> It just seemed to me like Seattle had made a lot of strides under Carroll and this was only one disappointing loss, so let’s just see what happens in these next five games anyway. The season isn’t cancelled!
I'd also like to point out that if you enjoy watching your team play just for the sake of it (which I find to be an exponentially more enjoyable and less frustrating way to follow the Seahawks), the season is never cancelled! They keep playing out the season even when they are eliminated from the playoffs! There's more football to enjoy!
Is it more fun when they win? Sure. But it doesn't have to *stop being fun* when they lose.
I did watch the Warner video in its entirety. I do think Sam’s timing is off on the JSN INT, (late) and he did not lead Arroyo enough on that INT. I’m going to watch the All 22 today and I think Sam missed a few opportunities for big plays because he didn’t see them. Horton was one of them, and on another, Horton beat his man but pressure was too quick. He only played a few passing plays. I know several guys have told me he’s not out there because he’s a WR 3 or 4, but if you’re looking for TDs to make up for the INTs, Horton is a scoring machine.
I usually take the “didn’t see him open” thing with a grain of salt. Let’s say the QB looks at WR1, but only WR2 is open. His eyes move to WR2, but it’s too late. WR3 just got covered up as the eyes move there. Meanwhile, WR1 just juked his DB in into the - SACK! Here, all three receivers got open, but not at the right time in the progression.
Maybe it’s bad luck. Maybe the receivers didn’t have the skill of timing their breaks. Maybe the play design was bad.
Or maybe the QB didn’t take the defensive alignment into consideration. Maybe he should have changed the progression order. But is that even a consideration in this scheme?
On the other hand, if the WR is wide open, the QB is looking right at him, and he doesn’t pull the trig… SACK!, that’s a QB problem.
I like to watch the plays myself to see if the open receivers sync with the progression. The QB doesn’t view the field with an All-22 perspective.
When you watch it, it will be interesting if you can see if the progression lines up with the open guys.
Timing is such a critical part of good play design. As you point out, the QB can't look at three guys at once, so good play design should match WR breaks to open windows with QB progression. When QBs hold the ball too long, either no WR got open within the play design, the QB isn't processing and progressing with correct timing/anticipation, or the QB is too timid and/or doesn't have the arm for tight window throws.
Did you watch the Warner video or the all-22? Warner actually circles Horton on the video, points out the safety is not there to help and Horton beats his man right out of the gates - TD Seahawks! He felt that was where Sam needed to be looking. Sam’s decision making is not where it was last year. Horton only played on 5 passing downs, zero targets, and he was getting open on his routes but not targeted. “Film don’t lie.” I’m going to watch the all 22 and confirm, but Horton is getting open and Shaheed is not is my guess. Throwing the post to Shaheed with three 49ers covering the play was a horrible decision. It never looked like a good throw and Shaheed is not a great contested receiver. I expect Horton to get targets tomorrow. They have to see he’s earned them in the film.
I have yet to watch either. I’ll watch Warner shortly.
I was writing more generally. Lots of casual fans complain that a receiver was open without considering the progression; hence my salt grains. Of course, Warner isn’t a casual fan. Looking forward to seeing his video.
The Horton example is great. It opens questions. Did Sam see it, pre-snap? Is he coached to change the progression in that case, or is Fleury’s play design and philosophy more strict? One thing for sure, Shaheed was blanketed. The decision to throw there was bad/forced. Look elsewhere, dump it off, or throw it away.
Also, did the Niners defense go light on the #4 receiver, knowing that Sam wouldn’t look there? Did they blanket Shahid, knowing that he was the preferred target? I’d love to know how Fleury and company structure things in that situation. The Niners likely know exactly how Fleury approaches it.
> It just seemed to me like Seattle had made a lot of strides under Carroll and this was only one disappointing loss, so let’s just see what happens in these next five games anyway. The season isn’t cancelled!
I'd also like to point out that if you enjoy watching your team play just for the sake of it (which I find to be an exponentially more enjoyable and less frustrating way to follow the Seahawks), the season is never cancelled! They keep playing out the season even when they are eliminated from the playoffs! There's more football to enjoy!
Is it more fun when they win? Sure. But it doesn't have to *stop being fun* when they lose.
I did watch the Warner video in its entirety. I do think Sam’s timing is off on the JSN INT, (late) and he did not lead Arroyo enough on that INT. I’m going to watch the All 22 today and I think Sam missed a few opportunities for big plays because he didn’t see them. Horton was one of them, and on another, Horton beat his man but pressure was too quick. He only played a few passing plays. I know several guys have told me he’s not out there because he’s a WR 3 or 4, but if you’re looking for TDs to make up for the INTs, Horton is a scoring machine.
I usually take the “didn’t see him open” thing with a grain of salt. Let’s say the QB looks at WR1, but only WR2 is open. His eyes move to WR2, but it’s too late. WR3 just got covered up as the eyes move there. Meanwhile, WR1 just juked his DB in into the - SACK! Here, all three receivers got open, but not at the right time in the progression.
Maybe it’s bad luck. Maybe the receivers didn’t have the skill of timing their breaks. Maybe the play design was bad.
Or maybe the QB didn’t take the defensive alignment into consideration. Maybe he should have changed the progression order. But is that even a consideration in this scheme?
On the other hand, if the WR is wide open, the QB is looking right at him, and he doesn’t pull the trig… SACK!, that’s a QB problem.
I like to watch the plays myself to see if the open receivers sync with the progression. The QB doesn’t view the field with an All-22 perspective.
When you watch it, it will be interesting if you can see if the progression lines up with the open guys.
Timing is such a critical part of good play design. As you point out, the QB can't look at three guys at once, so good play design should match WR breaks to open windows with QB progression. When QBs hold the ball too long, either no WR got open within the play design, the QB isn't processing and progressing with correct timing/anticipation, or the QB is too timid and/or doesn't have the arm for tight window throws.
Did you watch the Warner video or the all-22? Warner actually circles Horton on the video, points out the safety is not there to help and Horton beats his man right out of the gates - TD Seahawks! He felt that was where Sam needed to be looking. Sam’s decision making is not where it was last year. Horton only played on 5 passing downs, zero targets, and he was getting open on his routes but not targeted. “Film don’t lie.” I’m going to watch the all 22 and confirm, but Horton is getting open and Shaheed is not is my guess. Throwing the post to Shaheed with three 49ers covering the play was a horrible decision. It never looked like a good throw and Shaheed is not a great contested receiver. I expect Horton to get targets tomorrow. They have to see he’s earned them in the film.
I have yet to watch either. I’ll watch Warner shortly.
I was writing more generally. Lots of casual fans complain that a receiver was open without considering the progression; hence my salt grains. Of course, Warner isn’t a casual fan. Looking forward to seeing his video.
The Horton example is great. It opens questions. Did Sam see it, pre-snap? Is he coached to change the progression in that case, or is Fleury’s play design and philosophy more strict? One thing for sure, Shaheed was blanketed. The decision to throw there was bad/forced. Look elsewhere, dump it off, or throw it away.
Also, did the Niners defense go light on the #4 receiver, knowing that Sam wouldn’t look there? Did they blanket Shahid, knowing that he was the preferred target? I’d love to know how Fleury and company structure things in that situation. The Niners likely know exactly how Fleury approaches it.
I don’t understand the throwing into tight windows. Throw it away or dump it off. Between the rubles by the RBs and picks it’s killing the games.