What I think - if the Seahawks draft a quarterback at five it will either be Young or Hooker. Young because he feel over size concerns. Hooker because they don’t believe Hooker will there at 20. (I am with Chris Simms (the guy who thought Walker was the best running back in the 2022 draft), Hooker is the third best QB prospect and going mid first round if the Seahawks and Lions pass on him.
I also think that if the draft goes Stroud Young, Anderson, the Colts will not draft Carter because besides QB, they have desperate needs at offensive tackle both sides and corner. I believe Carter is a tremendous talent but the Colts needs at premium positions forces their hand.
I also think that if Carter is there the Seahawks will take him. In the end talent wins. I think that if you asked the scout’s to make a futures bet on which player in the 2023 draft had the best chance to get a yellow jacket in 20 years a large majority would pick Carter.
love it, Joe. another calm and thoughtful breakdown of the most logical outcomes. my gut says that by the end of the first round we end up w Carter and Robinson. can't wait to see how the draft unfolds.
Given the two scenarios you projected, I pick the best case scenario. That was easy.
But if the worst case scenario happens I would look to trade down, Given the interest Richardson has generated my partner in trade (best case scenario) is Las Vegas. The Hawks would drop a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder (in my world). But I would not trade down below the 12th pick, then I think we would have to stand pat at #5. I do this because I think the Hawks DO need more draft capital because we still have many holes to fill and the more "bites at the apple" the better.
My opinion would be your going to get a QB or Anderson at 5 guaranteed which is amazing, I would be shocked if they took Carter in fact I’m guessing Carter isn’t even on there board or many teams boards considering like the one commenter said usually top 30 visits are to dig a little deeper but Carter has only 3 top 30 visits scheduled which means he’s off a lot of teams boards or teams are already comfortable drafting him either way I don’t see him getting picked before the eagles at the earliest, but Kenneth even if your desperately hoping seattle doesn’t draft Levis at 5 to prove Rob wrong at least I can be happy knowing they took a shot at a QB of the future with legit talent and not a late round QB hoping for a miracle
I love the trade down scenario but I don’t think it’s going to happen. To trade down the Seahawks to have to find a team that wants to trade up. If Stroud, Young, and Anderson are all gone what team is going to trade up. In response to speculation that Geno’s going to demand 32 million plus per year with 60 million per year guaranteed I argued that was not going to happen because it was not likely there was a market for Geno on those terms.
In same vein I don’t think there is likely to be a market for the Seahawks pick at 6. The consensus here is that the mock drafters are wildly overhyping Levis and Richardson.
I agree and I don’t think the staffs of the Moons, the Titans, and the Falcons are stupid and I certainly don’t believe they are dumber than the who most likely passed on Richardson to select Carter.
Why would any of these teams not see the same lack of production in college for Levis and Richardson that the Seahawks see if the Seahawks are choosing to trade out. Washington might swap draft picks and maybe throw in a third rounder to have first choice of the more likely a forth the remains player but why would the Seahawks make that deal?
As Kenneth points out the Seahawks don’t need more draft picks they need more starters. At 5 the Seahawks even if Carter and Anderson are gone. The Seahawks have their pick of the best cornerback in the draft, the best big defensive end, the best offensive lineman who is likely a pro bowl level guard and in the event of an injury (those happen) can play either tackle, or JSN who instantly gives Seattle on the best wide receiver rooms in the NFL, and maybe the best running back prospect in the past 5 years. Any of those players can make Seattle better this year. Being at 5 is not a bad place to be and better than 27 other teams. Relax, Seattle is going to get a starter and who knows we may well get a difference maker for the next 8 to 10 years.
That being said I think Carter will be there at 5 because the Colts top three needs are QB offensive tackle, and cornerback. Basically they are us last year and the smart money is they are going to take one of those of those three.
Do you think Seattle would draft Jalen Carter without interviewing him? I personally don’t think so and I have been watching for news that Seattle has scheduled an interview with him.
Can anyone explain why we are comparing Carter to N Suh? Suh dominated with no other talent on his line and played the whole game. Carter has 8-10 flash plays from the last 2 years and no stats to suggest he will dominate. This while plying with tons of talent. So he wasn’t overused AND had tons of other talent for the offense to focus on and still got no stats.
I watched multiple highlight tapes of Carter and the Natl Chanpionship. I am not a scout, obviously. I just don’t get it.
new subscriber & first post. I’ve read Seaside Joe for awhile now on Field Gulls & this site seems to be the least tribal & mean spirited in the comments. I appreciate the insight. I read the Athletic article & quite honestly, I think all mock drafts should come with the disclaimer that this is for entertainment purposes only. The reactions are really intense! Having said that, I think the Hawks probably have at least 4 guys they are Ok drafting at 5. I think they would take Anderson, Carter & Richardson & maybe Wilson. Not sure about Levis. Trading down is an option but I think they would have to go down past 10 to get a 2024 1st rounder & that lets a lot of enticing talent slip by. I honestly think the most interesting scenario is if Stroud or Young drop. Putting Richardson in the QB3 oven to cook for a year makes perfect sense but man, could you really do that if Stroud or Young are there?
