It seems like JSN may be taking targets away from the tight ends, especially if he leads the team next year. If so, then why would we pay Fant to keep him to block when he is more of a receiver? Why wouldn't we go after other blocking TEs for less money? Same with CPark. Unless they are both better blockers than I credit them for, or they aren't dying to catch balls somewhere else.
No unit ( other than the QB ) is more important on offense than the O-line! Plus they need time to gel and play together- Now I'm not saying Geno is the end all/be all, But if we had a healthy O-line that had been playing together you can bet your Bottom dollar the offense would be much, much better! So (IMHO) with the addition of Williams on D< if the O-line can get back to some kind of reasonable health -The offense and the team will get better for sure! On another note - Even though I do like Williams to make comparisons with a Young stud like Carter is ????? at best- Jordyn is playing better every week! and considering what he had done and how fast he came back it is amazing! Unless he wants to break the bank I feel we need to bring him back!
I just read first rd draft prediction on BR and it was literally funny. They had us taking IOL, specifically the first center. My first thought was, have they seen our one year rental Brown??? Clearly not. They did bring up Olu, but Brown appears to be playing himself into a new contract. Have Hawks ever picked OC in early round under PC? We all wanted it a couple years back but no. Third, JS as he did here, OT with potential of Abe moving inside. Come on BR do better
To add to you Leonard William prediction, I think he will be equal to if not superior to Jalen Carter, for the next 2 or 3 years. So in effect we got Spoon and a Carter type player for the next 10 weeks!
I also think that given his age we may be able to resign him to a contract that is not far from Carters. At five Carter would have cost 34.5 million for 4 years. Williams cost less than a million this year. Lets say we resign for 33 million next year with 20 million guaranteed (reasonable for three years) Williams cost is the same. So if the Seahawks can resign then they get what amounts to Carter and Witherspoon for the first that came from Denver, and a 2024 second and a fifth. Still got to happen but the Seahawks have a huge advantage by having the guy on their roster.
These all seem plausible enough. I do think there is a non-zero chance DK is traded in the offseason to a team with the cap space, and a need at WR. I like DK, but I'm getting the impression he is what he is, and isn't all that interested in being more than he currently is. It's too bad really, given his physical skills.
Dissly I think will be back, but on a much, much more reasonable contract. Uncle Will won't want to go anywhere else, so he'll resign here for whatever we offer. The market for Fant? Who knows. I'm sure we'd want to sign him if the price is reasonable, which it could very well be.
We're going to have to deal with Jamal's and Tyler's contracts in some way, shape, or form. I love the people they are, but not at that cap hit.
Our round 1 pick next year? A tackle/guard is a perfectly reasonable guess, but my guess would be a trade back, or multiple trade backs, and it turns into a round 2 pick. If a QB1 prospect falls to them that JS has rated highly is the only way that they stay and make the pick. John will want to add back to his draft capital if he can after trading the round 2 pick.
JSN to WR1 - yes! Agree it's quite likely because he's a really good WR! DK & NoE will both be here in '24. In the modern NFL you need minimum two WR threats, realistically three, and they fill out those roles (at a high cost yes, but there is no good way out of that for '24. For '25 that changes and we should be xploring more WR options)
Fant over Dissly - Makes sense! We have a way on from Dissly as you point out and I would hope JS is bold enough to use that opportunity.
Extend Williams - Yep! This to me feels obvious... however it depends what his demands are. A contract similar to that of Reed, yes. Similar to Jones, hmm ok. Anything close to what the Giants gave him, no no no.
Wagner running it back - probably. Wagz is just gonna keep going and going and going it feels. My only concern is that even this season we are still thin at LB and is there going to be a better FA than Brooks we can afford? I'm not so sure, and would try and work out a deal with Jordyn to at least carry the two as bridges to younger drafter options for '25.
Mafe Top100 - 2023! Mafe keeps up his play he could very well get Top100 this year, genuinely. Especially if he turns up @49ers and @Boys when the National Media will be paying attention.
Tackle in the 1st - I hope not! Well, caveat, it depends which Tackle we take. Someone like Fantanu who is a quality College T but could well transition to G at the NFL level i'm ok with. But my desire for the 1st is IDL where there are likely to be options late in the 1st for us, at the #1/2 IDL picked appeals more than the #8 Tackle (i'm also trying to find either a S or MLB to take in the 1st but not looking good).
