Witherspoon probably wanted 20.1 million (100%) and the Seahawks likely offered somewhere around 75% (15.075 million). Witherspoon's desire for the money now is understandable] The present value of (3.35 Million (after taxes figure) paid this year as opposed to next is about $280,000. I don't think the Seahawks unwillingness to pay is about their cash flow The Seahawks had a reported 518 million in revenue in 2020 and a present estimated value of 4.4 billion (Forbes) meaning cash flow is not likely much of a problem. Instead, I think it is precedence and the pressure Pete, John and Jodi face from the Billionaire Boy's club commonly known as the NFL owners. The Seahawks are 14th on the list in terms of value meaning that there are 18 teams below them. At the bottom end of that scale cash flow is a lot tighter. While all of the bottom teams in terms of value are not currently losers (Cincinnati is the least valuable franchise in the NFL), over the past 30 years the least valuable teams are also among the perennial losers in the NFL. Meaning these get the majority of top draft picks over time. The pressure for these lower revenue teams is to control year to year costs. One way to do that is to spread out the impact of rookie contracts over multiple years. While teams compete, they also cooperate and being a team player among the owners when it comes to money matters is important. If you are GM or a Coach, the Billionaire Boys club can black ball you both in terms of future hires and current deals. Good will matters. My guess is that Pete and John are not upset at the hold out because when they cave and give Witherspoon 85% to 100 % of his bonus it will helps them explain that they really did not have a choice in order to preserve good will.
I don’t know any details, but usually side with the player. The NFL is ruthless, a player can sign a multi year contract, but anything not guaranteed at signing is totally at the whim of the team. Players get cut all the time to accommodate salary cap issues. Sometimes they resign somewhere, usually for less money, and sometimes their career is over. We’ve grown to accept it and even advocate for it at times. I’ve seen several suggestions that the Hawks release Adams for cap reasons and injury concerns. He literally put his health and well being at risk, lost the injury bet, and will likely lose many millions because of it. When was the last time an owner lost millions because of an injury they suffered while at work.
I know the players make many times what most of us make, but they’re just pawns to the owners and are always one injury away from losing their livelihood.
I assume Dre'mont Jones is going to be on the field a lot, but that everyone else is going to be frequently rotating in and out and around the D-line. Perhaps Reed plays NT on passing downs, but they use Young and/or Faoliu primarily in base D. Maybe Reed is there early in camp because he's the only guy on the roster with any experience there. Because it's the biggest question mark on the roster I expect to see the most rotation and experimentation (and possible free agent signing) at D-line and OLB.
There were 60 great pics of Hawks arriving at camp on the Seahawks site. But I only recognized a few and unless I'm missing something, they were all unnamed. Can anybody name all those players or point out where I can find their names?
With Reed slotted in at nose the splash player some are anticipating seems to be at DE in front of Edwards. Given Huard's view of a different body style than Reed/JonesHarris is Clowney their target? He's not getting $10M again like last year but if his price came down to the $6-7M range, that's a dline splash. Known locker room fit, solid against run n QB pressure.
I was having that same thought because of our familiarity with Clowney. Of the remaining free agents, there are a few DL/edge candidates to choose from and I think this is where they'd likely spend that money.
Jul 27, 2023·edited Jul 27, 2023Liked by Seaside Joe
Definitely not panicing, just somewhat confused. Given the payout of his bonus doesn't affect the cap hit for any of the rookie years (?) I cannot understand why the 'Hawks don't just pay him. Unless that money isn't available, and now i'm questioning the whole financial model of this multi-BILLION dollar franchise.
Could we actually be seeing a, admittedly, strange early sign of ownership change? Why would you pay $20mil for a first year rookie when you know in a year it'll be up to the next guy to do it. But again, $20mil out of what'll be billions in a sale. Just f*ck every billionaire, and hundred millionaire, and really most millionaires. (Fully on the side of Devon. Hold-out dude, get these rich f*cks to pay you every single cent of what they agreed when they drafted you - don't do a Barkley and shaft not only yourself but your fellow players)
Not panicking, but I just can’t believe (and I know you predicted this kind or reaction, Joe) that a young kid that hasn’t touched a football at NFL level yet is causing waves before he starts. What makes it even worse is the obscene money he is getting paid guaranteed! And he wants more. What ever happened to appreciation and being humble?
As Aristotle wisely said, “For reward in accordance with merit balances and preserves friendly relations”.
If you are reading this Mr Whitherspoon, a further word of advise from a living older (& wiser) man, “Pull your head in son”.
Using SSJ’s scenario, Witherspoon’s financial advisors can do a lot with 6M now as opposed to 6M later. It’s not trivial. Anyway, this is business--Witherspoon doesn’t need me to mind his for him.
