We're at the point in the draft where most every player will seem controversial because everyone is going to have strengths and weaknesses. I'm fine with this pick. We needed another RB and we took another high-character guy. I hate reaches but don't see this as a reach. Just an educated guess made by smart and savvy football men.
Yup. Don't ask me what motivated the Bronco's front office to agree to such a fleecing. Now we can look forward to another season of rooting against Russ and the men in orange.
For a third rounder I won't get overly excited, but it is something, anyways. I'll bet Pete and John are aware of how much fun the fans had rooting against Denver, and it might be they will intentionally always have a future draft pick from some team, but Denver is spicy.
I'm sure. It's a calculated risk because God only knows if their expectations will be fulfilled, but they paid a premium for a roll of the dice. I've noticed since the Wilson trade, when I began paying attention to the Broncos organization, they're not afraid to trade draft picks or swing for the fences. I don't think it a wise strategy. I didn't like it when the Seahawks did it in the Adams' trade, though I understood it. We had a franchise QB and needed something to propel the team back to real SB contention. It's just not my way. I much prefer the strategy our front office seems to have embraced last year and this. Measured choices and carefully calculated risks. We've had two excellent drafts in a row now with no foolish trades of draft capital.
Kenneth - The book on the Russell Wilson trade has officially closed.
Denver received:
QB Russell Wilson and DT Eyioma Uwazurike
Seattle received:
QB Drew Lock, DE Shelby Harris, TE Noah Fant, LT Charles Cross, Edge Boye Mafa, Edge Tyreke Smith, CB Devon Witherspoon, and Edge Derick Hall.
Seattle also received significant salary relief - exactly how much has become a little muddy since not every player is still on the Seahawks roster and Russell's new contract. Nevertheless, We can likely attribute at least DE Dre'Mont Jones's contract (2/3 of which is 'covered' by cutting Shelby Harris), perhaps it is fair to also attribute the ability to sign Geno's contract as well as to bring Bobby Wagner back...
Clearly Russ was not going to re-sign or extend in Seattle meaning the balance to this trade was 2 years of RW's discontent/drama, then getting from as little as nothing in return to as much as a 3rd-round Comp pick (only if we were a 'net giver' VS 'net receiver' in Free Agency that season.
thanks for the heads up - I saw my mistakes (wrong Denver draft pick as well as I left off Tyreke Smith - Factoring this trade, Not getting pressured into getting a bad QB via free agency or over-drafting a mediocre QB, and winning the 2022 draft...how the EFF did JS Not win GM of the Year?
I am super stoked about the Charbonnet pick, with slight hesitation. I have mentioned countless times in our community that I wanted Charbonnet or Chad Brown. What I liked about both backs but specifically Charbonnet he is big, runs between the tackles well, most importantly he is not afraid to sidestep or deke somebody. I could never remember how to spell his name, and because this is from my phone once I start writing I can't look it up or I loose everything I wrote. Thus I referred to him as the back out of UCLA who we might get in the third. The slight hesitation is because the last draft pick I lobbied this much for the Seahawks to draft was Dee Eskridge and things haven't gone well. Yes I am superstitious haha. Charbonnet is the perfect counter to K9. A bruising runner with soft hands, while Walker lll is a home run hitter with blazing speed and soft hands as well. I can see this combination lining up together in the backfield, where either could run the ball or both split out for a pass. I am very happy Pete values runningbacks because a good one will score double digit TDs. We still may look at free agent RBs, however it might be more likely that Wood and Ford comeback. Who knows for sure. I love the offensive upgrade. Go all the way pick a center and gaurd.
So many people act like not knowing who a player is means they're bad. I've seen so many comments that basically say "Who is this guy? What a waste of a pick, PCJS getting cute again!", as if they've done extensive research on all these players in the draft. I had no idea who Hall was so I looked him up and I actually like the pick, plus, Taylor is about to be a free agent who they may not bring back and they still haven't extended Nwosu and they may not depending on how much he wants. Hall seems like he has great potential and we're about to see if Mafe makes the jump and how Tyreke Smith looks. So while it might seem like we have an overcrowded EDGE room at the moment we may not next season and I really like the potential of the Hall pick.
Charbonnet sounds exactly like who I wanted at RB -- a guy who can block and catch plus he appears to be a decisive, bruising runner. Love it!
Dude is a beast. Does not dance in the hole. Reliable pass blocker. Quality receiver. Great one two punch with Walker, who work hard if wants to stay the one in that punch.
1) Dear God, I love the comments here. So much better than the belligerent/know it all/in your face crap we see elsewhere. If you think I'm wrong it's because you're stupid. I demand PC is fired NOW!!!
2) Yesterday somebody rated each of our day one picks an A+, yet earlier today that same person rated our entire draft a "B" after we drafted two promising players in positions of need and fleeced Denver out of a '24 third round pick. Ya just gotta love the "experts" don't ya?
More less unrelated, but still...
3) Lots of good O-Line guys left on the board,
4) I'm a little (OK, a lot) worried about the interior of the D-Line,
5) Can PC work a little 5th round magic on a Safety project player, please?
