The supposed advance metrics that show the Seahawks as close to being eliminated from the playoffs are such a joke. The simple fact is the Seahawks are one game back in a division with 4 middling teams. How in any universe are they almost eliminated. The stats have no idea if any of those teams will improve or not. Its a ridiculous take. I get it, losing sucks.
Gene’s the reason we’ve won 2 of the 4 games. Accurate passer, strong arm and a clutch time QB. Thats a bargain for only 30Mil -I think 20 teams in the NFL would Love to have him. He’s a top 12 pocket passer, just like Matt Stafford? How much $ stafford making this year? 55 Mil I’m assuming
Immediate thought. Seahawks will be lucky to win 1 or 2 more games —-The injuries are on going to get worst up front because our guys in the trenches get pushed around on 9/10 plays.
1.) Excluding Charles cross; When was the last time we drafted AND re-signed a LEGIT Pro Bowl player post 2014? Should have left Noah Fant walk in FA, signed Kevin zeitler and Lloyd cushenberry rather than go bargain hunting with expired coupons. Connor Williams and Laken Tomlinson were the last ones left for MANY reasons. MANY. MANY. I’ll give credit to the in season acquisitions this year though so far.
2.) how is JS not under fire, (this could be a great segment). I mean HE put the roster together. He decided to not grab ANY of the starting NFL CALIBER OLs. Signed Williams and Tomlinson too late and they got no practice/ cadence together as a team. (Past their prime players)
2.) I was SHOCKED when I heard the Hawks decided to keep JS when PC got the boot. He is the reason we have not had a decent o-line since what 2016-2018 seasons.
What is the avg record for first year HC’s. Give Mike McDonald’s some slack, he inherited the worst roster in football well, maybe besides the Titans and Panthers.
I am with you re: the OL and the detrimental effects of penny-pinching with that unit, but the overall roster comment is just not true. Bear in mind SEA had former Pro Bowlers under 30 at DT, 2xCB, S and WR, plus Geno, Tyler & JSN, both RBs, Fant, Cross and Abe on offense then Hall, Mafe, Nwosu and Murphy on D. There's a ton of talent.
Just off the top of my head, teams with less overall talent, particularly young/prime players:
Pats
Saints
Broncos
Raiders
Washington (yes, really)
Giants
Jags
Cards
Teams with roughly equivalent talent:
Browns
Jets
Rams
Bucs
Chargers
Steelers
Even if you think half the teams I listed belong in the tier above, we were still not anywhere near bottom 5 overall. The real issues we have are poor OL play offsetting the skill position talent and an all-new defensive scheme which makes the D unreliable. We have lots of talent, it's just not properly distributed or in a position to consistently succeed. Totally different problem.
Maybe this comment here goes in the delusional bucket, but here's where I am:
1. Geno is getting hammered physically and by many fans because of his OL more than anything. He's still one of the most accurate QB's in the league and if he's given a bit of time he's very good. Makes some bone-headed throws but by that metric Stafford (who got sacked 0 times vs Geno's 8) was no better, could have easily been picked 3 times yestdy, and none of them like the unlucky JSN-clank-off-his-chest-to-DB, and an obvious hold on his TE on a timing pass.
2. This team is learning two completely new systems -- offense and defense. Hurts to be patient and to see guys out of position, but it's got to be considered part of the learning curve and we've got McVay and Shanahan to deal with 4x/yr. Ain't gonna be automatic right out of the box.
3. To Schneider's credit, Ernest Jones has been a major upgrade and it was done mid-year.
Schneider did react when they realized their LB's were too lightweight. I don't understand why he hasn't reacted similarly to his guard play other than it's philosophical I guess. Borders on insanity.
4. While clearly Woolen and Spoon are still developing, Seattle has a strong secondary overall and also has alot of depth. Without crippling Diggs/Adams-type contracts (to me a Carroll vestige)
5. KWIII is one of the best backs in the league, top 10 at worst
6. Our WR room is also top 10 at worst and that was before Mr. Cody White was given a chance OMG
7. Leonard Williams is a beast, Reed is very very good and so is Murphy. And we have solid depth at DL.
8. Boye and Hall are also coming into their own -- without Nwosu we're light on depth but really only are looking for one more edge.
