What I think - if the Seahawks draft a quarterback at five it will either be Young or Hooker. Young because he feel over size concerns. Hooker because they don’t believe Hooker will there at 20. (I am with Chris Simms (the guy who thought Walker was the best running back in the 2022 draft), Hooker is the third best QB prospect and going mid first round if the Seahawks and Lions pass on him.
I also think that if the draft goes Stroud Young, Anderson, the Colts will not draft Carter because besides QB, they have desperate needs at offensive tackle both sides and corner. I believe Carter is a tremendous talent but the Colts needs at premium positions forces their hand.
I also think that if Carter is there the Seahawks will take him. In the end talent wins. I think that if you asked the scout’s to make a futures bet on which player in the 2023 draft had the best chance to get a yellow jacket in 20 years a large majority would pick Carter.
love it, Joe. another calm and thoughtful breakdown of the most logical outcomes. my gut says that by the end of the first round we end up w Carter and Robinson. can't wait to see how the draft unfolds.
Given the two scenarios you projected, I pick the best case scenario. That was easy.
But if the worst case scenario happens I would look to trade down, Given the interest Richardson has generated my partner in trade (best case scenario) is Las Vegas. The Hawks would drop a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder (in my world). But I would not trade down below the 12th pick, then I think we would have to stand pat at #5. I do this because I think the Hawks DO need more draft capital because we still have many holes to fill and the more "bites at the apple" the better.
My opinion would be your going to get a QB or Anderson at 5 guaranteed which is amazing, I would be shocked if they took Carter in fact I’m guessing Carter isn’t even on there board or many teams boards considering like the one commenter said usually top 30 visits are to dig a little deeper but Carter has only 3 top 30 visits scheduled which means he’s off a lot of teams boards or teams are already comfortable drafting him either way I don’t see him getting picked before the eagles at the earliest, but Kenneth even if your desperately hoping seattle doesn’t draft Levis at 5 to prove Rob wrong at least I can be happy knowing they took a shot at a QB of the future with legit talent and not a late round QB hoping for a miracle
He's not hoping they don't draft Levis at 5 just to prove Rob wrong, he doesn't think they WILL draft Levis at 5. Whether Rob is right or wrong is immaterial.
I love the trade down scenario but I don’t think it’s going to happen. To trade down the Seahawks to have to find a team that wants to trade up. If Stroud, Young, and Anderson are all gone what team is going to trade up. In response to speculation that Geno’s going to demand 32 million plus per year with 60 million per year guaranteed I argued that was not going to happen because it was not likely there was a market for Geno on those terms.
In same vein I don’t think there is likely to be a market for the Seahawks pick at 6. The consensus here is that the mock drafters are wildly overhyping Levis and Richardson.
I agree and I don’t think the staffs of the Moons, the Titans, and the Falcons are stupid and I certainly don’t believe they are dumber than the who most likely passed on Richardson to select Carter.
Why would any of these teams not see the same lack of production in college for Levis and Richardson that the Seahawks see if the Seahawks are choosing to trade out. Washington might swap draft picks and maybe throw in a third rounder to have first choice of the more likely a forth the remains player but why would the Seahawks make that deal?
As Kenneth points out the Seahawks don’t need more draft picks they need more starters. At 5 the Seahawks even if Carter and Anderson are gone. The Seahawks have their pick of the best cornerback in the draft, the best big defensive end, the best offensive lineman who is likely a pro bowl level guard and in the event of an injury (those happen) can play either tackle, or JSN who instantly gives Seattle on the best wide receiver rooms in the NFL, and maybe the best running back prospect in the past 5 years. Any of those players can make Seattle better this year. Being at 5 is not a bad place to be and better than 27 other teams. Relax, Seattle is going to get a starter and who knows we may well get a difference maker for the next 8 to 10 years.
That being said I think Carter will be there at 5 because the Colts top three needs are QB offensive tackle, and cornerback. Basically they are us last year and the smart money is they are going to take one of those of those three.
Do you think Seattle would draft Jalen Carter without interviewing him? I personally don’t think so and I have been watching for news that Seattle has scheduled an interview with him.
One scout explained that interviews of the 30 official interviews allowed per team type and usually reserved for people they still haven't figured out and they want additional information to convince themselves one way or the other. So it makes sense that if they are considering Carter at all they would use one of those 30 interviews to spend significant quality time with Carter to see where his head is at. I agree, it seems they have scratched him off from the first pick and maybe altogether.
