In terms of national media/public view - JSN. He'll be recognised as the genuine top talent in the upcoming year, it'll just be too much for anyone to ignore for a third year.
In terms of actual improvement - The IOL. Ok stock here is about as low as possible, so it can't go lower. But it'll be clear what better coaching, and specifically play calling, will unlock in our previously rostered options.
This may sound odd, but I’d like to see JSN have greater impact. The receiver who was ninth in the league in receptions was also 35th in TD catches, 22nd in big plays, 12th in YPG, and 21st in YAC.
In the NFL, statistics never tell the whole story. Nonetheless, I’d like to see a stronger link between volume of receptions and their effect. As of now, I see JSN as a really good #2 who no longer plays with another WR anywhere near Metcalf’s class.
Because of Coach K I could see Walker being biggest climber. Considering K9 skills with the ball, and so many calling him injury prone, Walker could get those lofty top 5 RB numbers in Coach K offense. But would love to see a Coby Bryant type growth by either Haynes/Lumeau or Knight. And of course Murphy moving to stellar status.
So not directly on point, but very much in the related ballpark - everyone else seeing the updated Darnold contract details?
And... anyone else absolutely f*cking mindblown by said details?! We apparently vested his 2026 guaranteed monies last month, pushing potential 2026 dead cap up to like $40mil with savings of like $6mil if cut/traded. Placing Darnold in a position to make $66mil of his $100mil deal total, pretty much now guaranteed, over two years. I... huh.... wha.... the f*ck is this contract?
I've never heard of vesting guarantees an ENTIRE year early, before even a single OTA has taken place. Even injury guarantees tend to only kick in once the season itself starts. One the one hand, makes life easy to calculate for 2025 and 2026, and stabilises cash flows. One the other, JS has taken a gamble and a half.
On the third hand, really puts to bed the Geno discussion. If this was the kind of money JS was happy to use up, and in a heavily guaranteed structure (and if we believe the reports that Geno was offered a similar deal), makes clear that Geno just did not want to be in Seattle anymore. No comparision of which QB is/isn't better, one of them was desparate to run run away.
I do, however, think this would clearly impact Draft expectations. Despite my long standing love of Ewers, i think QB almost certainly comes off the board this year. With Howell on just $1.1mil we don't need a cheap back-up, and without anything close to a good exit from Darnold bringing in 'competition' from a development prospect is irrelevant.
With significant guarantees given to Darnold, getting him support will be high up the list of priorities. Makes me a bit more understanding of the Kupp signing, giving Sam as reliable a pair of hands as you possibly could do. WR at #18 i think goes way up the expectation, with basically all media and draft people thinking only one might go before then.
I'd say it also puts Day 2 OLine right up the list. Working on the basis there isn't a suitable option at #18, JS could well be looking at those three other Top100 spots to deal up from 50 to get a Guard. I'm thinking Day 2 could be all Offence, picking up OLine and skill position support (there's a couple of TE options for Day 2, and plenty of extra RB depth, and into Rd 3 you can gamble a bit more on WR as well). And just to contradict myself above talking about WR at #18, the odds of a Defensive 1st Rd pick are as high as they've been all off-season. The two main CB's, (against SSJ's thoughts), the two main Safties, Campbell, Walker. I'll even grudgingly say the Edge's could be in play on Day 1 in my mind now.
Hot damn, draft season is heating up. It's a welcome distraction from.... things... and.... stuff.... I wonder what the next twist will be before the 24th!
Absolutely no on Green or any other player with known character issues. You might take a chance on one in the much later rounds, but why gamble in the 1st five rounds?
Campbell would be a steal at 18 but they should ( God forbid) trade up for him at 13 or above.
Move Fant and save 8.5 mill and draft a TE that doesn't avoid contact.
I can't see a 1st Rd trade this year. A couple of teams above will reach for needs, letting a Top12 talent slide to us at 18. Or similar to a couple of years ago we may well not see an WR go early, allowing us free pick at 18 to take the WR JSMM likes the most, akin to drafting JSN.
I can see movement coming on Day2. Packaging a move up from 50 and down from 52 that keeps us picking at least three times in Top100, and five in the 150. Thats the range to fill needs whilst keeping to the Rd 1 BPA which has served us well as of late.