McCall - Please! Just for the payoff of the years of inside jokes.
I'll throw in my own '24 predictions - 'Hawks acquire Fields/Wilson/Mills/Jones for virtually nothing to join the QB battle with Lock & Drafted option. Bellore is canned (this counts as bold because Pete is in love with the man). We draft a WR or RB at the top of Rd 3.
I think a DK trade is a very real possibility. He is not really a true number 1 receiver. He just doesn’t get open enough. Because he is not a true number 1. I don’t think he is likely to fetch a top 15 pick, unless we threw in a 22-28 pick. (I am being optimistic). He is a good number 2. Pete released Tate and I think he will be willing to trade DK rather than pay him number 1 money. The same is true for Lockett who is an at 30 plus is a very good possession receiver but not a number. His not going to be traded as the base salary/ roster bonus is too high. If we cut him the Chiefs/Bills/ Ravens or the like will swoop in and sign him for 6 to 8 million on a one year deal, as I think he will want to play for winner and would fit in any of those offenses. I hope he would consider the Seahawks but I fear we are seeing his last year. Uncle Will is gone. Kenneth has a right tackle in the first round and that makes senses for expected draft position. If they trade down into the early second round Inside linebacker makes sense. But I watched the Washington/ Oregon game and I kind of like Bo Nix. I think he might go in the late teens early 20s and I may be he ends up on the Seahawks.
KC is kind of perfect. Watching Tyler find space when Geno broke the pocket on Sunday, I marveled at how good Tyler still is on off-schedule plays. Teaming up with the best off-schedule QB in the league just makes too much sense. That and Tyler has not won a Superbowl, and as long as KC has Mahomes they have a good shot every year. He can always retire as a Seahawk on a one-day contract.
Unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen unless Tyler decides to retire at the end of the season. Like Bobby in 2021 the numbers say Lockett gets cut even if everyone believes he can still play at a high level. Right now his production value is that of 12 million dollar receiver (OTC) and his cap hit is about 10 million. That is good, but next year the cap hit is just under 27 million with a saving of 7 million if released. If a team wants to win it does not carry that kind of cap liability.
I have mentioned Nix before. He’s having a good season and there hasn’t seemed to be too much talk about him.
I’m on the fence with DK. I don’t like his attitude at times, but I like his potential (though I’ve liked that now for a couple of years - though sometimes it takes a couple of years for guys that size to find their groove - see, yet again, on the fence). I would be interested to see how many times he has been open and Geno has either missed, hasn’t seen or disregarded him. It seems like it happens most weeks and if true, your comment about not getting open enough isn’t quite fair. It could be on the QB.
Agree, but there are times when it doesn't seem like he is going 100%- Some maturity would also be nice , but not to the point where it takes the fire-
In the film I have watched DK is rarely open. Advance Stats back up what I am see as he has a very low separation rate. My biggest gripe on the offense i is that Waldron keeps calling plays for DK as the number 1 and Geno keeps trying to force it to DK. That’s not saying that. DK is never open- he is just not open enough to justify the percentage of the cap he costs going forward. It is not a question of work either. He just doesn’t have the footwork to shake a defensive back. Like Bobo is not going to be a lot faster no matter how hard he works, DK is not going to fake DBs no matter how hard he works. That being said DK is a top tier number 2 receiver who stretches the field. Because of the bonus money the Seahawks have already paid an acquiring team picking up DK’s remaining contract gets a high quality no 2 receiver at a reasonable price. That is not worth a top 20 pick but it might be worth a top 40 pick.
We've got a lot of play calls where DK is the first read and a QB that likes to lock onto his first read. If Dk isn't getting open and Geno is forcing the ball anyway, we get stat lines like the Cleveland game. I don't think DK has always been utilized well in our game planning, and hopefully the development of JSN will give them more options and help DK play better to his strengths. Our WRs are all so different and mixing them into the game plan seems like it's still a work in progress. I'd hate to see DK go, but I agree that he's not grown into the player we're paying for.
I agree that DK is being misused by being used as classic number 1 receiver. He is a top tier number 2 receiver. The problem is that it is hard to run an offense without a clear Number 1, who is counted on to regularly beat his man/coverage. It becomes particularly hard to do when offenses get to the red zone. Right now the Seahawks don't have a number 1 receiver. What I hope happens is that going forward we will start to alternate JSN, Lockett, and even Bobo into the number route 1 and as result the attempts to DK drop.