I would love it if you could find that. There was nothing I saw about meeting at the Combine or Georgia’s Pro Day. And they don’t have a top-30 visit scheduled.
“If the Seahawks pass on him at 5, they are in such dire need of help at that exact position that I am fully convinced those interviews went horribly,” she said. “If the Seahawks pass on him at 5, the way that John and Pete love and appreciate athleticism and potential, the way that they are willing to take on guys for second chances, and the way that they need this position group more than any other, (then) this was a bad interview. That’s what passing on him at 5 tells you."
Can anyone explain why we are comparing Carter to N Suh? Suh dominated with no other talent on his line and played the whole game. Carter has 8-10 flash plays from the last 2 years and no stats to suggest he will dominate. This while plying with tons of talent. So he wasn’t overused AND had tons of other talent for the offense to focus on and still got no stats.
I watched multiple highlight tapes of Carter and the Natl Chanpionship. I am not a scout, obviously. I just don’t get it.
I can dig where your coming from. They seem to make him sound like the second coming of Cortez Kennedy. I heard one commentator say he had many Reggie White traits. I don't think any player can be compared to the minister of defense. On the positive side he takes on a lot of double teams, and ties up two Oline men so a linebacker can make the tackle
new subscriber & first post. I’ve read Seaside Joe for awhile now on Field Gulls & this site seems to be the least tribal & mean spirited in the comments. I appreciate the insight. I read the Athletic article & quite honestly, I think all mock drafts should come with the disclaimer that this is for entertainment purposes only. The reactions are really intense! Having said that, I think the Hawks probably have at least 4 guys they are Ok drafting at 5. I think they would take Anderson, Carter & Richardson & maybe Wilson. Not sure about Levis. Trading down is an option but I think they would have to go down past 10 to get a 2024 1st rounder & that lets a lot of enticing talent slip by. I honestly think the most interesting scenario is if Stroud or Young drop. Putting Richardson in the QB3 oven to cook for a year makes perfect sense but man, could you really do that if Stroud or Young are there?
Not sure what order P/J have the quarterbacks in. Say the Hawks get the chance to pull the trigger on Richardson at 5. He could contribute game one as a hybrid/ quarterback/runningback. I think Pete would present it as an opportunity to get used to the speed of the game and help the team. Can you imagine how much stress would be put on the defense if he and Geno were both on the field
I feel like Feldman didnt really change what I have read and watched about Carter - on field performance. His handskills combat is incredible. That was never in question.
If Feldman had said, “His problems are just maturity issues but absolutely NO issues with motivation/work ethic”, then that would be significant news to the public and I would love to have him at 5 or 3 over Anderson.
I really want Carter to figure it all out, fall in love with football, and want nothing more than to prove to the world that he is the greatest defensive player since Aaron Donald. Then I want to draft him at five. But we will see.
Right. When was the last time a QB from Ohio State succeeded in the NFL? We're waiting.!
Young will be fine if.he puts on some lbs. Levi's and Richardson are late 2 round picks at best. Remember Levi's couldn't best out an above average QB at Penn State. And you don't reach for an extremely raw QB like Richardson in the top 20. I think both Mc kee and Heaner are safer bets.
But as usual some QB needy team will over draft them.
Why would you assume that you only draft for this years’ needs? When is the next time we can get a top qb? Geno is turning 33 and we have no assurance of him being good.
When do you want to start planning for the most important position in the league?
This is an interesting question because at the heart of it is assuming we can get a top QB. Which, if JS/PC believe that there is a top QB for grabs (AR,Levis,Hooker, whoever) they should absolutely pull the trigger. No bigger benefit in NFL than a good QB on a rookie contract. However, I don’t see any QBs likely available at 5 that are outside of AR. And that is a long shot that he will be good enough to start in the NFL.
What assurance does any team have someone is good outside of the chiefs bengals bills? I’ll take Geno over any QB in NFC.
We have a 26 year old QB that loves Seattle and the coaches believe in. He is our “other number 1” QB. Until proven otherwise rhat is the future along with Geno who could be here for the next 3 years.
Future is solid but could be better. Hawks have done a great job in the off-season creating flexibility to draft or not draft a QB. Imo.
I can respect this position. I assume we agree relying on Drew Lock (1 yr contract) isn’t a great plan for the future. Hopefully they add some qb to the team and hope for a miracle.
Unfortunately there aren’t many guys worthy of the #5 this year. And I feel like it’s at least reasonable that both Geno and Lock flame out this year. As Joe has pointed out, all qbs are hard to project. We are unlikely to get a pick like this again to get a chance to roll the dice on a qb that you can squint and see best in the league.