9. And we have a strong kicking game
So if I were Schneider for a day and Jody called me to her office, what would I tell her:
- Let's be patient please. Our new coaching staff is showing some real promise and I think we now have a legitimate shot despite having McVay and Shanahan in our division
- I'm going to need to make some potentially risky moves, and they may not all be popular. Gonna extend Geno and keep Howell as his back-up, so there's still going to be alot of noise about us not drafting or signing a name QB. Trust me it's a much safer bet than all these other guys betting the farm on what's not even a 50/50 bet, more like 5/95.
- And am going to have to let DK and Tyler go, gonna get what I can for them but it's one of the few positions where there's always talent in the draft. And I need their cap to strengthen a couple areas:
- Going to invest heavy in both guard positions, big change for me. But I know Connor Williams isn't this bad, he's too worried about the onslaught from all sides and isn't getting any help in the running game either
- Going to find another linebacker, I like our depth but we need another impact player behind our DL
- Going to find another edge, worried Nwosu just isn't ever going to be a 15-17 game asset
- Which means he and Dre'Mont were expensive mistakes, I'm really sorry. We and the cap guys will figure out how to move on
- And when their days come up, Cross, Walker III and Riq are all going to get extended. Gonna keep Connor Williams and Baker as well. And Julian Love is going to be our Harrison Smith, hopefully playing into his late 30's.
He is a good player. But wow does he lack situational awareness and has been poor in short yardage situations. This has been the case since we drafted him.
Here is the third and 1 in OT. Your main job is to get 1 yard. Your secondary job is to get as many yards as possible. How in the world does he not get 1 yard here? He cut straight into Verse!
Also, Grubb taking the ball out of Geno's hands in OT is really something.
6 rushing attempts and 1 pass for 31 yards. Geno is your best player, keep the ball in his hands. That would be like going to OT and having Kobe Bryant shoot the ball 1 time and 6 other times going to other players. Why?
I spent a couple minutes googling NFL 2025 draft big boards. If we are agreed that team needs begin with IOL players, I counted five in the top 60. That number leaves out however many OTs project to IOL play in the NFL. None of those players are presently ranked as first-round choices. I do recognize we have other needs, but OL seems pretty high up. From that quick glance colleges do not seem to be sending a lot of IOL help to the big leagues this season, and I know there are complaints and concerns about how unprepared for NFL action college linemen presently are. Point being, the draft is not a panacea for improving that area, best I can tell. If that's right, it will drive up the price of free agent options. Second point, the same one I made about last year's draft...we need to be accumulating day two picks, by any means necessary.
One of my favourite things about draft coverage right now is watching people move Will Campbell (LT, LSU) down the board for no real reason. I'm a weirdo but I honestly watched the LSU team last year with Jayden Daniels, Nabers and Brian Thomas and was more interested in #66 kicking the everloving shit out of multiple defenders every rep. If he slips into the low teens we gotta grab him.
If the object in the future is competing for a SB, it won’t happen with this core on the offensive line, but if we overpay there, then we are stuck with a mid QB option like Geno who has not shown the ability to elevate much more when it’s crunch time. Wasting JSN and K9 is tragic. We all know what they can do with the right chance. All depends on blocking and we don’t do that to well.
K9: Know the situation. Your job is to get 1 yard. You should know that to your right you have JSN trying to get in the way of Verse. In other words, you have no time. You have to hit the hole immediately. What does he do? He cuts directly into Verse.
A better short yardage back should pick up a first down here every time.
This happened in the Niner game also in a different type of situation but still a lack of awareness that you need the first.
Is it time to start talking K9? Why does Geno get all the smoke? What about the other players?
Geno’s a veteran and not showing any improvement and is unlikely to. K9 is brand new and not perfect but he is showing improvement and is positively only going to get better.
If you want to be serious and talk about players in the same way, there it is.
All due respect, Geno's actually been one of the best in the league in crunch time, and that drive to get us into overtime was yet another. There are at least 20 other teams that would kill for someone who could deliver that.
And the last two plays in overtime before we gave the ball to the Rams were a 3rd and 1 dive into the line and a 4th and 1 dive into the line. Guess he could have audibled but with our "heavy" unit lined up in the backfield next to him, I'm not sure what else he was supposed to do?
All due respect, Geno has 11 TDs and 10 INTs. He has made a number of costly mistakes this season. He is also going to want a new contract and his current performance is not worth the price tag.
