šImagine if Seahawks had an offense too
John Schneider's 2025 draft plans must focus on offense and QB
Hereās the most that can be said about how the 2025 draft will play out for next yearās class of quarterbacks:
Unpredictably.
At this time a year ago, people were still coming to terms with Jayden Daniels as a first rounder (he went 2nd overall) and Michael Penix, J.J. McCarthy, and Bo Nix were supposed to be fallback options on day two; instead they all went inside the top-12.
Hereās the least that can be said about how involved the Seahawks will be in those discussions:
Theyāve been scouting the 2025 quarterbacks for the last few years, at least.
After 14 years of working for Pete Carroll, QB prospect enthusiast John Schneider must feel like a teenager who has finally gotten the greenlight from his parents that itās okay to start going steady.
In Defense of Offense
As Tuesdayās newsletter pointed out, Schneider could ārun it backā on defense with most of the same players ā they could stand to add more talent and edge rusher should be a first round consideration ā but the offense is struggling and the draft should serve as Seattleās best opportunity to bolster a unit that doesnāt do anything as well as expected Super Bowl contenders like the Eagles, Lions, Ravens, and Bills.
Even if the Seahawks do have the NFLās best defense next season, ranking ~20th in passing and ~30th in rushing isnāt going to get Seattle any further than the second round of the playoffsā¦Is being the 8th-best team any better than being the 18th-best or the 28th-best?
The Seahawks have already been the 8th, 18th, and 28th-best team recently. Iād be more curious to see what it takes for them to be the third-bestā¦the second-bestā¦geez, Iād even allow the Seahawks to be the best team again.
If this sounds like a rocketship headed directly to planet first round quarterback, thatās unintentional. But should a quarterback be a consideration in the first two rounds? It should beā¦and it already is.
Offensive Importance
Here are the top-5 teams in EPA per play on offense:
Ravens
Lions
Bills
Moons
Eagles
At this point, any NFC Championship game that isnāt Eagles at Lions would be a shock. Ravens at Bills is also very much on the table in the AFC and if you think Kansas Cityās going to do their thing again, the Chiefs are ranked 6th so they barely missed the list.
Here are the top-5 teams in EPA per play on defense:
Lions
Vikings
Broncos
Texans
Eagles
A) More evidence as to why weāre going to see Lions-Eagles in the NFC Championship, but also B) Vikings, Broncos, and Texans? Houston is tied with Seattle for the 18th-best offense in the NFL by EPA/play and weāre seeing that a team like that is still struggling:
The Texans have a top-5 defense but theyāve lost four of the last six and to make the Super Bowl theyāre going to need to first beat a wild card team that might have a better record than they do; then go on the road to face the Chiefs or Bills; then do that againā¦
The same could be said for the Chargers. Though L.A. has allowed the fewest points in the NFL this season, they canāt beat playoff teams:
20-10 loss to Steelers
17-10 loss to Chiefs
17-15 loss to Cardinals
30-23 loss to Ravens
The Chargers only win over a team currently in a playoff spot was a 23-16 win over the Broncos in Week 6, when they were coming off of their bye week, and Denverās barely hanging onto the final AFC wild card because nobody else in the conference has a winning record.
And the Chargers already have their franchise quarterback!
But despite protecting the football (Justin Herbert has only thrown one interception) and upgrading the offensive line, the Chargers still lack next-gear explosiveness in both the passing game and on the ground. Thatās a cautionary tale for Seattle:
A great quarterback, new coaches, better protection, and capable receivers could still fall shortāfor whatever reasonāin a league where the championship standard is so far above being āreally goodā.
But donāt you have to try?
QB Comparisons
Here are some opinions:
Lamar Jackson is better than Geno Smith and heās having a better season
Jared Goff is about the same as Geno Smith but heās having a better season
Jordan Love is about the same as Geno Smith and heās having the same kind of season
The standard for playoff quarterbacks in the NFC still isnāt as impressive as the crop in the AFC, and thatās probably the strongest argument for not making a change at quarterback:
Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, and Jayden Danielsā¦
But whatās the standard and cost to build a team around the quarterback thatās good enough to help Geno be the winner in games against:
Goff with the best OC, the best OL, elite weapons
Hurts with an elite OL, an MVP candidate RB, a top-3 WR
Love with an elite OC, a top-3 rushing attack, a defense first in takeaways
Thatās not upgrading one position, thatās going to take Seattle upgrading the entire offensive line, a reliable tight end, and possibly making moves at running back and receiver. All of which are fantastic options for Schneider to consider in the first three rounds of next yearās draftā¦and doesnāt exclude the Seahawks from closely monitoring the quarterbacks again.
