the backfield was decimated. While we are on that subject I like Seaside Joe’s headlines. Some of the headlines of the sportswriters’ seem to be written by AI.
I really don’t want to predict a player or position at 32. Last year, with the Hawks missing the playoffs, I was into the draft (and free agency) right after week 18. I watched tons of film, did dozens of mocks, built my own big board with the big boards of J Foster (incredible interactive big board with so much info on each player) and Brugler’s The beast when that finally came out. I didn’t do as well with my predicted players as I hoped, and I was plenty pleased with how well JS did.
So this year I’m relaxed, watching film, getting to know the players, coming up with players I like, but I’m not predicting anything. I will make some observations. Last year a player with a first round grade was available in the 2nd round at pick 35. The year before I liked Byron Murphy, but people were convinced he was a top ten pick and would be long gone at 16. Anything is possible for us at 32.
Prediction 1: The Seahawks will stay and pick at 32 for one of two reasons. There’s a player who falls to 32 who they feel is a 1st round player (hopefully at a position of need as well). They may also stay and pick at 32 even if there is no player with a 1st round grade if they can’t find a trade back partner. If they stay and pick at 32, let’s hope the reason is the first one.
Prediction 2: Chenna, Hall and D-Law could all be gone after this season. They will use one of their 1st three picks on an Edge, most likely one of their first two picks.
Prediction 3: One of their 1st three picks will be a CB. (This is far from great insight. But I’ll put it here anyway)
Prediction 4: If they do trade back from 32 and get a 4th round or perhaps another 3rd round pick depending on how far they trade back, I think they will use the extra pick on an IOL. I think they would be prepared to roll it back this year with Bradford, but there is nothing wrong adding a 3rd or 4th round pick to compete and push for the job.
Prediction 5: Christian Haynes gets traded for a late day three pick.
I’m still looking at the draft candidates for each pick, we have 26 days to go! Don’t fret the draft. JS has it under full control. Keep your eye on the 30 visits. There have been a couple of RBs come in that look like day three possibilities. Maybe that means an RB is not a sure thing in rounds 1,2 and 3.
Too many good choices! Considering the 'odds' it's hard not to put, at least, a tiny wager on a LS at 32. As likely as getting struck by lightning...twice...on the same day...but if one DID score, it's off to Palm trees and beaches in a private jet.
I’m with you—I feel way more relaxed this offseason. No mocks, no hours of research… just spending time with the fam. Part of me thinks this is healthy, the other part is like “what kind of fan have I become?” 😂l
Maybe we could tell ourselves we did all the work a fan could be expected to do, and we mocked the Seahawks the best owner, best GM, and best coach in our own three-round draft.
A fan with one of the best GMs and one of the best head coaches in the league. I even feel good about our new first time OC. Who has yet to call a play in the NFL. Go figure.
I feel ya! EVERYONE has Super Bowl fairy dust on them right now. I need sunscreen from basking in the glow of the 2025 Seahawks. I love the smell of dynasty in the morning.
We’re the ones sitting on the top of the hill. Someone else has to arm up and try to push us off. With all the work I put in last year, I’m pretty sure they would have won the Super Bowl without me. If we don’t get there next year, you’ll see me jump back into the fray.
Sneaky 1st round option would be an athletic DT that might be an eventual Big Cat and JReed replacement (3tech rather than nose). The DLine is so important to McDonalds defense stopping the run while still in nickel packages, and can be hard to find good players later in the draft.
If we subscribe that this is a weak draft, why would the Seahawks draft at 32? A weak draft has nowhere near 32 players with first round grades on them. It might not have 12. So why stick in round 1 and pick a 2nd or 3rd round player grade in 32?
That's of course, if you buy the narrative this is a weak draft class. I'm not an expert, but that seems to be what most talent evaluators are saying. Of course, why would anyone trade UP to get that same player in round 1? So if it doesn't make sense to stick and pick if it's not a round 1 player grade, it's even dumber to trade up for the privilege.