But overall I definitely agree, not all QBs are worth rolling the dice on. John has had his eye on several of the top guys that had big worts coming in to the league (Allen and Maholmes, specifically). I will cheer if he picks one and will definitely follow all these guys’ paths going forward to see who’s vision for the possible end goal.
Where do you expect Sea to be drafting next year? Even if there are two top flight prospect next year, or 4, how much will it cost considering we won’t have extra picks like we do this year?
All prospects have worts (yes even Maholmes who many pegged as a 2nd rounder). So the question is, do you want to roll the dice this year when it’s practically free (thank you donkeys), or wait until next year when you will only have access to a top 10 pick by trading lots of draft stock, for a similarly worty prospect? (If the prospects have few or no worts, they go #1, so that will be impossible to trade for from the 20s)
Where we pick will be entirely up to PCJS. They’ll weave their magic to get their guy (who might not be who we expect). They will have already done homework on next year’s crop and have a plan, if that’s the way they go.
I’m not saying they won’t pick one this year. I’m just saying we don’t need one this year. As Joe say’s, no one can know except PCJS.
I’m just a bit tired of QB discussion. We all know who’s available and the various opinions on those QB’s now. It’s been done to death I reckon. Time to start comparing other possible position choices in more depth. Just my opinion/thoughts.
Worst case scenario with the two top QBs and DLs off the board? Take maybe the best talent left in Bijan Robinson. SDB will go up in flames, so there's a bonus.
I don't like this for selfish reasons... I play fantasy football and I plan on paying whatever it takes to get KW3 as my #1 RB next season. That way I get a great back and also get to root for a Seahawk. If Bijon comes in it dilutes Walker's value and I don't know if he would then be a target for me.
Bijon seems like an exceptional talent though and would look good in a Seahawk uniform.
Right?! I can't roster two fantasy RBs from the same team with virtually the same draft value. I hope Pete and John consider the fantasy implications of their draft choices!
The good news though is that it would likely prolong KW3's career and *might* actually lead to more TDs for him (I see him in 2 back sets with Robinson and as we know from MSU tape and last year KW3 is deadly in the red zone).
The "Best" is we draft a 10-year 8x Pro Bowler at #5, and #20, and #37 etc. The "Worst" is we draft someone who does their PCL on Day 1 of Camp and never recovers at #5, at #20 we pick someone who gets arrested for gun possesion, at #37 we find a man who punches Pete after losing the second pre-season game etc.
The "Likely" outcome is that PC/JS sit happily at #5 and just take what comes there way. For me there are two QBs, a RB, an Edge, a DT and two CBs worth of #5 - and i'll stretch to a third QB in their trust. So my "Best Likely" outcome is we sit, don't trade up or down from #5, and come away with a secure or rotational starter from all five Day One & Two picks (basically, do what we did last year just somehow even a little better). I don't really have a "Worst Likely" because PC/JS have done enough good work to earn my trust in whoever they pick, i'd just rather not trade up from #5 or #20.
I am most certainly not going to get angry or upset over the NFL Draft. I love the 'Hawks, love Football. But i'm sensible enough not tie my entire existence or wellbeing to it. Even in the "Worst" comes to pass, i'll still be a pasionate Seahawks fan, and I hope most 'Hawks fans feel the same (and smartly avoid the worst echo chambers of internet opinion).
I dunno, it's hard to think in superlatives when there are so many options. Currently I'm siding with the thought that the Hawks want to trade out of 5 with a team like the Raiders, pick up their 2024 first and then draft their QB of the future next year with a Raider's top 2 pick.
More athletic (better vert, broad, 40, etc.). Better arm. Ran a pro style offense successfully in 2021 (the McVay offense that we run and numerous other teams). Dealt with injuries, a new coordinator, and lack of surrounding talent in 2022, to obviously less success.
Also Lock was rated as a first round prospect by many, including nfl.com. One of the biggest questions about Lock was his ability to run the pro style offense. Levis has already shown he can do it.
In other words, he has fewer question marks and more athletic upside than an early 2nd round pick from a few years ago. (Both had accuracy and decision making questions marks)
I am not seeing the 40 time for Levis but according to at least one web site they are the same (about 4.7)? Levis better on vert and broad.
I have not heard better arm? But maybe. Maybe similar? How much better can an arm get? Lock is no Chad Pennington here.