I would really like to see this. It would allow a shot at a possible superstar playmaker while getting us a starter and 3 quality BPA backup/ possible starters if everything breaks well.
I really think they may go for a WR that falls to 18, maybe Egbuka, provided he is the BPA.
Now is definitely NOT the time to trade K9, heading into a season where he would have the best run game co-ordinator of his career willing to give him more carries than ever before. This is a good crop of RBs, particularly on day 2, but still not enough for me to move on from Walker.
I might consider moving up for Jahdae Barron or Tyler Warren if it didn't break the bank. I hope the biggest improvement comes from Murphy, he could really help the pass rush and run defense. I echo the sentiment about Donovan Jackson, prob not going to take him at 18 but he might be gone before 50...so yeah.?.. So it was mentioned about making walker Rb2 and would like to see that actually. I think it might be the best way to split carries. Let charbs go pound and tire out the defense. Let walker come in and be the change of pace (used later in the game) and third down back. Walker is the better blocker and receiver (imo) and could be a good way to keep him healthy for the whole season. I would consider still splitting carries more evenly or still favoring Walker, but using charbs on early downs and moreso early in the game.
I could see the Seahawks moving up ahead of the colts at 14 if Warren is available at 13 (Miami). It would probably take one of their round 3 picks to do it. We could probably get pick 13 for 18, 92 and one of our 7th round picks. I’m not sure if it would be worth losing one of those third round picks. There’s a huge drop off after the top 10-12 players in this draft, but there are a lot of players with late 2nd and 3rd round grades. Having 4 picks on day two will give you a lot of value. Depending on who is left on the their board when they get to 18, I think they might test the waters on a trade back if anyone has interest in pick 18 and they have no one left with a round one grade. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has a high grade on QB Dart. If so, you might be able to get them to pay a premium for 18 with multiple day 2 picks. So we lose a day one pick where we have no 1st round players left to pick and we wind up with 6 picks on day 2 (rounds 2 and 3)
There are so many good prospects, and so few great prospects that it makes sense to wait and see what happens, reacting to reality in real time and moving up, down, or staying put. I'd only move up for that top edge prospect expected to go in the top three. And trading up that far is unrealistic, I'd stay put for Warren, Golden, and the top CB that doesn't play both ways. Trade down otherwise, and here is my priority one, almost. Get an extra 3rd rounder and take Cabeldue.
I don't think we should trade up from 18. The board will fall to us, we'll get a really good player, and whoever that is will clarify our choices on day two. I do wonder if we want to take 50 or 52 to move up closer to the top of the second round to get someone like Zabel, if he falls, or Donovan Jackson, or Egbuka, or some other target of opportunity. There's also a nice nest of interesting players after 52...but I'm now using the consensus board instead of any individual chart, and they're all flawed. Regardless, I'm going to try to trust the process and try not to second guess it too bitterly after!
Well as much as it pains me to hope for LB Jihaad Campbell over a much need OL. Should J. Campbell fall back because of perception by other teams of his injured shoulder and he is there at #14 or #15, should the Seahawks trade up for him?
I’m pretty sure that’s what they’ll see. The question is, what does that shoulder look like? If they’re 100% on the shoulder, I’d be ecstatic with that pick.
* The 1997 draft yielded *five* HOFers: Orlando Pace, Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Ronde Barber, and Jason Taylor
* I keep hearing that Ohio State guard Donovan Jackson is potentially ideal fit in Seattle. Daniel Jeremiah projects Jackson to go early in the 2nd round. As Joe points out, Schneider’s doesn’t often trade up. But when he does, it’s usually for a good player and he goes for it. Jackson may be one of these players
Seen Jackson in mocks in first but not what JS would do. But if he’s there at or near 50…and they seem to like the Conference that can’t Count, players.
I would trade up for Tyler Warren. Helps the OL, helps convert 3rd downs on a team that’s going to have a lot of 3rd down conversions (bc they want to pound the rock) and bc he gives Darnold options for quick release passes.
Yeah that’s the guessing game — where will he go. I’ve seen as high as the Jets (6) and Carolina or Chicago too — always bc of how much of a help he’ll be to a young QB. Something that high prob also gets you near a Will Campbell or a Membow or a Jalon Walker, would prob have to take one of the OL guys at that point.