At this point, as is clear from my comments yesterday, I'm pretty deflated about the Seahawks and our chances to rebuild in a meaningful way anytime soon. I'd of course love to be wrong and we'll see.
I think Pete and John think too highly of our chances in 2023, or at least I imagine they do. Otherwise, it's hard to fathom why they'd trade a second and a fifth for a 30 year old Williams. It was good to see last off season that they weren't going to sign Geno without a team friendly contract that didn't obligate the organization to a long-term commitment, but as the season goes on even that contract is seeming less and less like a no-brainer. I wonder if another team would have offered something similar. Nothing about his play this year (or the second half of last year) says anything other than solid backup.
We have another guy sitting on the bench with a set of skills that could result in him being able to lead the team a lot further, but it's hard to imagine him getting the chance, at least this season. Honestly, if Wilson hadn't demanded a trade, I don't think Pete would have let him go. Thus, much of our recent success is the result of luck as much as smart moves.
I really like Carroll as a person. I love his positivity and care for his guys. I don't see a whole lot of creativity in redesigning the offense or the defense, and we not infrequently see coaching decisions that make any half-way knowledgeable fan scratch his head. I've never been an anti-Pete guy, though I must admit that this season I'm finally reaching my limit. As good as he is in some ways, he leaves much to be desired in others.
You’re a bit of an enigma to me Parallax. One minute I think you’re being terribly harsh and the next you’ve got me agreeing. I think you’re harsh on the quality of the team, especially our offence, I’m neutral with your thoughts on Pete (I think he’s a great coach, but sometimes too loyal and forgiving), and I fully agree that Geno hasn’t shown he’s the QB that’ll get us ultimate success.....yet(? - I have serious doubts he will ever improve). I think Geno is the only thing stopping our offence being what it could be (him and/or maybe the OC).
I think we're pretty much in agreement, Dale. I don't see Geno ever being more than he is and I'm frustrated with the current brain trust for not giving Lock a chance and for making this trade that surrenders way too much draft capital. I wouldn't be this upset if it had been a third round pick, though even then I wouldn't have been thrilled. But by the third round, the draft is close to throwing darts. The second round is less so.
Fully agree re. Geno and Lock. I guess we’ll see how valuable Williams becomes as a member of the team. My feeling about the whole deal is a shrug of the shoulders.
I just think the team as a whole now is pretty exciting, where I feel like your more at my Williams trade feeling. I think they’re close to being something special (maybe just a QB and/or OC away from greatness).
I'd say the team is mediocre right now with some very encouraging signs, particularly on D. I still think the Adams trade was idiotic but having him back is great. I mean, as long as we had to overpay for the guy, we may as well have the benefit of his services. When he's healthy, he injects a lot of energy. And Witherspoon appears to be the real deal, by which I mean a significant difference maker. Maybe we'll just see flashes of that in year one but the future looks bright with him holding one side of the field and Woolen the other. Woolen seems to have the potential to be All Pro. It's scary to think of the potential Witherspoon has. I don't want to make stupid predictions so let's just say the sky's the liimit and that's exciting.
DW is playing great at the Nickel and plugged in to other spots occasionally, Like I have said before this D needs a very good nickel! Plus Tre is playing Very, Very good at the LCB - Don't mess with success, at this point.
I generally can see all of these except the first one, because that would be a very big outcome for a couple reasons. It means JSN steals WR1 from DK in his second season, which barring a trade or major injury means DK is getting demoted. Could happen organically but feels like a real long shot because most (pretty much all) NFL receivers don't evolve that fast, even the very best.
I'm also skeptical they extend/restructure Lockett again, it's just too much money and even though he remains an incredibly potent member of this offense, his longevity is a big issue. They might feel inclined to do it because Lockett's first extension was such a ridiculous bargain for the franchise, they actually underpaid Lockett significantly. But the lessons learned from Lynch and Chancellor have to land at some point: playing in the NFL is brutal and the cap does have real ramifications, and a team on the rise is not in a good position to be giving out feel-good extensions that likely won't pan out. I was a big Lockett proponent before he was drafted and I will be so sad when he's gone but they really should not lay new bets on his future health.