I 'almost' subscribe to this being a 'weak' draft...because I 'almost' subscribe that the punditry out there 'almost' knows what they're talking about. A "weak draft" is not always weak in every position. If, out of 32 picks, there are a dozen legit 1st round prospects, and if enough desperate GM's with one foot in the unemployment line and the other on a banana peel draft for perceived 'need' rather than BPA...then there could very well be a legit 1st rounder at #32 (or worth trading up for?). I'm always amazed at the great players who get passed up by GM's who hope to be rescued by an, ultimately disappointing, QB. It's all those spoons in the GM drawer that 'may' allow a sharp knife like JS to score a legit plug and play 1st rounder at #32... even WITH an 'overall' weak draft.
DISCLAIMER: Bob logic can not be relied on...ever.
First, you get 1000 pts for 'punditry'.
Second, I would agree, it wouldn't be the first time that other GM's bypassed a gem by drafting for their jobs instead of for their team. If by chance a JS gem is still there, but all means stick and pick. But, those last 5 or 6 teams drafting ahead of us are pretty well run organizations, so I think the chances are slim a legit player gets by them all. But we'll see.
Tough call. I'll have to waste a chicken and read some bones on that...as reliable as all the mainstream pundimonium. (*groan*...5 points, tops).
At the beginning you asked a question. Answer. You’re damn right it was worth it!!!!!! I’m all for drafting (or being slotted at 32) multiple times. Being “last” is FIRST!!! (Sorry to swear)
I would not know a Best Player Available unless I am told here on SSJ. I have no doubt the questions flying around college and pro coaches right now is do you have any PHENOMENAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS, as was described about AJ Terrel above. Give these guys access to MM and his Coaches, and watch out. These are the young men who KNOW they can do anything. It is the crtieria JS uses to find his picks deep in the Draft.
Yeah. I can't keep up with all that college talent myself. Too many...my head filled up a while back so when I learn another name, something somewhere gets deleted. Figuring out 'who' may be a great pick at #32 is way above my brain grade. I wonder how much scouting of the smaller colleges goes on. Could be a sleeper or two at that level...names nobody has even heard of yet (Cooper Kupp, EWU ?).
Anyone remember that Hawks QB who went to Milton College...which doesn't even exist now?
The guy Erickson found?
This coaching staff is built to coach up the deficiencies of the current batch of incoming rookies.
I follow the draft somewhat obsessively because it is a puzzle which cannot be solved. (I'm actually not a puzzle person. It's a coping mechanism.) Last year there were roster holes so obvious that filling them seemed equally obvious. This year...not so much. This year is about nuance and fit, and I am ill-equipped to make those close calls.
We lost to free agency a RB, CB, and Edge. Thus, the pundits will not be satisfied unless we replace those guys in the draft, regardless the capacity of this draft class to fill those shoes adequately. Remember that Riq was not expected to return when the season began, that Boye clearly was worth more to the Bengals than to the Seahawks, and that Walker's injury history and need to be load managed throughout the season mitigated against his salary expectations. That is, they never expected those guys back. So they have a plan. We just don't know what it is. But I'll be shocked if it's a 1:1 replacement of those three positions with our first three choices.
A smart guy on another board noted that he thinks it's bad policy to draft over starting players (in R1 or R2) on rookie contracts. Which makes good sense, to me, so I don't see us going IOL at the top of the board.
I do think D makes sense as a probable focus. I saw a gleam in Mike McDonald's eyes when someone asked, during the Combine, I think, whether he could use another versatile player like Emmanwori in his scheme. So I won't be surprised if we draft LB or S, because those are strong positions, irrespective of positional value.
But mostly I'm just trying to learn about players so when the draft does happen I can make a little sense of the Seahawks' process and plan.
Depends on who is available at Edge. If not a good choice available, I think they try to trade down and add picks in an overall weak draft.
What a dilemma...on the horns man. I'm a front four (or five on offense) kind of guy. JS recognizing the role the front four on D made on our success, and being a strategic thinker where Leonard and Jarren are concerned, he 'may' want to keep that front rotation loaded. The edges and CB's are so key too, but I feel they are made better by a pocket crushing front four than the other way around. Not sure there are any wrong answers...I can see the upside of "any of the above". BPA works for me (except maybe a LS or kicker). A perplexing plethora of variables constantly changing before pick 32...but I trust JS's ability to juggle tennis balls and chainsaws with one hand while solving a Rubics Cube with the other and making the best possible pick when it comes. In Bob's book, JS should wear leotards and cape with a big "GM" on his chest.