But where I’m sure he won’t get past, is Indy at 14. The PFR draft value chart suggests 18 and 82 would nearly get there, so maybe that plus 173 but I think Indy REALLY likes him so it would prob cost us 18 and 52. Which if you thought was buying you Gronk or Gates or Kittle (he’s def not just a Y), might be worth it.
The irony being, none of those TE's were 1st Rd picks (Gronk 2nd, Gates UD, Kittle 5th). I'd prefer saving the picks and trying to get Arroyo in the 2nd or take a swing at Fannin Jr from Bowling State and his frankly wild skills in the 3rd/4th. Put Mason Taylor LSU in that Day 2 TE mix as well. I also think Gunnar Helm, Texas, could have a solid NFL career.
Basically, don't go moving for Warren (or Loveland). If they slip great, but TE can be addressed elsewhere - if JSMM even think it needs addressing.
Could get lucky like that and is in fact the way most tight ends are picked, it's way down the list in terms of positional value.
And although I love Loveland, he's not a Round 1 blocker even though he's a Round 1 receiver. But when you can get both...that's a rare talent.
So a Brock Bowers wasn't going to even make it to 18, and neither will Warren. Whereas Fannin or Taylor or Helm or Arroyo (and another guy I really like who can block his ass off, Evans out of Notre Dame) will prob be waiting in the 50's still. And some of them in the 80's.
I just think Warren is special, will be immediately productive and a difference-maker right out of the box. Highest floor in the draft outside Jeanty and Abdul Carter.
But I'd also be happy with the guys you mentioned, as well as Evans. Just not as happy :-)
Which Seahawks player do anticipate having the biggest stock raise in 2025?
In terms of national media/public view - JSN. He'll be recognised as the genuine top talent in the upcoming year, it'll just be too much for anyone to ignore for a third year.
In terms of actual improvement - The IOL. Ok stock here is about as low as possible, so it can't go lower. But it'll be clear what better coaching, and specifically play calling, will unlock in our previously rostered options.
This may sound odd, but I’d like to see JSN have greater impact. The receiver who was ninth in the league in receptions was also 35th in TD catches, 22nd in big plays, 12th in YPG, and 21st in YAC.
In the NFL, statistics never tell the whole story. Nonetheless, I’d like to see a stronger link between volume of receptions and their effect. As of now, I see JSN as a really good #2 who no longer plays with another WR anywhere near Metcalf’s class.
Woolen, at least defensively. Maybe K9 offensively.
Man, I hope you are right. I am so down on the guy and hate it because he seems a gem of a person -and has rare talent, size and speed.
Maybe Barner? He showed some good signs last season and could be used more and better with the new OC.
Because of Coach K I could see Walker being biggest climber. Considering K9 skills with the ball, and so many calling him injury prone, Walker could get those lofty top 5 RB numbers in Coach K offense. But would love to see a Coby Bryant type growth by either Haynes/Lumeau or Knight. And of course Murphy moving to stellar status.
I. Hoping Christian Haynes or Riq.
Not "or".
* Charles Cross, if Schneider obtains an actual functioning LG
* Otherwise, Boye Mafe or Riq Woolen
So not directly on point, but very much in the related ballpark - everyone else seeing the updated Darnold contract details?
And... anyone else absolutely f*cking mindblown by said details?! We apparently vested his 2026 guaranteed monies last month, pushing potential 2026 dead cap up to like $40mil with savings of like $6mil if cut/traded. Placing Darnold in a position to make $66mil of his $100mil deal total, pretty much now guaranteed, over two years. I... huh.... wha.... the f*ck is this contract?
I've never heard of vesting guarantees an ENTIRE year early, before even a single OTA has taken place. Even injury guarantees tend to only kick in once the season itself starts. One the one hand, makes life easy to calculate for 2025 and 2026, and stabilises cash flows. One the other, JS has taken a gamble and a half.
On the third hand, really puts to bed the Geno discussion. If this was the kind of money JS was happy to use up, and in a heavily guaranteed structure (and if we believe the reports that Geno was offered a similar deal), makes clear that Geno just did not want to be in Seattle anymore. No comparision of which QB is/isn't better, one of them was desparate to run run away.