I feel like Feldman didnt really change what I have read and watched about Carter - on field performance. His handskills combat is incredible. That was never in question.
If Feldman had said, “His problems are just maturity issues but absolutely NO issues with motivation/work ethic”, then that would be significant news to the public and I would love to have him at 5 or 3 over Anderson.
Worst case scenario with the two top QBs and DLs off the board? Take maybe the best talent left in Bijan Robinson. SDB will go up in flames, so there's a bonus.
The "Best" is we draft a 10-year 8x Pro Bowler at #5, and #20, and #37 etc. The "Worst" is we draft someone who does their PCL on Day 1 of Camp and never recovers at #5, at #20 we pick someone who gets arrested for gun possesion, at #37 we find a man who punches Pete after losing the second pre-season game etc.
The "Likely" outcome is that PC/JS sit happily at #5 and just take what comes there way. For me there are two QBs, a RB, an Edge, a DT and two CBs worth of #5 - and i'll stretch to a third QB in their trust. So my "Best Likely" outcome is we sit, don't trade up or down from #5, and come away with a secure or rotational starter from all five Day One & Two picks (basically, do what we did last year just somehow even a little better). I don't really have a "Worst Likely" because PC/JS have done enough good work to earn my trust in whoever they pick, i'd just rather not trade up from #5 or #20.
I am most certainly not going to get angry or upset over the NFL Draft. I love the 'Hawks, love Football. But i'm sensible enough not tie my entire existence or wellbeing to it. Even in the "Worst" comes to pass, i'll still be a pasionate Seahawks fan, and I hope most 'Hawks fans feel the same (and smartly avoid the worst echo chambers of internet opinion).
.... Oops I forgot to mention that I am in complete agreement with Joe and Huston not going quarterback. There GM is a bit of an odd duck and that seems to be a little bit to high level for the former team prayer leader. Casario has engratiated himself in such a way to the Texans ownership that what he says goes. I could easily be wrong and he is better at his job than I give him credit for.
What I think - if the Seahawks draft a quarterback at five it will either be Young or Hooker. Young because he feel over size concerns. Hooker because they don’t believe Hooker will there at 20. (I am with Chris Simms (the guy who thought Walker was the best running back in the 2022 draft), Hooker is the third best QB prospect and going mid first round if the Seahawks and Lions pass on him.
I also think that if the draft goes Stroud Young, Anderson, the Colts will not draft Carter because besides QB, they have desperate needs at offensive tackle both sides and corner. I believe Carter is a tremendous talent but the Colts needs at premium positions forces their hand.
I also think that if Carter is there the Seahawks will take him. In the end talent wins. I think that if you asked the scout’s to make a futures bet on which player in the 2023 draft had the best chance to get a yellow jacket in 20 years a large majority would pick Carter.
love it, Joe. another calm and thoughtful breakdown of the most logical outcomes. my gut says that by the end of the first round we end up w Carter and Robinson. can't wait to see how the draft unfolds.
Seasid.
Given the two scenarios you projected, I pick the best case scenario. That was easy.
But if the worst case scenario happens I would look to trade down, Given the interest Richardson has generated my partner in trade (best case scenario) is Las Vegas. The Hawks would drop a few spots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder (in my world). But I would not trade down below the 12th pick, then I think we would have to stand pat at #5. I do this because I think the Hawks DO need more draft capital because we still have many holes to fill and the more "bites at the apple" the better.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
My opinion would be your going to get a QB or Anderson at 5 guaranteed which is amazing, I would be shocked if they took Carter in fact I’m guessing Carter isn’t even on there board or many teams boards considering like the one commenter said usually top 30 visits are to dig a little deeper but Carter has only 3 top 30 visits scheduled which means he’s off a lot of teams boards or teams are already comfortable drafting him either way I don’t see him getting picked before the eagles at the earliest, but Kenneth even if your desperately hoping seattle doesn’t draft Levis at 5 to prove Rob wrong at least I can be happy knowing they took a shot at a QB of the future with legit talent and not a late round QB hoping for a miracle
I love the trade down scenario but I don’t think it’s going to happen. To trade down the Seahawks to have to find a team that wants to trade up. If Stroud, Young, and Anderson are all gone what team is going to trade up. In response to speculation that Geno’s going to demand 32 million plus per year with 60 million per year guaranteed I argued that was not going to happen because it was not likely there was a market for Geno on those terms.
In same vein I don’t think there is likely to be a market for the Seahawks pick at 6. The consensus here is that the mock drafters are wildly overhyping Levis and Richardson.
I agree and I don’t think the staffs of the Moons, the Titans, and the Falcons are stupid and I certainly don’t believe they are dumber than the who most likely passed on Richardson to select Carter.
Why would any of these teams not see the same lack of production in college for Levis and Richardson that the Seahawks see if the Seahawks are choosing to trade out. Washington might swap draft picks and maybe throw in a third rounder to have first choice of the more likely a forth the remains player but why would the Seahawks make that deal?