Dissly goes , Wags, Brooks, Lockett, Williams and Diggs stay. DK gets traded for a high 1st round pick they use on one of top QBS. Geno is released and Lock is the bridge QB.
With the savings they sign a top vet reciever with less drama than DK.
Lucas returns and they draft a
guard / center for depth.
With this great QB draft class they have to get a QB.
Bold predictions indeed. Not sure they’ll all happen, but all are worth considering.
If Brooks maintains his current level all season, I think he’ll be back.
Totally with you on Mafe. He’s been a favorite of mine since early in his rookie year. He’s playing better now than at the start of this season and I think he’ll be even better by the end of the year.
Mafe is playing out of his mind right now, it's really incredible. He's in some rarified air considering his production. He might end up being the biggest steal of the 2022 draft for this team.
So....here’s a theory on that 2nd rd pick Schneider spent on Williams:
He’s going to get it back, plus another 3rd, when he trades out of the 1st rd. Seattle may not have more than 10-12 first-rounders on their board, so if they’re picking between 23-26 (my guess) would be worth a 2 and a 3 to trade down.
So a 2 and three 3’s, and then 4 5 6 (McCall) and 7.
BTW if Seattle is picking at 25, that would mean picking McCall at 199 in the 6th rd. In case that rings a bell with anyone.
Won’t actually work out that way now bc of all the comp picks, but would be cool symmetry.
Totally agree! I kinda think Schneider was looking at their board when they upped their trade value to beat everyone else out. He's getting Williams essentially for free this season, that was likely worth it for him. The only drawback to that is that pretty much every other GM is going to figure that out, so the trade back leverage may be weaker because they'll be expecting it.
Ha, you know that LJ Collier is only one year younger than Leonard Williams? That cracks me up. Definitely the worst pick Pete/John have ever made (it's not Collier's fault they reached so far for him, but still).
Sure, that was a disaster but my take on McDowell is that his dumb post-draft accident wasn't their fault and he likely wasn't the reach that Collier was. Collier was a bigger desperation pick than McDowell, so I'd say they didn't learn their lesson there. Plus, they recouped much of the money McDowell was owed and he didn't waste a roster spot for four years doing next to nothing of value.
Another part of the equation is how far the Seahawks make it this year.
If they end up a wildcard team and get bounced in the first game (and I am assuming this is their floor this year), that would be a signal that the build needs to keep going, and the old(er) vets need to go with high quality young guns to replace them, including at QB. DK gets traded for picks and some cap space; Bobby goes, Dissly definitely goes, Diggs goes.
Let's say the ceiling is the Seahawks make it to the NFC Conference Championship game, after winning the division. That is pretty darn close to making it to the SB! Then it is time for tinkering at the edges, managing to squeeze in a couple of more complimentary pieces under the cap. Lockett stays, Bobby stays, DK stays (maybe). The band mostly stays together, but Dissly goes and probably Diggs to make room.
In either scenario, the youth will be served. JSN is going to be the #1 at some point, maybe as early as next year. If it IS next year though, that would argue for DK getting moved I would think.
Yes but his cost to trade is essentially 0 against the cap and the acquiring team is on the hook for is approximate 10 million in the first year of the deal which is in line with the production value DK has demonstrated (OTC approximately 10 million). DK costs 18 million in the final year but the acquiring team can walk away at no cost. What I am saying is if the Seahawks want to move up for a quarterback or move on because DK is unwilling to accept the number 2 receiver position then he is the logical trade piece on the Seahawks.
Personally, I can't imagine Carroll agreeing to any sort of rebuild. He'll want to hold onto veterans like DK and Diggs. I don't know if Wagner will want to play another year but I'm sure he'd be welcome if the contract price were reasonable. Disley seems a likely cap hit unless he agrees to resign for less.
It seems like JSN may be taking targets away from the tight ends, especially if he leads the team next year. If so, then why would we pay Fant to keep him to block when he is more of a receiver? Why wouldn't we go after other blocking TEs for less money? Same with CPark. Unless they are both better blockers than I credit them for, or they aren't dying to catch balls somewhere else.