I’m saying it doesn’t matter and even if he had 8 INTs, it’s not good enough. Geno may be accurate but he’s also careless with the ball. He will want an extension and we don’t want Derek Carr 2.0. This team has a lot of holes to fill. Geno is in the twilight of his career. I would rather we use the rest of the season to evaluate talent and figure out what we have.
If there are 20 other teams that want Geno, by all means let them have him...he is a fraud of a QB. Panics in the face of pressure and cracks, seen this story time and time again.
Geno knows he is a slight injury away from losing his position. I hear MM could have justified playing Howell late yesterday, but I simply went back to work after the first interception and missed the rest of the game. I saw a man playing QB, utterly overwhelmed with avoiding injury. The panic was spreading and watching it happen was painful. Our Guys need a Spark to coalesce around. For good or ill, we need to know if that option is available. Geno needs to purge that 'Don't-get-hurt' mantra from his thoughts, but I suspect he holds no command over it. Right or wrong, it's what I saw.
1st interception wasn't his fault, 3rd interception wasn't his fault. Which is one of the reasons why it never occurred to MacDonald to pull him, nor will it occur to him to pull him next game either.
The Seahawks need to get a lot better and one way is to draft better players. A 5 win season would net a better draft haul. Jody Allen should strongly inform John Schneider that he better get some serious talent on the interior offensive line and some better athletes on the defensive line. Otherwise he can find another job.
I would never tank. In fact, if there is one way to lose me as a fan it is to give up. Someone made a great comment on the game thread that this game against the Rams showed a ton of fight. That is what I want. My expecations are to be entertained and it is entertaining to watch a team overcome mistakes and claw and fight. That is what sports and football are about to me.
I get in the NBA if you have a chance to draft a LeBron James that could be a good argument to tank. I don't see it in the NFL.
Teams that are bad typically stay bad. Even when a "generational talent" like T Lawrence comes into the draft. Everyone was criticzing the Jets for winning in week 17. Did T Law change that much? Would he have changed that much? The Texans won in the final week two years ago to not have the first overall pick. What happened? They ended up getting CJ Stroud instead of Bryce Young. Even last year with the Seahawks ... Who would the Seahawks have taken at 10 instead of 16? My guess ... Byron Murphy.
Football teams need identity and need cohesiveness and need juice. Of course their are odds to this thing and sometimes tnaking can work. But I think it is better to build culture and win.
I have seen a team go 7-9 and win at home as a 10-point underdog to a hall of fame QB and Coach which caused an earthquake. I was at both the rams game to get there and the playoff game. I would never trade either of those exeperiences for a higher draft pick. Those are culture setting moments.
I was there last year when a backup Drew Lock beat an Eagles team and watched QB1 celebrate his teammate on the sideline. That didn't even lead to a playoff game ... And yet I will remember that game for the rest of my life. I will remember Geno celebrating and Lock's press conference. Super Bowls are great but we have had 1 in our history. It is the little things.
It is coming together as a team and fighting to get to the playoff even in the face of long odds. It is believing in the guy next to you even tho you have almost no chance of winning in the NFC Championship game.
I don't watch and follow sports to watch top level people mentally and physically give up. That would be the best way to lose a fan for me.
Stay the course, the defense played great, Geno bounced back, JSN bounced back and broke out, there are a lot of positives from the game that can be building blocks for the future.
Someone once said. "Don't give up ... Don't ever give up"
Keep fighting Hawks! Beat the Niners, season is not over.
(Packers last year were 3-6 at this point if you want an example)
I’m with you 100% - don’t ever not compete… but if you’re also not likely to make a legitimate trophy run, might as well see what you have on your team - which includes the coaches. Give people opportunities who might not otherwise get them to succeed, and if they can’t, move on as quickly as possible. It may look like a new QB for a few games or some new coaches in the offseason - I’m okay with either IF the staff keeps the team’s professional focus and continues building a core of “buy-in” guys. Hopefully Coach MacD can manage this end-of-season test - Go Hawks!!
I want them to try and win, but you look at that schedule and there's no team on there that seems like a win the way they are playing. The most winnable games are:
@ Jets - A team that's normally more dysfunctional than the Seahawks currently are, but put together a decent game on Thursday
@ Bears - Another normally dysfunctional team that has a rookie QB, but is going to be on a short week and we saw how unprepared the Seahawks were the last short week they had
vs. Arizona - Yet another normally dysfunctional team that is currently in 1st place in the division
You could make an argument that every team they play is better than they are, and some significantly better. Could the bye week give them a chance to reset and improve? Sure, but the coaching staff hasn't earned that goodwill yet and I just don't have faith they are going to. And I had a lot of faith in Macdonald/Grubb coming into the year. Something has to change and soon.
