Forget about Tony what’s his name. I enjoy reading your comments. You had me rooting for Davis in the 1st round. But it turns out I am pretty happy with Cross
You da man, Joe. I appreciate your takes and learn a lot. But now I'm going to take a little victory lap by calling attention to the fact that on April 19th, in response to your post on the Seahawks not taking Cross, no way, no how, I wrote this:
I'd be all in on Charles Cross. Not that I have any confidence Pete and John will do it. But, for Christ sake, this kid drips with talent and he can lean to run block. If he's available and they don't take him, I think they'll likely be really sorry.
The thing I missed about Cross that would have made me higher on his stock was his age. He's a 21 year old sophmore still growing into his body. Reading about him you'd think he was a senior with refined skills not a raw kid.
I'd like to see an OLB/Edge at 40 or 41. Ojabo and/or Mafe could still be there, or Ebiketie at DE could be a good value pick. Really, whoever the hawks like most in that role, there should be a good pick for draft value at that point. It would make a lot of sense to draft a CB around there too, like Booth or Gordon. I would also rather see them take a RB at that point over WR or QB, and both Hall and Walker could be there.
I know we should anticipate a trade down, but I'm not convinced. There seems to be a lot of draft value at positions of need right where we've got two picks to make. I vote we use them!
I have one reservation about Cross, after watching as much of his tape as I could find. I think he could be a decent blocker in a power game, and a better than decent blocker in an outside zone game.
But in too many of his pass blocking reps he is just too handsy. He keeps his man off the QB, but too often his hands are outside and grabbing. If he continues that tendency, especially as a rookie he will be seeing a lot of yellow coming his way from the refs...
I don't understand Desmond Ridder being on our board before round 6. I am in favor of Matt Corral at 40 or 41. I think Sam Howell could be Gardner Minshew, which isn't bad you could win with him. The third QB Bailey Zappe would be good later on
Mafe seems like a possible choice. We are now into the meat of this draft, let's hope J/P have got this right, I think they will be using less projection and more usable knowledge.
I don't hate Cross as the pick because Cross is deficient, I hate it because of what it says about Stone Forsythe. I also hate it because it meant we didn't take Jordan Davis who I believe would have elevated the entire defense's play.
I hope they take a QB with the 40th pick, and then auction off pick 41 to the highest bidder, which would presumably be for another QB. Expecting Corral, Ridder, Malik Willis, or Howell to still be available in the 3rd round is wildly optimistic. QB's always go higher than expected. So these guys are seen as 3rd round talents, so that means they will go no later than the second round.
A trade down at 41 to about 50 would still leave plenty of meat on the bone. Chenal would likely be there. Same with Abraham Lucas, and some edges like Bonitto or possibly Mafe. I like Mafe a lot, but any edge will need to be darn good as a rookie to displace Taylor or Nwosu.
I am not letting him "ruin my life" lmao. I explained in the post why it's time for accountability and how as a Seahawks writer, I have no choice in what I have to react to when these fake rumors enter the atmosphere.
I hope that you didn't have too high of expectations for a sixth round tackle prospect. Stone Forsythe may or may not have an NFL career, but at the time he was drafted he already had like a 5% shot at becoming an NFL starter. Even for a brief period of time. He might as well have been a UDFA.
"QB's always go higher than expected." You watch the 1st round???
Yes, I saw Pittsburg reach for a QB. Good luck to Picket. He got a great place to give it a go. I watched closely, and teams spoke with their draft picks, and that said there were no second round QB's in the lot because if there were any second round prospects someone would have taken them in the first round. You know how it works.
You just seem to be stressing out a bit about the lies and rumors, but you won't change it, or the odds are against it, but it is a good fight. Go for it.
Forsythe could still have an important role on this team, including potentially as a starter at some point. That was never likely but is not necessarily less likely now. I certainly wouldn't have expected it to happen in year 1 with Brown in that role.
Clearly, Cross has the inside lane at starting at right tackle coming out of camp. But he or Forsythe could be moved to the right side, plus there are injuries. More likely he'll back up or at some point get released or wind up on the practice squad because he was a 6th rounder. I think our expectations last year got distorted because we had so few picks. And Forstythe seemed more talented than a typical 6th round tackle. If that was true last year, it's still true now and is not in any way negated by the Hawks taking a consensus top three tackle with the 9th pick of the draft.