As I've mentioned before, Lock's advanced stats from Denver may paint a different picture. He appears to be a good down field passer (Air Yards/very good arm) but struggles with accuracy. Will Levis had 1 decent year and 1 bad year in the SEC running a pro style offense. I'm not convinced that this is a rock solid argument that Levis can potentially run a NFL offense better than Lock who has actually played in the NFL and actually ran a pro offense (for a bad organization/coaching staff).
It seems to me that Levis is a marginally better athlete than Lock. I agree that their concerns are similar in terms of accuracy and decision making.
But isn't that my point? ... Is Levis really that much different than Lock in terms of Potential? Because Levis can jump higher and longer than Lock, that makes him a better prospect?
I respect others' opinions if they believe Levis is a better prospect, I just don't see it.
With AR it is very clear the differences. With Levis, I just don't see it.
They are certainly more similar than I thought before. The question is, how high would you draft Lock if he had pro style experience in your system, and could bring him into a highly functional org into a situation where he doesn’t have to come save the world.
Saying you already have Lock isn’t really apples to apples since you only have a 1 year contract. If he blows up you end up paying him Garrapolo 9er money with a handful of games to base it on.
The whole benefit is paying way under market rate for 5 years.
I don't think they are too different. Are the offenses Drew Lock was part of since being drafted not 'pro style'? The coordinator and talent part also perfectly fits the Broncos experience i think.
Lock was probably as good of a prospect coming out of college as Levis, and some might say better. But he was the bottom ranked QB in his limited starts in Denver in '21. Levis is still considered unknown, and that is tantalizing. I'm just answering the question, not a big fan of Levis. I'll be crestfallen if we take a QB not named Young or Stroud at #5, and I'm torn on Stroud.
One thing for me, between the Huskies and the Seahawks is clear ... Coaching really matters. In my opinion, Pete is one of the best to ever do it. It is funny to me that he has a narrative about him that he is a "defensive coach". I understand the reasons why however, in his last 23 years of coaching - how many times has he had poor QB play? 1 year (TJack)? That's incredible.
So you are taking Lock away from a potentially bad situation and putting him into a good one. Also, he now has real life pro experience, whereas Levis struggled in the SEC.
Why does Levis get a pass and say the talent around him and Lock doesn't?
I am not trying to convince anyone that Lock is good ... What I am trying to say is that the jury is still out especially in a post Geno world. So if PC says he has two number 1s - that's what I'm rolling with until proved otherwise.
No one believed Pete when he said he was rolling with either Geno or Lock last year. Then they were all shocked that Geno played better than average. They refuse to believe Pete when he tells them what he believes is true. I look forward to seeing Lock kick ass in the preseason. I sure hope he demonstrates at least some significant improvement, anyways.
Agreed ... also I think we found out that Geno has a superpower - he is very accurate. That’s no fluke.
Will lock ever get there? I don’t know ... but is his chances substantially different than Levis? That’s my question that has yet to be answered as far as I can tell.
.... Oops I forgot to mention that I am in complete agreement with Joe and Huston not going quarterback. There GM is a bit of an odd duck and that seems to be a little bit to high level for the former team prayer leader. Casario has engratiated himself in such a way to the Texans ownership that what he says goes. I could easily be wrong and he is better at his job than I give him credit for.
What I think - if the Seahawks draft a quarterback at five it will either be Young or Hooker. Young because he feel over size concerns. Hooker because they don’t believe Hooker will there at 20. (I am with Chris Simms (the guy who thought Walker was the best running back in the 2022 draft), Hooker is the third best QB prospect and going mid first round if the Seahawks and Lions pass on him.
I also think that if the draft goes Stroud Young, Anderson, the Colts will not draft Carter because besides QB, they have desperate needs at offensive tackle both sides and corner. I believe Carter is a tremendous talent but the Colts needs at premium positions forces their hand.
I also think that if Carter is there the Seahawks will take him. In the end talent wins. I think that if you asked the scout’s to make a futures bet on which player in the 2023 draft had the best chance to get a yellow jacket in 20 years a large majority would pick Carter.
love it, Joe. another calm and thoughtful breakdown of the most logical outcomes. my gut says that by the end of the first round we end up w Carter and Robinson. can't wait to see how the draft unfolds.
I think if that happens Pete Carol will be so excited he might pee his pants.
Seasid.
Given the two scenarios you projected, I pick the best case scenario. That was easy.