They are tanking already without trying to tank! We just don't have enough ( any ) pro bowl players to compete with the top level teams. Plus brand new systems can't be installed overnight, especially if you haven't got the right players to fit the system. I still remember the massive player turn over during Pete's early years. Use this year to figure out who the keepers are and who to let go, starting with Geno. The difference between Geno and Stafford yesterday said volumes.
This is interesting. I saw no difference between Geno and Stafford.
Geno's fatal pick 6 was pretty darn similar to Stafford's throw that would've been picked by Woolen but was OPI. Stafford also threw it directly to a LB but he dropped it.
There is also the good side of Geno. Stafford and McVay would never have even tried for points at the end of the first half with a 1st and 20 from their own 30. But Geno did, and was rewarded with a TD. Geno also overcame a sack at the start of OT to throw to a practice squad player for a first on 2nd and 24. He also hit JSN for a big gain on 4th and 5. He also had 70 or yards called back on penalties. One of which on Connor Williams was a very bad call IMO.
I don't know ... I actually came away from the game with the exact opposite opinion. And I think Stafford is the best QB in the NFC. But Geno was right there with him, by my eye.
Geno's other two interceptions were because of JSN and Barner getting held.
The supposed advance metrics that show the Seahawks as close to being eliminated from the playoffs are such a joke. The simple fact is the Seahawks are one game back in a division with 4 middling teams. How in any universe are they almost eliminated. The stats have no idea if any of those teams will improve or not. Its a ridiculous take. I get it, losing sucks.
PREDICT 8 CONSECUTIVE TIES YOU F***ING COWARD
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Gene’s the reason we’ve won 2 of the 4 games. Accurate passer, strong arm and a clutch time QB. Thats a bargain for only 30Mil -I think 20 teams in the NFL would Love to have him. He’s a top 12 pocket passer, just like Matt Stafford? How much $ stafford making this year? 55 Mil I’m assuming
Immediate thought. Seahawks will be lucky to win 1 or 2 more games —-The injuries are on going to get worst up front because our guys in the trenches get pushed around on 9/10 plays.
1.) Excluding Charles cross; When was the last time we drafted AND re-signed a LEGIT Pro Bowl player post 2014? Should have left Noah Fant walk in FA, signed Kevin zeitler and Lloyd cushenberry rather than go bargain hunting with expired coupons. Connor Williams and Laken Tomlinson were the last ones left for MANY reasons. MANY. MANY. I’ll give credit to the in season acquisitions this year though so far.
2.) how is JS not under fire, (this could be a great segment). I mean HE put the roster together. He decided to not grab ANY of the starting NFL CALIBER OLs. Signed Williams and Tomlinson too late and they got no practice/ cadence together as a team. (Past their prime players)
2.) I was SHOCKED when I heard the Hawks decided to keep JS when PC got the boot. He is the reason we have not had a decent o-line since what 2016-2018 seasons.
What is the avg record for first year HC’s. Give Mike McDonald’s some slack, he inherited the worst roster in football well, maybe besides the Titans and Panthers.
I am with you re: the OL and the detrimental effects of penny-pinching with that unit, but the overall roster comment is just not true. Bear in mind SEA had former Pro Bowlers under 30 at DT, 2xCB, S and WR, plus Geno, Tyler & JSN, both RBs, Fant, Cross and Abe on offense then Hall, Mafe, Nwosu and Murphy on D. There's a ton of talent.
Just off the top of my head, teams with less overall talent, particularly young/prime players:
Pats
Saints
Broncos
Raiders
Washington (yes, really)
Giants
Jags
Cards
Teams with roughly equivalent talent:
Browns
Jets
Rams
Bucs
Chargers
Steelers
Even if you think half the teams I listed belong in the tier above, we were still not anywhere near bottom 5 overall. The real issues we have are poor OL play offsetting the skill position talent and an all-new defensive scheme which makes the D unreliable. We have lots of talent, it's just not properly distributed or in a position to consistently succeed. Totally different problem.
It would be better if they went 12-5. Go Seahawks!