I love what the Falcons did
Watching Michael Penix give an interview to Mike Florio this week reminded me that even though Atlanta is sort of as good as the Seahawks (same 6-5 record, similar team dynamics), their most important player doesnāt even play. And thatās how it should be with rookie quarterbacks.
The sky didnāt fall. The team didnāt mutiny. Penix and Cousins get along fine. What were people so worried about?
As the Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels consortiums panic over expected first-year struggles, Penix gets to sit back, observe, and if all goes to plan, he can correct mistakes off the field, before they happen in games. Or as Tom Brady said:
"I've gone on record to say that it's best in my opinion for young quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks, to watch a veteran do it. There's so much that goes on and quarterbacks need to process so much information so quickly. I sat behind Drew Bledsoe my first year. What a great player he was, someone that I got to watch and learn from. Aaron Rodgers watched behind Brett Favre. Patrick Mahomes watched behind Alex Smith. So when you have a real pro in front of you, they can help with that learning curve, even though that young quarterback isn't going out there and losing confidence in what his abilities are."
Some first round quarterbacks sit as rookies, then in their second year, their third, and then never become adequate starters. (Paxton Lynch reference.) It goes both ways. And Penix could sit on the bench for most of his rookie contract, which is not ideal.
However, I wish I was watching the NFL draft that other people seem to be watching.
It would be different if the typical top-10 pick turned out to be as good as Devon Witherspoon or Aidan Hutchinson, but we know thatās not the case. Penix was Atlantaās fourth straight pick in the top-10 and these are the three who preceded him:
2021: TE Kyle Pitts, 4th overall
2022: WR Drake London, 8th overall
2023: RB Bijan Robinson, 8th overall
And these picks are better than most!
Should a team regret losing out on the next Drake London because they wanted to take a shot at a quarterback? If London turns into Mike Evans, then great you drafted a borderline Hall of Fame receiverā¦who has only made the playoffs ONE TIME IN HIS CAREER when Tom Brady wasnāt the quarterbackā¦and that non-Brady team was 9-8.
But if Penix turns into the next Matt Ryan, that team is going to stay in playoff contention every year and sometimes be good enough to reach the Super Bowl, so franchises that donāt take shots at quarterbacks once in awhile arenāt doing the draft right.
What to do about it
Without knowing the draft order and not being within weeks, if not days from the draft, thereās no point in saying specific names or positions that the Seahawks should address in 2025. However, that doesnāt mean thereās not an idealistic endgame here and this is what I would try to do:
Draft an offensive tackle in the first or second round
Draft a quarterback in the first, second, or third round
Draft a skill player or ANY offensive lineman in the second or third round
This could result in a QB/OT/WR draft, a OT/TE/QB draft, a QB/C/WR draft, or even an EDGE/OT/QB draft if the best available player in the first round is a pass rusher. But getting over the fear of drafting a quarterback is no longer just a (probably ignored) option.
Seaside Joe 2097
The question about the offense has been on my mind lately.
In 2023 the Seahawks finished 10th in EPA/play. They brought back largely the same offensive team with the exception of a new offensive coordinator. The line was equally as bad last year. The offensive coordinator who led them to a top 10 offense, has already been fired at his new job.
So why have they gone from the 10th best to 18th best?
Here is a more specific timeline of events:
2023 Week 13-18: 3rd best in EPA/play
Offense remains the same new OC
2024 Weeks 1-4: 11th best EPA/play
2024 Weeks 5-8: 21st best EPA/play
2024 Week 9 on: 28th best EPA/play
This may look like this is a Grubb fault. And hard to argue against that.
But, I have been watching a bunch of Mike Mac interviews, and I think it is a little deeper. Ironically, after firing Pete Carroll, Mike Mac appears to have made a significant investment into the run game. And like most investments, they typically loose money at first but have long term gains.
I think that this is what is happening with the offense. Mike Mac has stepped in and said, I know that the run game is bad and it is inefficient, but the only way to get better at something is to keep trying it. So Grubb, you have to run the football even tho it inefficient.
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but just watching the games it seems like they have ran the ball more and more as the season has gone on, which has possibly led in part to a less efficient offense.
Will the investment payoff? I think it will!
Mike Mac has also talked about how close they are in the run game. I just got done rewatching the Cardinals game and I can see what he is saying. Just like the defense gelling, the offensive line needs to gel and keep their run fits because one mistake can cost them the entire play. They have to work in unison.
This was just on my mind ... Hopefully it is interesting to all.
Go Hawks.
āIād even allow the Seahawks to be the best team again.ā Well, thereās the green light weāve all been waiting for. Bring on the Super Bowl!š
With regard to TE, I reckon Barnerās looked pretty good.
Any college QBās youāve got your eye on at this point?