As Kenneth points out the Seahawks don’t need more draft picks they need more starters. At 5 the Seahawks even if Carter and Anderson are gone. The Seahawks have their pick of the best cornerback in the draft, the best big defensive end, the best offensive lineman who is likely a pro bowl level guard and in the event of an injury (those happen) can play either tackle, or JSN who instantly gives Seattle on the best wide receiver rooms in the NFL, and maybe the best running back prospect in the past 5 years. Any of those players can make Seattle better this year. Being at 5 is not a bad place to be and better than 27 other teams. Relax, Seattle is going to get a starter and who knows we may well get a difference maker for the next 8 to 10 years.
That being said I think Carter will be there at 5 because the Colts top three needs are QB offensive tackle, and cornerback. Basically they are us last year and the smart money is they are going to take one of those of those three.
Best case for Hawks is they have a choice between Anderson or Carter. Wilson at 5is a stretch based on his college performance.
If those 2.are gone. Trade down.
Do you think Seattle would draft Jalen Carter without interviewing him? I personally don’t think so and I have been watching for news that Seattle has scheduled an interview with him.
Can anyone explain why we are comparing Carter to N Suh? Suh dominated with no other talent on his line and played the whole game. Carter has 8-10 flash plays from the last 2 years and no stats to suggest he will dominate. This while plying with tons of talent. So he wasn’t overused AND had tons of other talent for the offense to focus on and still got no stats.
I watched multiple highlight tapes of Carter and the Natl Chanpionship. I am not a scout, obviously. I just don’t get it.
new subscriber & first post. I’ve read Seaside Joe for awhile now on Field Gulls & this site seems to be the least tribal & mean spirited in the comments. I appreciate the insight. I read the Athletic article & quite honestly, I think all mock drafts should come with the disclaimer that this is for entertainment purposes only. The reactions are really intense! Having said that, I think the Hawks probably have at least 4 guys they are Ok drafting at 5. I think they would take Anderson, Carter & Richardson & maybe Wilson. Not sure about Levis. Trading down is an option but I think they would have to go down past 10 to get a 2024 1st rounder & that lets a lot of enticing talent slip by. I honestly think the most interesting scenario is if Stroud or Young drop. Putting Richardson in the QB3 oven to cook for a year makes perfect sense but man, could you really do that if Stroud or Young are there?
I feel like Feldman didnt really change what I have read and watched about Carter - on field performance. His handskills combat is incredible. That was never in question.
If Feldman had said, “His problems are just maturity issues but absolutely NO issues with motivation/work ethic”, then that would be significant news to the public and I would love to have him at 5 or 3 over Anderson.
If no one picks a QB in the first 4, we still don’t need a QB this year. Full stop.
Can we stop talking about QB’s now?
If this draft class goes QB, QB, QB, QB in the first 4 picks, I’ll eat the nastiest barn hat I own. And I have a couple that are pretty disgusting.
Worst case scenario with the two top QBs and DLs off the board? Take maybe the best talent left in Bijan Robinson. SDB will go up in flames, so there's a bonus.
The "Best" is we draft a 10-year 8x Pro Bowler at #5, and #20, and #37 etc. The "Worst" is we draft someone who does their PCL on Day 1 of Camp and never recovers at #5, at #20 we pick someone who gets arrested for gun possesion, at #37 we find a man who punches Pete after losing the second pre-season game etc.
The "Likely" outcome is that PC/JS sit happily at #5 and just take what comes there way. For me there are two QBs, a RB, an Edge, a DT and two CBs worth of #5 - and i'll stretch to a third QB in their trust. So my "Best Likely" outcome is we sit, don't trade up or down from #5, and come away with a secure or rotational starter from all five Day One & Two picks (basically, do what we did last year just somehow even a little better). I don't really have a "Worst Likely" because PC/JS have done enough good work to earn my trust in whoever they pick, i'd just rather not trade up from #5 or #20.
I am most certainly not going to get angry or upset over the NFL Draft. I love the 'Hawks, love Football. But i'm sensible enough not tie my entire existence or wellbeing to it. Even in the "Worst" comes to pass, i'll still be a pasionate Seahawks fan, and I hope most 'Hawks fans feel the same (and smartly avoid the worst echo chambers of internet opinion).
*Mike McD projects Levis in the second round
People who read this comments will know this by now ... but I just can’t figure out why people consider Levis a better prospect than lock?
Options A
Lock + top Dlineman available (Anderson/Wilson/Carter or whoever)
Option B
Levis on rookie contact which is more this year than Lock in cap hit but Levis would be cheaper in year 3 and 4 (and 5) potentially than Lock
Why would the Seahawks do that?
Do people consider Levis more talented than Lock? Why?
I would imagine JS/PC see it the same way (as me) but time will tell!
.... Oops I forgot to mention that I am in complete agreement with Joe and Huston not going quarterback. There GM is a bit of an odd duck and that seems to be a little bit to high level for the former team prayer leader. Casario has engratiated himself in such a way to the Texans ownership that what he says goes. I could easily be wrong and he is better at his job than I give him credit for.