No unit ( other than the QB ) is more important on offense than the O-line! Plus they need time to gel and play together- Now I'm not saying Geno is the end all/be all, But if we had a healthy O-line that had been playing together you can bet your Bottom dollar the offense would be much, much better! So (IMHO) with the addition of Williams on D< if the O-line can get back to some kind of reasonable health -The offense and the team will get better for sure! On another note - Even though I do like Williams to make comparisons with a Young stud like Carter is ????? at best- Jordyn is playing better every week! and considering what he had done and how fast he came back it is amazing! Unless he wants to break the bank I feel we need to bring him back!
Thanks, I felt this post was Nuts On !
I just read first rd draft prediction on BR and it was literally funny. They had us taking IOL, specifically the first center. My first thought was, have they seen our one year rental Brown??? Clearly not. They did bring up Olu, but Brown appears to be playing himself into a new contract. Have Hawks ever picked OC in early round under PC? We all wanted it a couple years back but no. Third, JS as he did here, OT with potential of Abe moving inside. Come on BR do better
To add to you Leonard William prediction, I think he will be equal to if not superior to Jalen Carter, for the next 2 or 3 years. So in effect we got Spoon and a Carter type player for the next 10 weeks!
LFG!!!
I also think that given his age we may be able to resign him to a contract that is not far from Carters. At five Carter would have cost 34.5 million for 4 years. Williams cost less than a million this year. Lets say we resign for 33 million next year with 20 million guaranteed (reasonable for three years) Williams cost is the same. So if the Seahawks can resign then they get what amounts to Carter and Witherspoon for the first that came from Denver, and a 2024 second and a fifth. Still got to happen but the Seahawks have a huge advantage by having the guy on their roster.
Your last prediction was the best.
Whew! I feel so much better on the trade for Williams now that SDB has come out against it as an "overpay" :D.
It was "too aggressive"... well darn it I WANT PCJS to be aggressive! Now if we can just get Pete to give Lock some snaps lol.
IMHO the most important free agent is Damien Lewis. But he'll sure be very expensive.
Yes he will.
These all seem plausible enough. I do think there is a non-zero chance DK is traded in the offseason to a team with the cap space, and a need at WR. I like DK, but I'm getting the impression he is what he is, and isn't all that interested in being more than he currently is. It's too bad really, given his physical skills.
Dissly I think will be back, but on a much, much more reasonable contract. Uncle Will won't want to go anywhere else, so he'll resign here for whatever we offer. The market for Fant? Who knows. I'm sure we'd want to sign him if the price is reasonable, which it could very well be.
We're going to have to deal with Jamal's and Tyler's contracts in some way, shape, or form. I love the people they are, but not at that cap hit.
Our round 1 pick next year? A tackle/guard is a perfectly reasonable guess, but my guess would be a trade back, or multiple trade backs, and it turns into a round 2 pick. If a QB1 prospect falls to them that JS has rated highly is the only way that they stay and make the pick. John will want to add back to his draft capital if he can after trading the round 2 pick.
JSN to WR1 - yes! Agree it's quite likely because he's a really good WR! DK & NoE will both be here in '24. In the modern NFL you need minimum two WR threats, realistically three, and they fill out those roles (at a high cost yes, but there is no good way out of that for '24. For '25 that changes and we should be xploring more WR options)
Fant over Dissly - Makes sense! We have a way on from Dissly as you point out and I would hope JS is bold enough to use that opportunity.
Extend Williams - Yep! This to me feels obvious... however it depends what his demands are. A contract similar to that of Reed, yes. Similar to Jones, hmm ok. Anything close to what the Giants gave him, no no no.
Wagner running it back - probably. Wagz is just gonna keep going and going and going it feels. My only concern is that even this season we are still thin at LB and is there going to be a better FA than Brooks we can afford? I'm not so sure, and would try and work out a deal with Jordyn to at least carry the two as bridges to younger drafter options for '25.
Mafe Top100 - 2023! Mafe keeps up his play he could very well get Top100 this year, genuinely. Especially if he turns up @49ers and @Boys when the National Media will be paying attention.
Tackle in the 1st - I hope not! Well, caveat, it depends which Tackle we take. Someone like Fantanu who is a quality College T but could well transition to G at the NFL level i'm ok with. But my desire for the 1st is IDL where there are likely to be options late in the 1st for us, at the #1/2 IDL picked appeals more than the #8 Tackle (i'm also trying to find either a S or MLB to take in the 1st but not looking good).
McCall - Please! Just for the payoff of the years of inside jokes.