But if the worst case scenario happens I would look to trade down, Given the interest Richardson has generated my partner in trade (best case scenario) is Las Vegas. The Hawks would drop a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder (in my world). But I would not trade down below the 12th pick, then I think we would have to stand pat at #5. I do this because I think the Hawks DO need more draft capital because we still have many holes to fill and the more "bites at the apple" the better.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
My opinion would be your going to get a QB or Anderson at 5 guaranteed which is amazing, I would be shocked if they took Carter in fact I’m guessing Carter isn’t even on there board or many teams boards considering like the one commenter said usually top 30 visits are to dig a little deeper but Carter has only 3 top 30 visits scheduled which means he’s off a lot of teams boards or teams are already comfortable drafting him either way I don’t see him getting picked before the eagles at the earliest, but Kenneth even if your desperately hoping seattle doesn’t draft Levis at 5 to prove Rob wrong at least I can be happy knowing they took a shot at a QB of the future with legit talent and not a late round QB hoping for a miracle
He's not hoping they don't draft Levis at 5 just to prove Rob wrong, he doesn't think they WILL draft Levis at 5. Whether Rob is right or wrong is immaterial.
I love the trade down scenario but I don’t think it’s going to happen. To trade down the Seahawks to have to find a team that wants to trade up. If Stroud, Young, and Anderson are all gone what team is going to trade up. In response to speculation that Geno’s going to demand 32 million plus per year with 60 million per year guaranteed I argued that was not going to happen because it was not likely there was a market for Geno on those terms.
In same vein I don’t think there is likely to be a market for the Seahawks pick at 6. The consensus here is that the mock drafters are wildly overhyping Levis and Richardson.
I agree and I don’t think the staffs of the Moons, the Titans, and the Falcons are stupid and I certainly don’t believe they are dumber than the who most likely passed on Richardson to select Carter.
Why would any of these teams not see the same lack of production in college for Levis and Richardson that the Seahawks see if the Seahawks are choosing to trade out. Washington might swap draft picks and maybe throw in a third rounder to have first choice of the more likely a forth the remains player but why would the Seahawks make that deal?
As Kenneth points out the Seahawks don’t need more draft picks they need more starters. At 5 the Seahawks even if Carter and Anderson are gone. The Seahawks have their pick of the best cornerback in the draft, the best big defensive end, the best offensive lineman who is likely a pro bowl level guard and in the event of an injury (those happen) can play either tackle, or JSN who instantly gives Seattle on the best wide receiver rooms in the NFL, and maybe the best running back prospect in the past 5 years. Any of those players can make Seattle better this year. Being at 5 is not a bad place to be and better than 27 other teams. Relax, Seattle is going to get a starter and who knows we may well get a difference maker for the next 8 to 10 years.
That being said I think Carter will be there at 5 because the Colts top three needs are QB offensive tackle, and cornerback. Basically they are us last year and the smart money is they are going to take one of those of those three.
Best case for Hawks is they have a choice between Anderson or Carter. Wilson at 5is a stretch based on his college performance.
If those 2.are gone. Trade down.
Do you think Seattle would draft Jalen Carter without interviewing him? I personally don’t think so and I have been watching for news that Seattle has scheduled an interview with him.
One scout explained that interviews of the 30 official interviews allowed per team type and usually reserved for people they still haven't figured out and they want additional information to convince themselves one way or the other. So it makes sense that if they are considering Carter at all they would use one of those 30 interviews to spend significant quality time with Carter to see where his head is at. I agree, it seems they have scratched him off from the first pick and maybe altogether.
I thought I read somewhere that they already talked to him, though not a formal interview.
I would love it if you could find that. There was nothing I saw about meeting at the Combine or Georgia’s Pro Day. And they don’t have a top-30 visit scheduled.
All I can find is this quote:
“If the Seahawks pass on him at 5, they are in such dire need of help at that exact position that I am fully convinced those interviews went horribly,” she said. “If the Seahawks pass on him at 5, the way that John and Pete love and appreciate athleticism and potential, the way that they are willing to take on guys for second chances, and the way that they need this position group more than any other, (then) this was a bad interview. That’s what passing on him at 5 tells you."
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1746271/seahawks-reaction-too-many-concerns-about-jalen-carter-to-draft/
And a random comment on r/Seahawks asking "Then why did they interview him?" but without a source, so it seems I may have just dreamed it, my bad.
I'm gonna search right now!
Can anyone explain why we are comparing Carter to N Suh? Suh dominated with no other talent on his line and played the whole game. Carter has 8-10 flash plays from the last 2 years and no stats to suggest he will dominate. This while plying with tons of talent. So he wasn’t overused AND had tons of other talent for the offense to focus on and still got no stats.