Just to pick up on Stone, he has already made one year of NFL money. He will make a second year of NFL money. Stone like Cross came to us without doing much run blocking. The difference is Cross can run block, and I am sure Pete has seen the beginning of an NFL run blocker and for sure a pass blocker. In today's NFL pass blocking is most valuable. I think Cross will like run blocking with his quick 10 to 20 yard movement
Thirdly to everyone saying Cross is the middle finger to Russ. One we would not have had pick 9 two we have never been able to draft low enough to get a very promising left tackle. Finally to those same folks we have had Duane Brown playing there. Other than the beginning third of last year Brown was Pro Bowl worthy. None of this is geared to you Parallax I pressed the wrong reply but I liked your post so I just started writing LOL
No worries, Chris. I agree with everything you've written. The snarky comments about drafting Cross after losing Russ seem silly to me for precisely the reasons you've set forth. One could argue we'd have had the #10 pick this year but for the Adams' trade, which is true. But Wilson would have been gone regardless.
Forsythe was a late round flyer and there's nothing to say he won't become a valuable asset either as a player or a trade piece. We needed a LT much more than a NT and 12 other teams felt the same way about Davis. He'll have to become Aaron Donald II to make the Hawks regret their decision. One of the picks in the second round needs to go for an outside linebacker/pass rusher. We don't have the depth required at that positon. I'm with you on Mafe but I think we'll be very lucky if he's there at 40. More likely will be Sam Williams who is also high on the Cowboy's board.
I forgot to even mention DT after all that writing about Jordan Davis haha. Yes, I agree that it is something to consider. Travis Jones could be a steal.
Forget about Tony what’s his name. I enjoy reading your comments. You had me rooting for Davis in the 1st round. But it turns out I am pretty happy with Cross
I won't forget! That's called ignoring accountability! Thank you Russ!
You da man, Joe. I appreciate your takes and learn a lot. But now I'm going to take a little victory lap by calling attention to the fact that on April 19th, in response to your post on the Seahawks not taking Cross, no way, no how, I wrote this:
I'd be all in on Charles Cross. Not that I have any confidence Pete and John will do it. But, for Christ sake, this kid drips with talent and he can lean to run block. If he's available and they don't take him, I think they'll likely be really sorry.
The thing I missed about Cross that would have made me higher on his stock was his age. He's a 21 year old sophmore still growing into his body. Reading about him you'd think he was a senior with refined skills not a raw kid.
I'd like to see an OLB/Edge at 40 or 41. Ojabo and/or Mafe could still be there, or Ebiketie at DE could be a good value pick. Really, whoever the hawks like most in that role, there should be a good pick for draft value at that point. It would make a lot of sense to draft a CB around there too, like Booth or Gordon. I would also rather see them take a RB at that point over WR or QB, and both Hall and Walker could be there.
I know we should anticipate a trade down, but I'm not convinced. There seems to be a lot of draft value at positions of need right where we've got two picks to make. I vote we use them!
Off topic of this Joe, you keep saying on your video/audio content that Linderbaum wasn't drafted. He went 25 to Ravens.
On topic, I hope Cross is great. Glad Seattle addressed tackle.
Big fan.
I have one reservation about Cross, after watching as much of his tape as I could find. I think he could be a decent blocker in a power game, and a better than decent blocker in an outside zone game.
But in too many of his pass blocking reps he is just too handsy. He keeps his man off the QB, but too often his hands are outside and grabbing. If he continues that tendency, especially as a rookie he will be seeing a lot of yellow coming his way from the refs...
I could see the Hawks going DL in the 2nd ( possibly slight trade down with from 41 for additional picks ) and CB or LB in the 3rd and 4th.
I don't understand Desmond Ridder being on our board before round 6. I am in favor of Matt Corral at 40 or 41. I think Sam Howell could be Gardner Minshew, which isn't bad you could win with him. The third QB Bailey Zappe would be good later on
Mafe seems like a possible choice. We are now into the meat of this draft, let's hope J/P have got this right, I think they will be using less projection and more usable knowledge.
Impressive that Cross is only 21.