I do, however, think this would clearly impact Draft expectations. Despite my long standing love of Ewers, i think QB almost certainly comes off the board this year. With Howell on just $1.1mil we don't need a cheap back-up, and without anything close to a good exit from Darnold bringing in 'competition' from a development prospect is irrelevant.
With significant guarantees given to Darnold, getting him support will be high up the list of priorities. Makes me a bit more understanding of the Kupp signing, giving Sam as reliable a pair of hands as you possibly could do. WR at #18 i think goes way up the expectation, with basically all media and draft people thinking only one might go before then.
I'd say it also puts Day 2 OLine right up the list. Working on the basis there isn't a suitable option at #18, JS could well be looking at those three other Top100 spots to deal up from 50 to get a Guard. I'm thinking Day 2 could be all Offence, picking up OLine and skill position support (there's a couple of TE options for Day 2, and plenty of extra RB depth, and into Rd 3 you can gamble a bit more on WR as well). And just to contradict myself above talking about WR at #18, the odds of a Defensive 1st Rd pick are as high as they've been all off-season. The two main CB's, (against SSJ's thoughts), the two main Safties, Campbell, Walker. I'll even grudgingly say the Edge's could be in play on Day 1 in my mind now.
Hot damn, draft season is heating up. It's a welcome distraction from.... things... and.... stuff.... I wonder what the next twist will be before the 24th!
QBs don’t grow on trees, I guess. Hey, it’s not Dak Prescott’s deal—
2025-2027 cap hits: 50M, 74M, 68M
2025-2027 dead cap: 180M, 130M, 56M
Absolutely no on Green or any other player with known character issues. You might take a chance on one in the much later rounds, but why gamble in the 1st five rounds?
Campbell would be a steal at 18 but they should ( God forbid) trade up for him at 13 or above.
Move Fant and save 8.5 mill and draft a TE that doesn't avoid contact.
I can't see a 1st Rd trade this year. A couple of teams above will reach for needs, letting a Top12 talent slide to us at 18. Or similar to a couple of years ago we may well not see an WR go early, allowing us free pick at 18 to take the WR JSMM likes the most, akin to drafting JSN.
I can see movement coming on Day2. Packaging a move up from 50 and down from 52 that keeps us picking at least three times in Top100, and five in the 150. Thats the range to fill needs whilst keeping to the Rd 1 BPA which has served us well as of late.
I would really like to see this. It would allow a shot at a possible superstar playmaker while getting us a starter and 3 quality BPA backup/ possible starters if everything breaks well.
I really think they may go for a WR that falls to 18, maybe Egbuka, provided he is the BPA.
Now is definitely NOT the time to trade K9, heading into a season where he would have the best run game co-ordinator of his career willing to give him more carries than ever before. This is a good crop of RBs, particularly on day 2, but still not enough for me to move on from Walker.
And who's to say Charb doesn't get injured?
I might consider moving up for Jahdae Barron or Tyler Warren if it didn't break the bank. I hope the biggest improvement comes from Murphy, he could really help the pass rush and run defense. I echo the sentiment about Donovan Jackson, prob not going to take him at 18 but he might be gone before 50...so yeah.?.. So it was mentioned about making walker Rb2 and would like to see that actually. I think it might be the best way to split carries. Let charbs go pound and tire out the defense. Let walker come in and be the change of pace (used later in the game) and third down back. Walker is the better blocker and receiver (imo) and could be a good way to keep him healthy for the whole season. I would consider still splitting carries more evenly or still favoring Walker, but using charbs on early downs and moreso early in the game.
I could see the Seahawks moving up ahead of the colts at 14 if Warren is available at 13 (Miami). It would probably take one of their round 3 picks to do it. We could probably get pick 13 for 18, 92 and one of our 7th round picks. I’m not sure if it would be worth losing one of those third round picks. There’s a huge drop off after the top 10-12 players in this draft, but there are a lot of players with late 2nd and 3rd round grades. Having 4 picks on day two will give you a lot of value. Depending on who is left on the their board when they get to 18, I think they might test the waters on a trade back if anyone has interest in pick 18 and they have no one left with a round one grade. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has a high grade on QB Dart. If so, you might be able to get them to pay a premium for 18 with multiple day 2 picks. So we lose a day one pick where we have no 1st round players left to pick and we wind up with 6 picks on day 2 (rounds 2 and 3)
There are so many good prospects, and so few great prospects that it makes sense to wait and see what happens, reacting to reality in real time and moving up, down, or staying put. I'd only move up for that top edge prospect expected to go in the top three. And trading up that far is unrealistic, I'd stay put for Warren, Golden, and the top CB that doesn't play both ways. Trade down otherwise, and here is my priority one, almost. Get an extra 3rd rounder and take Cabeldue.