I'll throw in my own '24 predictions - 'Hawks acquire Fields/Wilson/Mills/Jones for virtually nothing to join the QB battle with Lock & Drafted option. Bellore is canned (this counts as bold because Pete is in love with the man). We draft a WR or RB at the top of Rd 3.
I think a DK trade is a very real possibility. He is not really a true number 1 receiver. He just doesn’t get open enough. Because he is not a true number 1. I don’t think he is likely to fetch a top 15 pick, unless we threw in a 22-28 pick. (I am being optimistic). He is a good number 2. Pete released Tate and I think he will be willing to trade DK rather than pay him number 1 money. The same is true for Lockett who is an at 30 plus is a very good possession receiver but not a number. His not going to be traded as the base salary/ roster bonus is too high. If we cut him the Chiefs/Bills/ Ravens or the like will swoop in and sign him for 6 to 8 million on a one year deal, as I think he will want to play for winner and would fit in any of those offenses. I hope he would consider the Seahawks but I fear we are seeing his last year. Uncle Will is gone. Kenneth has a right tackle in the first round and that makes senses for expected draft position. If they trade down into the early second round Inside linebacker makes sense. But I watched the Washington/ Oregon game and I kind of like Bo Nix. I think he might go in the late teens early 20s and I may be he ends up on the Seahawks.
I think Tyler will want to retire a Seahawk, but I can see him going to his home team (KC).
KC is kind of perfect. Watching Tyler find space when Geno broke the pocket on Sunday, I marveled at how good Tyler still is on off-schedule plays. Teaming up with the best off-schedule QB in the league just makes too much sense. That and Tyler has not won a Superbowl, and as long as KC has Mahomes they have a good shot every year. He can always retire as a Seahawk on a one-day contract.
The idea sort of makes me sick. I love Lockett. I sure hope he remains on the team until he retires.
Unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen unless Tyler decides to retire at the end of the season. Like Bobby in 2021 the numbers say Lockett gets cut even if everyone believes he can still play at a high level. Right now his production value is that of 12 million dollar receiver (OTC) and his cap hit is about 10 million. That is good, but next year the cap hit is just under 27 million with a saving of 7 million if released. If a team wants to win it does not carry that kind of cap liability.
I have mentioned Nix before. He’s having a good season and there hasn’t seemed to be too much talk about him.
I’m on the fence with DK. I don’t like his attitude at times, but I like his potential (though I’ve liked that now for a couple of years - though sometimes it takes a couple of years for guys that size to find their groove - see, yet again, on the fence). I would be interested to see how many times he has been open and Geno has either missed, hasn’t seen or disregarded him. It seems like it happens most weeks and if true, your comment about not getting open enough isn’t quite fair. It could be on the QB.
Agree, but there are times when it doesn't seem like he is going 100%- Some maturity would also be nice , but not to the point where it takes the fire-
In the film I have watched DK is rarely open. Advance Stats back up what I am see as he has a very low separation rate. My biggest gripe on the offense i is that Waldron keeps calling plays for DK as the number 1 and Geno keeps trying to force it to DK. That’s not saying that. DK is never open- he is just not open enough to justify the percentage of the cap he costs going forward. It is not a question of work either. He just doesn’t have the footwork to shake a defensive back. Like Bobo is not going to be a lot faster no matter how hard he works, DK is not going to fake DBs no matter how hard he works. That being said DK is a top tier number 2 receiver who stretches the field. Because of the bonus money the Seahawks have already paid an acquiring team picking up DK’s remaining contract gets a high quality no 2 receiver at a reasonable price. That is not worth a top 20 pick but it might be worth a top 40 pick.
We've got a lot of play calls where DK is the first read and a QB that likes to lock onto his first read. If Dk isn't getting open and Geno is forcing the ball anyway, we get stat lines like the Cleveland game. I don't think DK has always been utilized well in our game planning, and hopefully the development of JSN will give them more options and help DK play better to his strengths. Our WRs are all so different and mixing them into the game plan seems like it's still a work in progress. I'd hate to see DK go, but I agree that he's not grown into the player we're paying for.