Maybe this comment here goes in the delusional bucket, but here's where I am:
1. Geno is getting hammered physically and by many fans because of his OL more than anything. He's still one of the most accurate QB's in the league and if he's given a bit of time he's very good. Makes some bone-headed throws but by that metric Stafford (who got sacked 0 times vs Geno's 8) was no better, could have easily been picked 3 times yestdy, and none of them like the unlucky JSN-clank-off-his-chest-to-DB, and an obvious hold on his TE on a timing pass.
2. This team is learning two completely new systems -- offense and defense. Hurts to be patient and to see guys out of position, but it's got to be considered part of the learning curve and we've got McVay and Shanahan to deal with 4x/yr. Ain't gonna be automatic right out of the box.
3. To Schneider's credit, Ernest Jones has been a major upgrade and it was done mid-year.
Schneider did react when they realized their LB's were too lightweight. I don't understand why he hasn't reacted similarly to his guard play other than it's philosophical I guess. Borders on insanity.
4. While clearly Woolen and Spoon are still developing, Seattle has a strong secondary overall and also has alot of depth. Without crippling Diggs/Adams-type contracts (to me a Carroll vestige)
5. KWIII is one of the best backs in the league, top 10 at worst
6. Our WR room is also top 10 at worst and that was before Mr. Cody White was given a chance OMG
7. Leonard Williams is a beast, Reed is very very good and so is Murphy. And we have solid depth at DL.
8. Boye and Hall are also coming into their own -- without Nwosu we're light on depth but really only are looking for one more edge.
9. And we have a strong kicking game
So if I were Schneider for a day and Jody called me to her office, what would I tell her:
- Let's be patient please. Our new coaching staff is showing some real promise and I think we now have a legitimate shot despite having McVay and Shanahan in our division
- I'm going to need to make some potentially risky moves, and they may not all be popular. Gonna extend Geno and keep Howell as his back-up, so there's still going to be alot of noise about us not drafting or signing a name QB. Trust me it's a much safer bet than all these other guys betting the farm on what's not even a 50/50 bet, more like 5/95.
- And am going to have to let DK and Tyler go, gonna get what I can for them but it's one of the few positions where there's always talent in the draft. And I need their cap to strengthen a couple areas:
- Going to invest heavy in both guard positions, big change for me. But I know Connor Williams isn't this bad, he's too worried about the onslaught from all sides and isn't getting any help in the running game either
- Going to find another linebacker, I like our depth but we need another impact player behind our DL
- Going to find another edge, worried Nwosu just isn't ever going to be a 15-17 game asset
- Which means he and Dre'Mont were expensive mistakes, I'm really sorry. We and the cap guys will figure out how to move on
- And when their days come up, Cross, Walker III and Riq are all going to get extended. Gonna keep Connor Williams and Baker as well. And Julian Love is going to be our Harrison Smith, hopefully playing into his late 30's.
I think you just aced the interview.
Does K9 deserve any criticism?
He is a good player. But wow does he lack situational awareness and has been poor in short yardage situations. This has been the case since we drafted him.
Here is the third and 1 in OT. Your main job is to get 1 yard. Your secondary job is to get as many yards as possible. How in the world does he not get 1 yard here? He cut straight into Verse!
https://x.com/MikeDugar/status/1853500513071047033
And here is the screen shot from the Niner game. How in the world do you not get a first down?
https://x.com/coal_rusty/status/1844649194415595878
Also, Grubb taking the ball out of Geno's hands in OT is really something.
6 rushing attempts and 1 pass for 31 yards. Geno is your best player, keep the ball in his hands. That would be like going to OT and having Kobe Bryant shoot the ball 1 time and 6 other times going to other players. Why?
Just like that ... You don't need to listen to me.
Here is Big Ray Roberts who knows more than I will ever:
https://x.com/BigRayRoberts/status/1853505024170799544
I consider this my day to bitch. Dammit.
Haha ... Yep ... This is a good outlet to do it!
What a frustrating game.
I spent a couple minutes googling NFL 2025 draft big boards. If we are agreed that team needs begin with IOL players, I counted five in the top 60. That number leaves out however many OTs project to IOL play in the NFL. None of those players are presently ranked as first-round choices. I do recognize we have other needs, but OL seems pretty high up. From that quick glance colleges do not seem to be sending a lot of IOL help to the big leagues this season, and I know there are complaints and concerns about how unprepared for NFL action college linemen presently are. Point being, the draft is not a panacea for improving that area, best I can tell. If that's right, it will drive up the price of free agent options. Second point, the same one I made about last year's draft...we need to be accumulating day two picks, by any means necessary.