I don't think we should trade up from 18. The board will fall to us, we'll get a really good player, and whoever that is will clarify our choices on day two. I do wonder if we want to take 50 or 52 to move up closer to the top of the second round to get someone like Zabel, if he falls, or Donovan Jackson, or Egbuka, or some other target of opportunity. There's also a nice nest of interesting players after 52...but I'm now using the consensus board instead of any individual chart, and they're all flawed. Regardless, I'm going to try to trust the process and try not to second guess it too bitterly after!
Well as much as it pains me to hope for LB Jihaad Campbell over a much need OL. Should J. Campbell fall back because of perception by other teams of his injured shoulder and he is there at #14 or #15, should the Seahawks trade up for him?
If they see an elite LB for the taking might be too good to pass up depending on who else is available
I’m pretty sure that’s what they’ll see. The question is, what does that shoulder look like? If they’re 100% on the shoulder, I’d be ecstatic with that pick.
* The 1997 draft yielded *five* HOFers: Orlando Pace, Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Ronde Barber, and Jason Taylor
* I keep hearing that Ohio State guard Donovan Jackson is potentially ideal fit in Seattle. Daniel Jeremiah projects Jackson to go early in the 2nd round. As Joe points out, Schneider’s doesn’t often trade up. But when he does, it’s usually for a good player and he goes for it. Jackson may be one of these players
Thanks for the tip, I’ll take a closer look at Jackson!
Seen Jackson in mocks in first but not what JS would do. But if he’s there at or near 50…and they seem to like the Conference that can’t Count, players.
Tyrice Knight. May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
Good choice!
I would trade up for him or Jeanty being compared similar to Saquan.
He would be a pretty cool get!
I would trade up for Tyler Warren. Helps the OL, helps convert 3rd downs on a team that’s going to have a lot of 3rd down conversions (bc they want to pound the rock) and bc he gives Darnold options for quick release passes.
Would be a fun player to add to the offense for sure.
I could live with Warren depending on how much the trade costs
Yeah that’s the guessing game — where will he go. I’ve seen as high as the Jets (6) and Carolina or Chicago too — always bc of how much of a help he’ll be to a young QB. Something that high prob also gets you near a Will Campbell or a Membow or a Jalon Walker, would prob have to take one of the OL guys at that point.
But where I’m sure he won’t get past, is Indy at 14. The PFR draft value chart suggests 18 and 82 would nearly get there, so maybe that plus 173 but I think Indy REALLY likes him so it would prob cost us 18 and 52. Which if you thought was buying you Gronk or Gates or Kittle (he’s def not just a Y), might be worth it.
The irony being, none of those TE's were 1st Rd picks (Gronk 2nd, Gates UD, Kittle 5th). I'd prefer saving the picks and trying to get Arroyo in the 2nd or take a swing at Fannin Jr from Bowling State and his frankly wild skills in the 3rd/4th. Put Mason Taylor LSU in that Day 2 TE mix as well. I also think Gunnar Helm, Texas, could have a solid NFL career.
Basically, don't go moving for Warren (or Loveland). If they slip great, but TE can be addressed elsewhere - if JSMM even think it needs addressing.
Could get lucky like that and is in fact the way most tight ends are picked, it's way down the list in terms of positional value.
And although I love Loveland, he's not a Round 1 blocker even though he's a Round 1 receiver. But when you can get both...that's a rare talent.
So a Brock Bowers wasn't going to even make it to 18, and neither will Warren. Whereas Fannin or Taylor or Helm or Arroyo (and another guy I really like who can block his ass off, Evans out of Notre Dame) will prob be waiting in the 50's still. And some of them in the 80's.
I just think Warren is special, will be immediately productive and a difference-maker right out of the box. Highest floor in the draft outside Jeanty and Abdul Carter.
But I'd also be happy with the guys you mentioned, as well as Evans. Just not as happy :-)