Try to get THAT brain worm out of your noggin right?
Yeah, at 32 there are just so many names and ways you could feasibly go. You could shore up the interior with Caleb Banks or Kayden McDonald, take a flyer on at least a dozen Edge/OLB options (hopefully not, it should be a flag to anyone that so many Edge/OLB's are ranked in this way, wait until Rd3), feels like there's a half-dozen DB's, and i've thrown out Guard options like Bisontis or Rutledge or do something really surprising with Slaughter. Keep saying it, after the Top8 picks whether it's #9 or #99 the gap in evaluation is really not that big.
What if... Garrett Nussmeier. Either to draft or as the carrot that gets a trade over the line. If not for LSU's weirdly inept medical staff he'd be a 1st Rd lock, and that medical issue is not degenerative or even that complex.
I really would love the trade down. I'd be so much happier with another one or two day 2 picks where the pressure is off. Simpson or Nussmeier could be enough to make that happen. Certainly it'll be a very long night as a 'Hawks fan (unless we trade away #32 early for... say... Garrett... i'm trying to force this into existence)
I'm no expert, but if the crop of plug and play big guys is deep enough, I'd be skookum (is that a word?) if JS traded down and got a Guardzilla and a B. Murphy clone with the first two 2nd round picks.
I know, that's why I'm only a GM in my imagination.
Trade out of first round and pick up an extra pick unless their top rated players drop down to them.
I posted a group of players last year that fit into 3 buckets(athleticism/production/intangibles). There were like 20-25 players I think. We drafted 4 of those players with our first 4 picks. So here's the list this year. I hope you like centers and guards...
OT:Proctor, Feeling, Lomu, Miller
G:Fano,Pregnon,Farmer,Roberts,Carmona Jr, Morris
C:Lew, Hecht, Zuhn III, Parker II, Jones, Coogan, Gulbin, Slaughter, Burton
TE: Sadiq, Stowers, Endies, Bentley
WR: although the most important trait seems to be production- if looking at all three buckets...Lance, Heidenreich
RB: Love, Price, Singleton, McGowen, Reid
QB: Mendoza, Green, Allar
DT: Woods, Halton, Proctor, Gill-Howard
Edge: Reese, Bailey, Jacas, Dennis-Sutton
LB: Styles, Hill, Rodriguez, Golday, Louis
S: Thieneman, Stukes, Ramsey
CB : Hood, Demmings
If we look at likely draft position we could rule out a ton in the first round....the likely left over undrafted at 32 might be Thieneman, Woods, Hood, or Hill. Don't be surprised if Jacas or Price or Pregnon get bumped up...Miller could be out there which is why I ask about taking OT? Anyways just my two cents and research from last year?...we'll see.
There are a few that are close....honorable mentions...Rutledge guard, Washington RB, Lemon WR, and more so don't get mad at me....I'll miss a few probably.
Sorry forget to mention this year's third bucket was hard to get to since senior bowl and all the trading schools stuff is happening...so the group got bigger.. If you've heard anything bad about any of these players I would reduce their chances of being on the Seahawks.
I'm not sure if this is the right thread to include this thought, but I've been thinking about the Seahawks running back position as a whole recently. How will they approach it in the draft?
This is really John and Mike's first chance at building out the RB room. Both Ken and Zach were selected with Pete heavily influencing the decisions. What is Mike's vision for the position? I tend to agree with Seaside Joe, that I don't expect significant draft investment at the position. I think the people influencing the decision this time are of the mindset that you can find good RBs anywhere and here's why:
1. The Seahawks new RBs coach is the old Raven's coach before they got Derrick Henry. In that time he coached Alex Collins (a cheap FA acquisition cut by the Hawks) and a 29/30 year old Justin Forsett (Another cheap FA) to a career year.
2. The Shanahan system has historically elevated undrafted/late round draft picks to high end talents. Before CMC, the 49ers Raheem Mostert (UDFA), Jeff Wilson (UDFA), and Matt Breida (UDFA) where all major contributors. When CMC was injured, Jordan Mason (UDFA) played phenomenally. Go further back to Arian Foster (UDFA) with Gary Kubiak or Alfred Morris (6th Rnd) with Mike Shanahan. Even some of the 'newer' coaches have been successful like Aaron Jones (5th Rnd) with Matt Lafleur.