I don't know any wise quotes that relate to this message, but I am not quick to get mad at Witherspoon. I have no idea that situation, I only know what's been reported which is basically nothing. It could be that I have a 2-minute private conversation with Witherspoon and come out of it going, "Damn! I didn't know THAT! Well, good luck, I support you."
I usually take that approach with any similar situation where we don't know enough information to judge; "could I imagine any situation in which the presumed 'guilty' is 'innocent'? I can neither defend or condemn Witherspoon. I can neither defend nor condemn the Seahawks. It is surely easier to assume that the Seahawks are 'right' because players so rarely get into these holdouts, but it is probably better not to assume. Not just because we don't know, but also because he will eventually sign and this moment will be forgotten, so why leave a trail of blame?
I can't say with any confidence at all, like 0%, that devon witherspoon is selfish, unappreciative, ungrateful, or lacking humility. Not based on a one-day holdout or even a longer holdout.
But I appreciate where you're coming from and why we all wish he was in camp.
I certainly don't want to be asserting myself as Mr. Wisdom or anything. It's just that while this exact scenario doesn't play out often, I do think situations like it are very common.
Like you pointed out too, the front office may be trying to sign someone specific right now to fill that last spot. Could be that they have an understanding with Spoon, but can't put pen to paper until they get the other deal on the books first. Who knows?
Answer: only a handful of people with no reason or obligation to explain the situation to us.
Im liking the related soundtracks DJ Doug. Maybe you should release a Seaside Joe mixed album at the end of each season based on those you’ve posted from here on in.
Which begs the question, when’s the Seaside Joe merch coming I wonder?
Jul 27, 2023·edited Jul 27, 2023Liked by Seaside Joe
#ChallengeAccepted lol--via Spotify!
Almost everything reminds me of a song.
As for Merch--I thought Ken was going to swing a deal for McCall jerseys that we could order as an unofficial/official symbol of the SeaSide Joe team. Plus the mug that is at the top of the page. That too.
Witherspoon probably wanted 20.1 million (100%) and the Seahawks likely offered somewhere around 75% (15.075 million). Witherspoon's desire for the money now is understandable] The present value of (3.35 Million (after taxes figure) paid this year as opposed to next is about $280,000. I don't think the Seahawks unwillingness to pay is about their cash flow The Seahawks had a reported 518 million in revenue in 2020 and a present estimated value of 4.4 billion (Forbes) meaning cash flow is not likely much of a problem. Instead, I think it is precedence and the pressure Pete, John and Jodi face from the Billionaire Boy's club commonly known as the NFL owners. The Seahawks are 14th on the list in terms of value meaning that there are 18 teams below them. At the bottom end of that scale cash flow is a lot tighter. While all of the bottom teams in terms of value are not currently losers (Cincinnati is the least valuable franchise in the NFL), over the past 30 years the least valuable teams are also among the perennial losers in the NFL. Meaning these get the majority of top draft picks over time. The pressure for these lower revenue teams is to control year to year costs. One way to do that is to spread out the impact of rookie contracts over multiple years. While teams compete, they also cooperate and being a team player among the owners when it comes to money matters is important. If you are GM or a Coach, the Billionaire Boys club can black ball you both in terms of future hires and current deals. Good will matters. My guess is that Pete and John are not upset at the hold out because when they cave and give Witherspoon 85% to 100 % of his bonus it will helps them explain that they really did not have a choice in order to preserve good will.
I don’t know any details, but usually side with the player. The NFL is ruthless, a player can sign a multi year contract, but anything not guaranteed at signing is totally at the whim of the team. Players get cut all the time to accommodate salary cap issues. Sometimes they resign somewhere, usually for less money, and sometimes their career is over. We’ve grown to accept it and even advocate for it at times. I’ve seen several suggestions that the Hawks release Adams for cap reasons and injury concerns. He literally put his health and well being at risk, lost the injury bet, and will likely lose many millions because of it. When was the last time an owner lost millions because of an injury they suffered while at work.
I know the players make many times what most of us make, but they’re just pawns to the owners and are always one injury away from losing their livelihood.
I assume Dre'mont Jones is going to be on the field a lot, but that everyone else is going to be frequently rotating in and out and around the D-line. Perhaps Reed plays NT on passing downs, but they use Young and/or Faoliu primarily in base D. Maybe Reed is there early in camp because he's the only guy on the roster with any experience there. Because it's the biggest question mark on the roster I expect to see the most rotation and experimentation (and possible free agent signing) at D-line and OLB.
There were 60 great pics of Hawks arriving at camp on the Seahawks site. But I only recognized a few and unless I'm missing something, they were all unnamed. Can anybody name all those players or point out where I can find their names?