I agree that DK is being misused by being used as classic number 1 receiver. He is a top tier number 2 receiver. The problem is that it is hard to run an offense without a clear Number 1, who is counted on to regularly beat his man/coverage. It becomes particularly hard to do when offenses get to the red zone. Right now the Seahawks don't have a number 1 receiver. What I hope happens is that going forward we will start to alternate JSN, Lockett, and even Bobo into the number route 1 and as result the attempts to DK drop.
At this point, as is clear from my comments yesterday, I'm pretty deflated about the Seahawks and our chances to rebuild in a meaningful way anytime soon. I'd of course love to be wrong and we'll see.
I think Pete and John think too highly of our chances in 2023, or at least I imagine they do. Otherwise, it's hard to fathom why they'd trade a second and a fifth for a 30 year old Williams. It was good to see last off season that they weren't going to sign Geno without a team friendly contract that didn't obligate the organization to a long-term commitment, but as the season goes on even that contract is seeming less and less like a no-brainer. I wonder if another team would have offered something similar. Nothing about his play this year (or the second half of last year) says anything other than solid backup.
We have another guy sitting on the bench with a set of skills that could result in him being able to lead the team a lot further, but it's hard to imagine him getting the chance, at least this season. Honestly, if Wilson hadn't demanded a trade, I don't think Pete would have let him go. Thus, much of our recent success is the result of luck as much as smart moves.
I really like Carroll as a person. I love his positivity and care for his guys. I don't see a whole lot of creativity in redesigning the offense or the defense, and we not infrequently see coaching decisions that make any half-way knowledgeable fan scratch his head. I've never been an anti-Pete guy, though I must admit that this season I'm finally reaching my limit. As good as he is in some ways, he leaves much to be desired in others.
You’re a bit of an enigma to me Parallax. One minute I think you’re being terribly harsh and the next you’ve got me agreeing. I think you’re harsh on the quality of the team, especially our offence, I’m neutral with your thoughts on Pete (I think he’s a great coach, but sometimes too loyal and forgiving), and I fully agree that Geno hasn’t shown he’s the QB that’ll get us ultimate success.....yet(? - I have serious doubts he will ever improve). I think Geno is the only thing stopping our offence being what it could be (him and/or maybe the OC).
I think we're pretty much in agreement, Dale. I don't see Geno ever being more than he is and I'm frustrated with the current brain trust for not giving Lock a chance and for making this trade that surrenders way too much draft capital. I wouldn't be this upset if it had been a third round pick, though even then I wouldn't have been thrilled. But by the third round, the draft is close to throwing darts. The second round is less so.
Fully agree re. Geno and Lock. I guess we’ll see how valuable Williams becomes as a member of the team. My feeling about the whole deal is a shrug of the shoulders.
I just think the team as a whole now is pretty exciting, where I feel like your more at my Williams trade feeling. I think they’re close to being something special (maybe just a QB and/or OC away from greatness).
I'd say the team is mediocre right now with some very encouraging signs, particularly on D. I still think the Adams trade was idiotic but having him back is great. I mean, as long as we had to overpay for the guy, we may as well have the benefit of his services. When he's healthy, he injects a lot of energy. And Witherspoon appears to be the real deal, by which I mean a significant difference maker. Maybe we'll just see flashes of that in year one but the future looks bright with him holding one side of the field and Woolen the other. Woolen seems to have the potential to be All Pro. It's scary to think of the potential Witherspoon has. I don't want to make stupid predictions so let's just say the sky's the liimit and that's exciting.
DW is playing great at the Nickel and plugged in to other spots occasionally, Like I have said before this D needs a very good nickel! Plus Tre is playing Very, Very good at the LCB - Don't mess with success, at this point.
I generally can see all of these except the first one, because that would be a very big outcome for a couple reasons. It means JSN steals WR1 from DK in his second season, which barring a trade or major injury means DK is getting demoted. Could happen organically but feels like a real long shot because most (pretty much all) NFL receivers don't evolve that fast, even the very best.
I'm also skeptical they extend/restructure Lockett again, it's just too much money and even though he remains an incredibly potent member of this offense, his longevity is a big issue. They might feel inclined to do it because Lockett's first extension was such a ridiculous bargain for the franchise, they actually underpaid Lockett significantly. But the lessons learned from Lynch and Chancellor have to land at some point: playing in the NFL is brutal and the cap does have real ramifications, and a team on the rise is not in a good position to be giving out feel-good extensions that likely won't pan out. I was a big Lockett proponent before he was drafted and I will be so sad when he's gone but they really should not lay new bets on his future health.