3. I don't think Emmanuel Wilson was signed to eventually be shoved into an RB3/RB4 role once Charbs comes back healthy. The dude played 30% of the snaps behind Josh Jacobs, and showed out in the one game Jacobs was out. I think they want a legit RB2 competition heading into fall camp, and selecting an RB in the first couple rounds skews that competition. Grab someone in the 6th, and you can survive the first few weeks of the season with Charbs on the PUP.
I could be incredibly wrong as I've been before, and I really do love Jadarian Price as a prospect. But I'd much prefer they invest more in the O-line at earlier rounds than select an RB.
Of course this is the right thread for a well researched insightful look at the possible clue of what our new, less than spectacular, RB coach may mean to our RB priorities in the upcoming draft. Your comments rocked! I'm a top 5 thread surfer when it comes to 'inappropriate' or 'non sequiturs'...fluff with a side of questionable acumen. Your comments were as provoking as thoughts get in my noggin.
I tend to favor taking our front four on D from "The Dark Side" to a 'Black Hole' from which even light can't escape with pick #32. Big fan of overkill.
Having said that, I LOVE the run game and would do my happy dance (somewhat traumatizing to witness) if JS can snag Jadarian at 32.
Thank you - I appreciate the vote of confidence!
I'm all in on adding to the D-line. You can never have too many rotating in, and keeping guys healthy. Plus, we have (3) expiring contracts and (2) 34 year olds starting a large chuck of D-line snaps. I like the idea of keeping a strength a strength and still future proofing.
100% agree with the run game love. If we take Price (or really any RB for that matter), I'll be watching his highlights daily until the start of training camp.
I belive JS when he makes statements in his interviews. He said "you can find those guys". Seems to me like he would only look RB if we traded back and got extra picks or decided on a day 3.
I’m BPA, hoping that this player is a CB or a safety.
Whether the Hawks can get away with lesser talent at CB depends, I think, on one’s view of Woolen. If you like him warts and all, Seattle had an enviably deep CB room last year. You question whether Josh Jobe can handle playing 95% of snaps or how effective he’d be with Nehemiah Pritchett playing 3rd CB. It wouldn’t bother you to draft a CB at #32, especially if he were the BPA.
Same at safety, where you have similar concerns about Ty Okada. While Coby Bryant may not be a Pro Bowler, he has greater range and better ball skills than Okada. It niggles at you that Okada had two defensive snaps in the conference championship and none in the Super Bowl. While MM might well in effect replace many of Bryant’s snaps with Nick Emmanwori, you can still see using any of the first three picks on a safety.
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Speaking of BPAs, Robert Turbin and Corbin Smith had a hilarious exchange on a recent Locked On Seahawks. Turbo said somewhat grouchily that BPA doesn’t always work out, and he could think of an unnamed one that blew up in Schneider’s face. Smith laughed and added that he was thinking of the number “2013.”
“Corbin, you know too g*****n much.”
Turbo comes across as pretty relaxed. In this case, his voice dripped with genuine dislike.
Whether we trade back or not, no one should be surprised if our first picks are DB and/or pass-rusher. There seems to be decent depth, but a lack of high-end talent, in the draft at these positions and they fill a need. The question is will anyone at those positions actually be worth the pick? I doubt it. Just based on the number of high-upside prospects, I think there is a higher likelihood that the best player available will be an offensive lineman at #32.
I keep screwing with mock-draft engines online, creating various scenarios of ranked positional values and drafting for (perceived) need. Clearly it’s impossible to get inside JS’s head and he is VERY adept at keeping his cards close to his vest… So here’s my best shot at predicting the Hawk’s first round draft:
#32 - Best player available with emphasis on ED, DB, or plug-and-play IOL (either an experienced OG or an OT capable of transitioning to OG. Even though the OL really jelled by the end of last season, I’m still a bit anxious about RG).