One of my favourite things about draft coverage right now is watching people move Will Campbell (LT, LSU) down the board for no real reason. I'm a weirdo but I honestly watched the LSU team last year with Jayden Daniels, Nabers and Brian Thomas and was more interested in #66 kicking the everloving shit out of multiple defenders every rep. If he slips into the low teens we gotta grab him.
If the object in the future is competing for a SB, it won’t happen with this core on the offensive line, but if we overpay there, then we are stuck with a mid QB option like Geno who has not shown the ability to elevate much more when it’s crunch time. Wasting JSN and K9 is tragic. We all know what they can do with the right chance. All depends on blocking and we don’t do that to well.
K9?
At what point do we start talking about K9 the same way Geno gets such conversation.
K9 is a great back and a home run threat. But has been horrible in short yardage situations since he has been here. He cuts and dances far too much.
Here is the third and 1 in OT:
https://x.com/MikeDugar/status/1853500513071047033
K9: Know the situation. Your job is to get 1 yard. You should know that to your right you have JSN trying to get in the way of Verse. In other words, you have no time. You have to hit the hole immediately. What does he do? He cuts directly into Verse.
A better short yardage back should pick up a first down here every time.
This happened in the Niner game also in a different type of situation but still a lack of awareness that you need the first.
Is it time to start talking K9? Why does Geno get all the smoke? What about the other players?
Geno’s a veteran and not showing any improvement and is unlikely to. K9 is brand new and not perfect but he is showing improvement and is positively only going to get better.
If you want to be serious and talk about players in the same way, there it is.
Not throw 3 picks
All due respect, Geno's actually been one of the best in the league in crunch time, and that drive to get us into overtime was yet another. There are at least 20 other teams that would kill for someone who could deliver that.
And the last two plays in overtime before we gave the ball to the Rams were a 3rd and 1 dive into the line and a 4th and 1 dive into the line. Guess he could have audibled but with our "heavy" unit lined up in the backfield next to him, I'm not sure what else he was supposed to do?
All due respect, Geno has 11 TDs and 10 INTs. He has made a number of costly mistakes this season. He is also going to want a new contract and his current performance is not worth the price tag.
Do you agree at least 2 of them (the JSN drop and the Barner hold) weren’t on him? Meaning they would have happened if Mahomes were back there
And, what’s your alternative to Geno?
To quote the 2000 yr old knight guarding the chalice when Indiana Jones entered the chamber:
“Choose wisely”
I’m saying it doesn’t matter and even if he had 8 INTs, it’s not good enough. Geno may be accurate but he’s also careless with the ball. He will want an extension and we don’t want Derek Carr 2.0. This team has a lot of holes to fill. Geno is in the twilight of his career. I would rather we use the rest of the season to evaluate talent and figure out what we have.
If there are 20 other teams that want Geno, by all means let them have him...he is a fraud of a QB. Panics in the face of pressure and cracks, seen this story time and time again.
Great comments today.
6 run plays called in OT
1 pass play that netted 31 yards
Geno knows he is a slight injury away from losing his position. I hear MM could have justified playing Howell late yesterday, but I simply went back to work after the first interception and missed the rest of the game. I saw a man playing QB, utterly overwhelmed with avoiding injury. The panic was spreading and watching it happen was painful. Our Guys need a Spark to coalesce around. For good or ill, we need to know if that option is available. Geno needs to purge that 'Don't-get-hurt' mantra from his thoughts, but I suspect he holds no command over it. Right or wrong, it's what I saw.
1st interception wasn't his fault, 3rd interception wasn't his fault. Which is one of the reasons why it never occurred to MacDonald to pull him, nor will it occur to him to pull him next game either.
Thanks, Zez. I need to back off the ledge. Arghhh.
The Seahawks need to get a lot better and one way is to draft better players. A 5 win season would net a better draft haul. Jody Allen should strongly inform John Schneider that he better get some serious talent on the interior offensive line and some better athletes on the defensive line. Otherwise he can find another job.
I would never tank. In fact, if there is one way to lose me as a fan it is to give up. Someone made a great comment on the game thread that this game against the Rams showed a ton of fight. That is what I want. My expecations are to be entertained and it is entertaining to watch a team overcome mistakes and claw and fight. That is what sports and football are about to me.
I get in the NBA if you have a chance to draft a LeBron James that could be a good argument to tank. I don't see it in the NFL.