Lockett has at least another year or two in the tank-
Dissly goes , Wags, Brooks, Lockett, Williams and Diggs stay. DK gets traded for a high 1st round pick they use on one of top QBS. Geno is released and Lock is the bridge QB.
With the savings they sign a top vet reciever with less drama than DK.
Lucas returns and they draft a
guard / center for depth.
With this great QB draft class they have to get a QB.
Your last sentence is accurate, IMO.
Happy 1702 Day SSJ!
Bold predictions indeed. Not sure they’ll all happen, but all are worth considering.
If Brooks maintains his current level all season, I think he’ll be back.
Totally with you on Mafe. He’s been a favorite of mine since early in his rookie year. He’s playing better now than at the start of this season and I think he’ll be even better by the end of the year.
Mafe is playing out of his mind right now, it's really incredible. He's in some rarified air considering his production. He might end up being the biggest steal of the 2022 draft for this team.
At the end of this season a 2022 redraft would have him in the top 10.
So....here’s a theory on that 2nd rd pick Schneider spent on Williams:
He’s going to get it back, plus another 3rd, when he trades out of the 1st rd. Seattle may not have more than 10-12 first-rounders on their board, so if they’re picking between 23-26 (my guess) would be worth a 2 and a 3 to trade down.
So a 2 and three 3’s, and then 4 5 6 (McCall) and 7.
BTW if Seattle is picking at 25, that would mean picking McCall at 199 in the 6th rd. In case that rings a bell with anyone.
Won’t actually work out that way now bc of all the comp picks, but would be cool symmetry.
Totally agree! I kinda think Schneider was looking at their board when they upped their trade value to beat everyone else out. He's getting Williams essentially for free this season, that was likely worth it for him. The only drawback to that is that pretty much every other GM is going to figure that out, so the trade back leverage may be weaker because they'll be expecting it.
Sure hope it works out — otherwise you get a gem like Collier or Ifedi
Ha, you know that LJ Collier is only one year younger than Leonard Williams? That cracks me up. Definitely the worst pick Pete/John have ever made (it's not Collier's fault they reached so far for him, but still).
I think it's hard to be worse than Malik McDowell. But Collier is right there.
Sure, that was a disaster but my take on McDowell is that his dumb post-draft accident wasn't their fault and he likely wasn't the reach that Collier was. Collier was a bigger desperation pick than McDowell, so I'd say they didn't learn their lesson there. Plus, they recouped much of the money McDowell was owed and he didn't waste a roster spot for four years doing next to nothing of value.
Another part of the equation is how far the Seahawks make it this year.
If they end up a wildcard team and get bounced in the first game (and I am assuming this is their floor this year), that would be a signal that the build needs to keep going, and the old(er) vets need to go with high quality young guns to replace them, including at QB. DK gets traded for picks and some cap space; Bobby goes, Dissly definitely goes, Diggs goes.
Let's say the ceiling is the Seahawks make it to the NFC Conference Championship game, after winning the division. That is pretty darn close to making it to the SB! Then it is time for tinkering at the edges, managing to squeeze in a couple of more complimentary pieces under the cap. Lockett stays, Bobby stays, DK stays (maybe). The band mostly stays together, but Dissly goes and probably Diggs to make room.
In either scenario, the youth will be served. JSN is going to be the #1 at some point, maybe as early as next year. If it IS next year though, that would argue for DK getting moved I would think.
I don't see DK going anywhere next season... he has a $23 million cap hit next season.
https://overthecap.com/player/d-k-metcalf/7855
Yes but his cost to trade is essentially 0 against the cap and the acquiring team is on the hook for is approximate 10 million in the first year of the deal which is in line with the production value DK has demonstrated (OTC approximately 10 million). DK costs 18 million in the final year but the acquiring team can walk away at no cost. What I am saying is if the Seahawks want to move up for a quarterback or move on because DK is unwilling to accept the number 2 receiver position then he is the logical trade piece on the Seahawks.
Personally, I can't imagine Carroll agreeing to any sort of rebuild. He'll want to hold onto veterans like DK and Diggs. I don't know if Wagner will want to play another year but I'm sure he'd be welcome if the contract price were reasonable. Disley seems a likely cap hit unless he agrees to resign for less.