ED - Keldric Faulk, Akheem Messidor; DB - Jermod McCoy, Avieon Terrell, Dillon Thieneman, Emmanuel McNeil-Warren; IOL - Vega Ioane, Monroe Freeling; essentially players that SHOULD have been drafted in the teens and twenties but slipped to the end of the round.
In the event that one of these (or another) freak athlete does NOT fall to 32, trade back to R2 for additional R3/4/5 capital. The overall draft does seem relatively deep for both ED and DB, so JS should still be able to get value at key positions on days two and three.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
If John Schneider doesn’t see a great edge or cornerback, I would say trade pick 32.
I like how the pundits kept using “several” when we only lost two in the defensive backfield that I remember and only a few on defense totally. Several sounds like the backfield was decimated. While we are on that subject I like Seaside Joe’s headlines. Some of the headlines of the sportswriters’ seem to be written by AI.
May the 12’s be with you and Go Seahawks!
I really don’t want to predict a player or position at 32. Last year, with the Hawks missing the playoffs, I was into the draft (and free agency) right after week 18. I watched tons of film, did dozens of mocks, built my own big board with the big boards of J Foster (incredible interactive big board with so much info on each player) and Brugler’s The beast when that finally came out. I didn’t do as well with my predicted players as I hoped, and I was plenty pleased with how well JS did.
So this year I’m relaxed, watching film, getting to know the players, coming up with players I like, but I’m not predicting anything. I will make some observations. Last year a player with a first round grade was available in the 2nd round at pick 35. The year before I liked Byron Murphy, but people were convinced he was a top ten pick and would be long gone at 16. Anything is possible for us at 32.
Prediction 1: The Seahawks will stay and pick at 32 for one of two reasons. There’s a player who falls to 32 who they feel is a 1st round player (hopefully at a position of need as well). They may also stay and pick at 32 even if there is no player with a 1st round grade if they can’t find a trade back partner. If they stay and pick at 32, let’s hope the reason is the first one.
Prediction 2: Chenna, Hall and D-Law could all be gone after this season. They will use one of their 1st three picks on an Edge, most likely one of their first two picks.
Prediction 3: One of their 1st three picks will be a CB. (This is far from great insight. But I’ll put it here anyway)
Prediction 4: If they do trade back from 32 and get a 4th round or perhaps another 3rd round pick depending on how far they trade back, I think they will use the extra pick on an IOL. I think they would be prepared to roll it back this year with Bradford, but there is nothing wrong adding a 3rd or 4th round pick to compete and push for the job.
Prediction 5: Christian Haynes gets traded for a late day three pick.
I’m still looking at the draft candidates for each pick, we have 26 days to go! Don’t fret the draft. JS has it under full control. Keep your eye on the 30 visits. There have been a couple of RBs come in that look like day three possibilities. Maybe that means an RB is not a sure thing in rounds 1,2 and 3.
Too many good choices! Considering the 'odds' it's hard not to put, at least, a tiny wager on a LS at 32. As likely as getting struck by lightning...twice...on the same day...but if one DID score, it's off to Palm trees and beaches in a private jet.
I’m with you—I feel way more relaxed this offseason. No mocks, no hours of research… just spending time with the fam. Part of me thinks this is healthy, the other part is like “what kind of fan have I become?” 😂l
Maybe we could tell ourselves we did all the work a fan could be expected to do, and we mocked the Seahawks the best owner, best GM, and best coach in our own three-round draft.
A fan with one of the best GMs and one of the best head coaches in the league. I even feel good about our new first time OC. Who has yet to call a play in the NFL. Go figure.
I feel ya! EVERYONE has Super Bowl fairy dust on them right now. I need sunscreen from basking in the glow of the 2025 Seahawks. I love the smell of dynasty in the morning.
Danno as cool as a cucumber. 😎
We’re the ones sitting on the top of the hill. Someone else has to arm up and try to push us off. With all the work I put in last year, I’m pretty sure they would have won the Super Bowl without me. If we don’t get there next year, you’ll see me jump back into the fray.
The fun is in the fray right?
Indeed!
Sneaky 1st round option would be an athletic DT that might be an eventual Big Cat and JReed replacement (3tech rather than nose). The DLine is so important to McDonalds defense stopping the run while still in nickel packages, and can be hard to find good players later in the draft.