I watched multiple highlight tapes of Carter and the Natl Chanpionship. I am not a scout, obviously. I just don’t get it.
I can dig where your coming from. They seem to make him sound like the second coming of Cortez Kennedy. I heard one commentator say he had many Reggie White traits. I don't think any player can be compared to the minister of defense. On the positive side he takes on a lot of double teams, and ties up two Oline men so a linebacker can make the tackle
new subscriber & first post. I’ve read Seaside Joe for awhile now on Field Gulls & this site seems to be the least tribal & mean spirited in the comments. I appreciate the insight. I read the Athletic article & quite honestly, I think all mock drafts should come with the disclaimer that this is for entertainment purposes only. The reactions are really intense! Having said that, I think the Hawks probably have at least 4 guys they are Ok drafting at 5. I think they would take Anderson, Carter & Richardson & maybe Wilson. Not sure about Levis. Trading down is an option but I think they would have to go down past 10 to get a 2024 1st rounder & that lets a lot of enticing talent slip by. I honestly think the most interesting scenario is if Stroud or Young drop. Putting Richardson in the QB3 oven to cook for a year makes perfect sense but man, could you really do that if Stroud or Young are there?
“This is for entertainment purposes only” <- haha that is a great idea!
Welcome! I’ve been here a year and have yet to see ANY nastiness in the comments.
Not sure what order P/J have the quarterbacks in. Say the Hawks get the chance to pull the trigger on Richardson at 5. He could contribute game one as a hybrid/ quarterback/runningback. I think Pete would present it as an opportunity to get used to the speed of the game and help the team. Can you imagine how much stress would be put on the defense if he and Geno were both on the field
Welcome to the comments section.
I feel like Feldman didnt really change what I have read and watched about Carter - on field performance. His handskills combat is incredible. That was never in question.
If Feldman had said, “His problems are just maturity issues but absolutely NO issues with motivation/work ethic”, then that would be significant news to the public and I would love to have him at 5 or 3 over Anderson.
I really want Carter to figure it all out, fall in love with football, and want nothing more than to prove to the world that he is the greatest defensive player since Aaron Donald. Then I want to draft him at five. But we will see.
No doubt! I would love that too!
If no one picks a QB in the first 4, we still don’t need a QB this year. Full stop.
Can we stop talking about QB’s now?
Right. When was the last time a QB from Ohio State succeeded in the NFL? We're waiting.!
Young will be fine if.he puts on some lbs. Levi's and Richardson are late 2 round picks at best. Remember Levi's couldn't best out an above average QB at Penn State. And you don't reach for an extremely raw QB like Richardson in the top 20. I think both Mc kee and Heaner are safer bets.
But as usual some QB needy team will over draft them.
I just hope it's not the Hawks!
Why would you assume that you only draft for this years’ needs? When is the next time we can get a top qb? Geno is turning 33 and we have no assurance of him being good.
When do you want to start planning for the most important position in the league?
When is the next time we can get a top qb?
This is an interesting question because at the heart of it is assuming we can get a top QB. Which, if JS/PC believe that there is a top QB for grabs (AR,Levis,Hooker, whoever) they should absolutely pull the trigger. No bigger benefit in NFL than a good QB on a rookie contract. However, I don’t see any QBs likely available at 5 that are outside of AR. And that is a long shot that he will be good enough to start in the NFL.
What assurance does any team have someone is good outside of the chiefs bengals bills? I’ll take Geno over any QB in NFC.
We have a 26 year old QB that loves Seattle and the coaches believe in. He is our “other number 1” QB. Until proven otherwise rhat is the future along with Geno who could be here for the next 3 years.
Future is solid but could be better. Hawks have done a great job in the off-season creating flexibility to draft or not draft a QB. Imo.
I can respect this position. I assume we agree relying on Drew Lock (1 yr contract) isn’t a great plan for the future. Hopefully they add some qb to the team and hope for a miracle.
Unfortunately there aren’t many guys worthy of the #5 this year. And I feel like it’s at least reasonable that both Geno and Lock flame out this year. As Joe has pointed out, all qbs are hard to project. We are unlikely to get a pick like this again to get a chance to roll the dice on a qb that you can squint and see best in the league.
But overall I definitely agree, not all QBs are worth rolling the dice on. John has had his eye on several of the top guys that had big worts coming in to the league (Allen and Maholmes, specifically). I will cheer if he picks one and will definitely follow all these guys’ paths going forward to see who’s vision for the possible end goal.
Next year. I believe it will be a better class.
