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Seaside Joe's avatar

I heard that the other day not everyone was a fan of my Survivor references, to which I say I understand. I just hope that my header to "skip to this headline below if you don't want to read this" was at least sufficient advice.

All I can offer as defense is that I watch Survivor literally all the time. Naturally it's going to seep into my work now and then. I don't push it on anyone because that's not my vibe, I don't like the phrase "Oh you have to see this..." To each their own.

But I find there are two types of Survivor people:

1-the ones who say "That show is STILL on TV???"

2-And people who love Survivor.

Over the years I'll have friend who ends up watching a season of Survivor because they know I love it. Not once has that person come back to me and said they didn't like it and then they'll continue to watch it. Every time they end up loving the show. This may not be your experience and most people will never watch it and that's OK with me but just some behind the scenes info on why this "old show from 25 years ago" is still top of mind for me. It's a miracle I only reference it a couple of times a year.

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This is a fascinating conversation. And I have no idea what the Seahawks will do.

Sam Darnold was largely a fine QB. He also led the league in turnovers.

He was also largely irrelevant (meaning most QBs would win) in most games this year. He had an all time great defense and a run game.

After the biggest game of the year he played very poorly (4 interceptions). The team tightened the screws and went run game.

But, his best game of his career was the NFC Championship game.

However, last year his two worst games weee the two biggest games.

So where does that leave him?

As far as the NFL qb landscape goes … I just think many of them are similar. And what happens is the team around them, the oc, the line, the receivers, are not the same. But people tend to look at them like pitchers in baseball.

QBs aren’t pitchers in baseball,.. they are highly reliant on what’s going b on around them.

Last year, Geno was asked to throw the ball 56 times on the road in Detroit … this year … Sam Darnold “won” a playoff game throwing the ball 17 times! How is that even similar? In one game of work for Geno was 4 times the amount of t of work for sam. Thats crazy

Similarly, Stroud in a snow storm, was asked to throw the ball 47 times! The Seahawks under Kubiak and Mike Mac are never going to throw the ball that much especially in a snow storm

so what do I think?

I think there is a fairly large amount of t of QBs that are simarly talented. But because some teams place way too much responsibility on the QB and the media hypes up the QBs as saviors (somehow team wins is a qb stat) leads to bad evaluations.

Barely anyone evaluates a QB on their own play.

“Advanced” stats that claim to isolate Qb play? EPA? No way is that a QB stat… that is an offensive stat. CPOE? Are we sure that isn’t a receiver stat?

So I have these QBs and more roughly the same:

Darnold

Purdy

Geno

Goff

Stroud

T Law

Hurts

Caleb (low end)

Herbert

Maye

And people will say … how is that possible? How can a QB that wins 3 games as good as one that wins 14!?

Well we just saw it. How can Sam go from discarded QB that no one wants to Super Bowl champ? Becuase, when you are a good but not great QB, you can win. Period. Build the team.

Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, healthy Stafford … are tier 1

The rest are tier 2.

Kyler is tier 3.

And Brosmer, McCarthy etc … are unplayable.

Conclusion? This is why it was right to pivot from Geno to Darnold. Same tier. And if Stroud became available at $30M/yr or so … he would be a great value etc.

QBs are overpaid and overrated. It’s a media narrative that is just not true. Build a great team and enjoy sustained success. If Sam wants to get paid top dollar … let’s move on.

Seahawks have never drafted a qb high, traded for a QB, and haven’t recently paid the QBs demands. What does that tell ya?

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