I don't hate Cross as the pick because Cross is deficient, I hate it because of what it says about Stone Forsythe. I also hate it because it meant we didn't take Jordan Davis who I believe would have elevated the entire defense's play.
I hope they take a QB with the 40th pick, and then auction off pick 41 to the highest bidder, which would presumably be for another QB. Expecting Corral, Ridder, Malik Willis, or Howell to still be available in the 3rd round is wildly optimistic. QB's always go higher than expected. So these guys are seen as 3rd round talents, so that means they will go no later than the second round.
A trade down at 41 to about 50 would still leave plenty of meat on the bone. Chenal would likely be there. Same with Abraham Lucas, and some edges like Bonitto or possibly Mafe. I like Mafe a lot, but any edge will need to be darn good as a rookie to displace Taylor or Nwosu.
Pauline is a troll. Don't let it ruin your life.
I am not letting him "ruin my life" lmao. I explained in the post why it's time for accountability and how as a Seahawks writer, I have no choice in what I have to react to when these fake rumors enter the atmosphere.
I hope that you didn't have too high of expectations for a sixth round tackle prospect. Stone Forsythe may or may not have an NFL career, but at the time he was drafted he already had like a 5% shot at becoming an NFL starter. Even for a brief period of time. He might as well have been a UDFA.
"QB's always go higher than expected." You watch the 1st round???
Yes, I saw Pittsburg reach for a QB. Good luck to Picket. He got a great place to give it a go. I watched closely, and teams spoke with their draft picks, and that said there were no second round QB's in the lot because if there were any second round prospects someone would have taken them in the first round. You know how it works.
You just seem to be stressing out a bit about the lies and rumors, but you won't change it, or the odds are against it, but it is a good fight. Go for it.
I appreciate you!
Forsythe could still have an important role on this team, including potentially as a starter at some point. That was never likely but is not necessarily less likely now. I certainly wouldn't have expected it to happen in year 1 with Brown in that role.
Clearly, Cross has the inside lane at starting at right tackle coming out of camp. But he or Forsythe could be moved to the right side, plus there are injuries. More likely he'll back up or at some point get released or wind up on the practice squad because he was a 6th rounder. I think our expectations last year got distorted because we had so few picks. And Forstythe seemed more talented than a typical 6th round tackle. If that was true last year, it's still true now and is not in any way negated by the Hawks taking a consensus top three tackle with the 9th pick of the draft.
Just to pick up on Stone, he has already made one year of NFL money. He will make a second year of NFL money. Stone like Cross came to us without doing much run blocking. The difference is Cross can run block, and I am sure Pete has seen the beginning of an NFL run blocker and for sure a pass blocker. In today's NFL pass blocking is most valuable. I think Cross will like run blocking with his quick 10 to 20 yard movement
Thirdly to everyone saying Cross is the middle finger to Russ. One we would not have had pick 9 two we have never been able to draft low enough to get a very promising left tackle. Finally to those same folks we have had Duane Brown playing there. Other than the beginning third of last year Brown was Pro Bowl worthy. None of this is geared to you Parallax I pressed the wrong reply but I liked your post so I just started writing LOL
No worries, Chris. I agree with everything you've written. The snarky comments about drafting Cross after losing Russ seem silly to me for precisely the reasons you've set forth. One could argue we'd have had the #10 pick this year but for the Adams' trade, which is true. But Wilson would have been gone regardless.
Forsyth was a 6th-round draft pick. It’s a win if he sticks through his rookie contract as depth.
Forsythe was a late round flyer and there's nothing to say he won't become a valuable asset either as a player or a trade piece. We needed a LT much more than a NT and 12 other teams felt the same way about Davis. He'll have to become Aaron Donald II to make the Hawks regret their decision. One of the picks in the second round needs to go for an outside linebacker/pass rusher. We don't have the depth required at that positon. I'm with you on Mafe but I think we'll be very lucky if he's there at 40. More likely will be Sam Williams who is also high on the Cowboy's board.
DT is the next biggest concern to address in round two
I forgot to even mention DT after all that writing about Jordan Davis haha. Yes, I agree that it is something to consider. Travis Jones could be a steal.
I think outside linebacker/edge is the biggest hole. Taylor and Nwosu comprise our depth at that position.