Where do you expect Sea to be drafting next year? Even if there are two top flight prospect next year, or 4, how much will it cost considering we won’t have extra picks like we do this year?
All prospects have worts (yes even Maholmes who many pegged as a 2nd rounder). So the question is, do you want to roll the dice this year when it’s practically free (thank you donkeys), or wait until next year when you will only have access to a top 10 pick by trading lots of draft stock, for a similarly worty prospect? (If the prospects have few or no worts, they go #1, so that will be impossible to trade for from the 20s)
Where we pick will be entirely up to PCJS. They’ll weave their magic to get their guy (who might not be who we expect). They will have already done homework on next year’s crop and have a plan, if that’s the way they go.
I’m not saying they won’t pick one this year. I’m just saying we don’t need one this year. As Joe say’s, no one can know except PCJS.
I’m just a bit tired of QB discussion. We all know who’s available and the various opinions on those QB’s now. It’s been done to death I reckon. Time to start comparing other possible position choices in more depth. Just my opinion/thoughts.
If this draft class goes QB, QB, QB, QB in the first 4 picks, I’ll eat the nastiest barn hat I own. And I have a couple that are pretty disgusting.
Why do I now want QB, QB, QB, QB to happen ? 😆🤢
I gotta admit, I’ll be a bit nervous if the draft starts QB, QB, QB…..
My hat(s) get nasty when I wear them while shoveling horse crap out of the stalls in our barn on hot summer days. 🤮
Worst case scenario with the two top QBs and DLs off the board? Take maybe the best talent left in Bijan Robinson. SDB will go up in flames, so there's a bonus.
I don't like this for selfish reasons... I play fantasy football and I plan on paying whatever it takes to get KW3 as my #1 RB next season. That way I get a great back and also get to root for a Seahawk. If Bijon comes in it dilutes Walker's value and I don't know if he would then be a target for me.
Bijon seems like an exceptional talent though and would look good in a Seahawk uniform.
Right?! I can't roster two fantasy RBs from the same team with virtually the same draft value. I hope Pete and John consider the fantasy implications of their draft choices!
I know, right! :-)
The good news though is that it would likely prolong KW3's career and *might* actually lead to more TDs for him (I see him in 2 back sets with Robinson and as we know from MSU tape and last year KW3 is deadly in the red zone).
The "Best" is we draft a 10-year 8x Pro Bowler at #5, and #20, and #37 etc. The "Worst" is we draft someone who does their PCL on Day 1 of Camp and never recovers at #5, at #20 we pick someone who gets arrested for gun possesion, at #37 we find a man who punches Pete after losing the second pre-season game etc.
The "Likely" outcome is that PC/JS sit happily at #5 and just take what comes there way. For me there are two QBs, a RB, an Edge, a DT and two CBs worth of #5 - and i'll stretch to a third QB in their trust. So my "Best Likely" outcome is we sit, don't trade up or down from #5, and come away with a secure or rotational starter from all five Day One & Two picks (basically, do what we did last year just somehow even a little better). I don't really have a "Worst Likely" because PC/JS have done enough good work to earn my trust in whoever they pick, i'd just rather not trade up from #5 or #20.
I am most certainly not going to get angry or upset over the NFL Draft. I love the 'Hawks, love Football. But i'm sensible enough not tie my entire existence or wellbeing to it. Even in the "Worst" comes to pass, i'll still be a pasionate Seahawks fan, and I hope most 'Hawks fans feel the same (and smartly avoid the worst echo chambers of internet opinion).
I dunno, it's hard to think in superlatives when there are so many options. Currently I'm siding with the thought that the Hawks want to trade out of 5 with a team like the Raiders, pick up their 2024 first and then draft their QB of the future next year with a Raider's top 2 pick.
*Mike McD projects Levis in the second round
People who read this comments will know this by now ... but I just can’t figure out why people consider Levis a better prospect than lock?
Options A
Lock + top Dlineman available (Anderson/Wilson/Carter or whoever)
Option B
Levis on rookie contact which is more this year than Lock in cap hit but Levis would be cheaper in year 3 and 4 (and 5) potentially than Lock
Why would the Seahawks do that?
Do people consider Levis more talented than Lock? Why?
I would imagine JS/PC see it the same way (as me) but time will tell!
More athletic (better vert, broad, 40, etc.). Better arm. Ran a pro style offense successfully in 2021 (the McVay offense that we run and numerous other teams). Dealt with injuries, a new coordinator, and lack of surrounding talent in 2022, to obviously less success.