Teams that are bad typically stay bad. Even when a "generational talent" like T Lawrence comes into the draft. Everyone was criticzing the Jets for winning in week 17. Did T Law change that much? Would he have changed that much? The Texans won in the final week two years ago to not have the first overall pick. What happened? They ended up getting CJ Stroud instead of Bryce Young. Even last year with the Seahawks ... Who would the Seahawks have taken at 10 instead of 16? My guess ... Byron Murphy.
Football teams need identity and need cohesiveness and need juice. Of course their are odds to this thing and sometimes tnaking can work. But I think it is better to build culture and win.
I have seen a team go 7-9 and win at home as a 10-point underdog to a hall of fame QB and Coach which caused an earthquake. I was at both the rams game to get there and the playoff game. I would never trade either of those exeperiences for a higher draft pick. Those are culture setting moments.
I was there last year when a backup Drew Lock beat an Eagles team and watched QB1 celebrate his teammate on the sideline. That didn't even lead to a playoff game ... And yet I will remember that game for the rest of my life. I will remember Geno celebrating and Lock's press conference. Super Bowls are great but we have had 1 in our history. It is the little things.
It is coming together as a team and fighting to get to the playoff even in the face of long odds. It is believing in the guy next to you even tho you have almost no chance of winning in the NFC Championship game.
I don't watch and follow sports to watch top level people mentally and physically give up. That would be the best way to lose a fan for me.
Stay the course, the defense played great, Geno bounced back, JSN bounced back and broke out, there are a lot of positives from the game that can be building blocks for the future.
Someone once said. "Don't give up ... Don't ever give up"
Keep fighting Hawks! Beat the Niners, season is not over.
(Packers last year were 3-6 at this point if you want an example)
I’m with you 100% - don’t ever not compete… but if you’re also not likely to make a legitimate trophy run, might as well see what you have on your team - which includes the coaches. Give people opportunities who might not otherwise get them to succeed, and if they can’t, move on as quickly as possible. It may look like a new QB for a few games or some new coaches in the offseason - I’m okay with either IF the staff keeps the team’s professional focus and continues building a core of “buy-in” guys. Hopefully Coach MacD can manage this end-of-season test - Go Hawks!!
I want them to try and win, but you look at that schedule and there's no team on there that seems like a win the way they are playing. The most winnable games are:
@ Jets - A team that's normally more dysfunctional than the Seahawks currently are, but put together a decent game on Thursday
@ Bears - Another normally dysfunctional team that has a rookie QB, but is going to be on a short week and we saw how unprepared the Seahawks were the last short week they had
vs. Arizona - Yet another normally dysfunctional team that is currently in 1st place in the division
You could make an argument that every team they play is better than they are, and some significantly better. Could the bye week give them a chance to reset and improve? Sure, but the coaching staff hasn't earned that goodwill yet and I just don't have faith they are going to. And I had a lot of faith in Macdonald/Grubb coming into the year. Something has to change and soon.
They are tanking already without trying to tank! We just don't have enough ( any ) pro bowl players to compete with the top level teams. Plus brand new systems can't be installed overnight, especially if you haven't got the right players to fit the system. I still remember the massive player turn over during Pete's early years. Use this year to figure out who the keepers are and who to let go, starting with Geno. The difference between Geno and Stafford yesterday said volumes.
This is interesting. I saw no difference between Geno and Stafford.
Geno's fatal pick 6 was pretty darn similar to Stafford's throw that would've been picked by Woolen but was OPI. Stafford also threw it directly to a LB but he dropped it.
There is also the good side of Geno. Stafford and McVay would never have even tried for points at the end of the first half with a 1st and 20 from their own 30. But Geno did, and was rewarded with a TD. Geno also overcame a sack at the start of OT to throw to a practice squad player for a first on 2nd and 24. He also hit JSN for a big gain on 4th and 5. He also had 70 or yards called back on penalties. One of which on Connor Williams was a very bad call IMO.
I don't know ... I actually came away from the game with the exact opposite opinion. And I think Stafford is the best QB in the NFC. But Geno was right there with him, by my eye.
Geno's other two interceptions were because of JSN and Barner getting held.
What were the major differences to you?
Move on at QB… Start Howell the rest of the way so we know about QB moving forward
At this point… It doesn’t matter… I like MM, but as far as I’m concerned we need a new Team President and GM…