With Reed slotted in at nose the splash player some are anticipating seems to be at DE in front of Edwards. Given Huard's view of a different body style than Reed/JonesHarris is Clowney their target? He's not getting $10M again like last year but if his price came down to the $6-7M range, that's a dline splash. Known locker room fit, solid against run n QB pressure.
I was having that same thought because of our familiarity with Clowney. Of the remaining free agents, there are a few DL/edge candidates to choose from and I think this is where they'd likely spend that money.
Who’s going to remember in October that Witherspoon held out? May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
FINALLY! Something to panic about! :)
Definitely not panicing, just somewhat confused. Given the payout of his bonus doesn't affect the cap hit for any of the rookie years (?) I cannot understand why the 'Hawks don't just pay him. Unless that money isn't available, and now i'm questioning the whole financial model of this multi-BILLION dollar franchise.
Could we actually be seeing a, admittedly, strange early sign of ownership change? Why would you pay $20mil for a first year rookie when you know in a year it'll be up to the next guy to do it. But again, $20mil out of what'll be billions in a sale. Just f*ck every billionaire, and hundred millionaire, and really most millionaires. (Fully on the side of Devon. Hold-out dude, get these rich f*cks to pay you every single cent of what they agreed when they drafted you - don't do a Barkley and shaft not only yourself but your fellow players)
Like Joey Bosa, Witherspoon is holding out because he will register 10.5 sacks his rookie season - but as a CB.
I dunno. Not happy about Witherspoon not reporting.
I'm happy with our CB depth because if we must start Jackson and Brown, I wouldn't worry.
Thanks for calming me down, I was googling “what happens when an nfl draft pick refuses to sign a contract” 😅
Not panicking, but I just can’t believe (and I know you predicted this kind or reaction, Joe) that a young kid that hasn’t touched a football at NFL level yet is causing waves before he starts. What makes it even worse is the obscene money he is getting paid guaranteed! And he wants more. What ever happened to appreciation and being humble?
As Aristotle wisely said, “For reward in accordance with merit balances and preserves friendly relations”.
If you are reading this Mr Whitherspoon, a further word of advise from a living older (& wiser) man, “Pull your head in son”.
Using SSJ’s scenario, Witherspoon’s financial advisors can do a lot with 6M now as opposed to 6M later. It’s not trivial. Anyway, this is business--Witherspoon doesn’t need me to mind his for him.
wise words indeed.
I don't know any wise quotes that relate to this message, but I am not quick to get mad at Witherspoon. I have no idea that situation, I only know what's been reported which is basically nothing. It could be that I have a 2-minute private conversation with Witherspoon and come out of it going, "Damn! I didn't know THAT! Well, good luck, I support you."
I usually take that approach with any similar situation where we don't know enough information to judge; "could I imagine any situation in which the presumed 'guilty' is 'innocent'? I can neither defend or condemn Witherspoon. I can neither defend nor condemn the Seahawks. It is surely easier to assume that the Seahawks are 'right' because players so rarely get into these holdouts, but it is probably better not to assume. Not just because we don't know, but also because he will eventually sign and this moment will be forgotten, so why leave a trail of blame?
I can't say with any confidence at all, like 0%, that devon witherspoon is selfish, unappreciative, ungrateful, or lacking humility. Not based on a one-day holdout or even a longer holdout.
But I appreciate where you're coming from and why we all wish he was in camp.
Yes, fair enough. I’m probably jumping the gun a little without knowing. You have out-wised me oh Sensei. 🫸🫷
I certainly don't want to be asserting myself as Mr. Wisdom or anything. It's just that while this exact scenario doesn't play out often, I do think situations like it are very common.
Like you pointed out too, the front office may be trying to sign someone specific right now to fill that last spot. Could be that they have an understanding with Spoon, but can't put pen to paper until they get the other deal on the books first. Who knows?
Answer: only a handful of people with no reason or obligation to explain the situation to us.
In the summer it is rare to be cold, and we just want Witherspoon to get on the field to play.
We live in a beautiful world.
So, here it is--Don't Panic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWeuUwpEQfs
In the music video, I found the rain to be a realistic touch for Seahawks' games.
Im liking the related soundtracks DJ Doug. Maybe you should release a Seaside Joe mixed album at the end of each season based on those you’ve posted from here on in.
Which begs the question, when’s the Seaside Joe merch coming I wonder?
#ChallengeAccepted lol--via Spotify!
Almost everything reminds me of a song.
As for Merch--I thought Ken was going to swing a deal for McCall jerseys that we could order as an unofficial/official symbol of the SeaSide Joe team. Plus the mug that is at the top of the page. That too.