Also Lock was rated as a first round prospect by many, including nfl.com. One of the biggest questions about Lock was his ability to run the pro style offense. Levis has already shown he can do it.
In other words, he has fewer question marks and more athletic upside than an early 2nd round pick from a few years ago. (Both had accuracy and decision making questions marks)
Thank you for responding.
I am not seeing the 40 time for Levis but according to at least one web site they are the same (about 4.7)? Levis better on vert and broad.
I have not heard better arm? But maybe. Maybe similar? How much better can an arm get? Lock is no Chad Pennington here.
As I've mentioned before, Lock's advanced stats from Denver may paint a different picture. He appears to be a good down field passer (Air Yards/very good arm) but struggles with accuracy. Will Levis had 1 decent year and 1 bad year in the SEC running a pro style offense. I'm not convinced that this is a rock solid argument that Levis can potentially run a NFL offense better than Lock who has actually played in the NFL and actually ran a pro offense (for a bad organization/coaching staff).
It seems to me that Levis is a marginally better athlete than Lock. I agree that their concerns are similar in terms of accuracy and decision making.
But isn't that my point? ... Is Levis really that much different than Lock in terms of Potential? Because Levis can jump higher and longer than Lock, that makes him a better prospect?
I respect others' opinions if they believe Levis is a better prospect, I just don't see it.
With AR it is very clear the differences. With Levis, I just don't see it.
Here are Lock's numbers from his final year in Missouri and here are Levis' from what people consider his good year:
Lock Levis
62.9% comp 66% comp
3,498 Yards 2,826 Yards
8.0 Yards/Att. 8.0 Yards/Att.
28 TDs/8 Int (3.5 TD/Int) 24 TDs/13 Int (1.8 TD/Int)
147.7 Rating ESPN 148.3 Rating ESPN
175 Rush Yards 376 Rush Yards
3.2 Rush Y/Att 3.5 Rush Y/Att
The head coach was Vic Fangio during Lock's career there and Off. Co were:
Rich Scangarello and Pat Shurmur
They are certainly more similar than I thought before. The question is, how high would you draft Lock if he had pro style experience in your system, and could bring him into a highly functional org into a situation where he doesn’t have to come save the world.
Saying you already have Lock isn’t really apples to apples since you only have a 1 year contract. If he blows up you end up paying him Garrapolo 9er money with a handful of games to base it on.
The whole benefit is paying way under market rate for 5 years.
I feel like i have read this before...
I don't think they are too different. Are the offenses Drew Lock was part of since being drafted not 'pro style'? The coordinator and talent part also perfectly fits the Broncos experience i think.
Lock was probably as good of a prospect coming out of college as Levis, and some might say better. But he was the bottom ranked QB in his limited starts in Denver in '21. Levis is still considered unknown, and that is tantalizing. I'm just answering the question, not a big fan of Levis. I'll be crestfallen if we take a QB not named Young or Stroud at #5, and I'm torn on Stroud.
I don't disagree.
One thing for me, between the Huskies and the Seahawks is clear ... Coaching really matters. In my opinion, Pete is one of the best to ever do it. It is funny to me that he has a narrative about him that he is a "defensive coach". I understand the reasons why however, in his last 23 years of coaching - how many times has he had poor QB play? 1 year (TJack)? That's incredible.
So you are taking Lock away from a potentially bad situation and putting him into a good one. Also, he now has real life pro experience, whereas Levis struggled in the SEC.
Why does Levis get a pass and say the talent around him and Lock doesn't?
I am not trying to convince anyone that Lock is good ... What I am trying to say is that the jury is still out especially in a post Geno world. So if PC says he has two number 1s - that's what I'm rolling with until proved otherwise.
No one believed Pete when he said he was rolling with either Geno or Lock last year. Then they were all shocked that Geno played better than average. They refuse to believe Pete when he tells them what he believes is true. I look forward to seeing Lock kick ass in the preseason. I sure hope he demonstrates at least some significant improvement, anyways.
Agreed ... also I think we found out that Geno has a superpower - he is very accurate. That’s no fluke.
Will lock ever get there? I don’t know ... but is his chances substantially different than Levis? That’s my question that has yet to be answered as far as I can tell.
.... Oops I forgot to mention that I am in complete agreement with Joe and Huston not going quarterback. There GM is a bit of an odd duck and that seems to be a little bit to high level for the former team prayer leader. Casario has engratiated himself in such a way to the Texans ownership that what he says goes. I could easily be wrong and he is better at his job than I give him credit for.