After two rounds a couple of things are clear. 1) The Seahawks were not BS when they said they were going to draft BPA. 2) The Seahawks were not BS when they said character was going to mater.
The downsides and upsides are demonstrated in the first two rounds. In the first round the Seahawks passed on the highly rated prospect at a position of need but in favor of a player whose effort/ approach matched the Seahawks and the reason was almost certainly character - work ethic related. The second pick shows the advantage of BPA. The Seahawks had a very good potentially elite player fall to them at 20 because the teams above were drafting for need. I believe the Seahawks were ecstatic because they got two day 1 starters at impact positions. I would not be surprised if Witherspoon and JSN are in the conversation for defensive and offensive rookies of the year. So far so good.
Then the second round happened. When I was mocking this out I believed the Seahawks would likely take Avila/Campbell and Mazi at the top of the second round. They all fit the profile of BPA in the early to mid second round and they all went earlier than expected. So the Seahawks take the BPA and he may end up being better than Anderson but OLB was not a glaring need and he will be sharing time. And then it happens again, and we take a running back who is fantastic and in a different draft could easily have been the first back selected. But we took a running back last year and BPA and character does not feel as good as it did at the beginning of the evening, because the Seahawks still don’t have a guard and still don’t have a DT/N/Linebacker depth. Perhaps the miraculous starter will appear in the 4th/5th round for these positions but it doesn’t feel like the Seahawks checked off the shopping list.
BPA is proven approach with a much better bust rate but it can be painful at first.
You must be enjoying Rd 4, seeing as we picked up a Guard and DN/NT - Cam Young especially fits the Pete mold, realy tough physical player (not technically the best, but more than makes up for it in effort and drive), whilst Bradford slides in nicely to compete for a starting G position as a power specialist and run block specialist.
Filling needs and both being good enough to be considered BPA on the 'Hawks internal boards. Patience is a virtue, and by waiting the 'Hawks have come out of Rd 4 incredibly nicely. It's just very very hard to be patient, especially as a fan...
We're at the point in the draft where most every player will seem controversial because everyone is going to have strengths and weaknesses. I'm fine with this pick. We needed another RB and we took another high-character guy. I hate reaches but don't see this as a reach. Just an educated guess made by smart and savvy football men.
I'm just wondering about the trade with Denver at 83. They moved up 25 spots for a fourth round and a 2024 3rd?
Yup. Don't ask me what motivated the Bronco's front office to agree to such a fleecing. Now we can look forward to another season of rooting against Russ and the men in orange.
For a third rounder I won't get overly excited, but it is something, anyways. I'll bet Pete and John are aware of how much fun the fans had rooting against Denver, and it might be they will intentionally always have a future draft pick from some team, but Denver is spicy.
But how does one get Paton to agree to such a boneheaded trade? Vulcan mind meld?
I have to assume there was someone there (well, Riley Moss) who they badly wanted.
I'm sure. It's a calculated risk because God only knows if their expectations will be fulfilled, but they paid a premium for a roll of the dice. I've noticed since the Wilson trade, when I began paying attention to the Broncos organization, they're not afraid to trade draft picks or swing for the fences. I don't think it a wise strategy. I didn't like it when the Seahawks did it in the Adams' trade, though I understood it. We had a franchise QB and needed something to propel the team back to real SB contention. It's just not my way. I much prefer the strategy our front office seems to have embraced last year and this. Measured choices and carefully calculated risks. We've had two excellent drafts in a row now with no foolish trades of draft capital.
Hey, I got one right! How bout that?!
Nice!
Kenneth - The book on the Russell Wilson trade has officially closed.
Denver received:
QB Russell Wilson and DT Eyioma Uwazurike
Seattle received:
QB Drew Lock, DE Shelby Harris, TE Noah Fant, LT Charles Cross, Edge Boye Mafa, Edge Tyreke Smith, CB Devon Witherspoon, and Edge Derick Hall.
Seattle also received significant salary relief - exactly how much has become a little muddy since not every player is still on the Seahawks roster and Russell's new contract. Nevertheless, We can likely attribute at least DE Dre'Mont Jones's contract (2/3 of which is 'covered' by cutting Shelby Harris), perhaps it is fair to also attribute the ability to sign Geno's contract as well as to bring Bobby Wagner back...
Clearly Russ was not going to re-sign or extend in Seattle meaning the balance to this trade was 2 years of RW's discontent/drama, then getting from as little as nothing in return to as much as a 3rd-round Comp pick (only if we were a 'net giver' VS 'net receiver' in Free Agency that season.
So - did the trade go OK?
Looks like another Seahawk W!
The only problem now is being used to the Hawks getting two 1st's and two 2nd's.
Kenneth Walker was taken with our native 2nd rounder last year. But otherwise, yep.
thanks for the heads up - I saw my mistakes (wrong Denver draft pick as well as I left off Tyreke Smith - Factoring this trade, Not getting pressured into getting a bad QB via free agency or over-drafting a mediocre QB, and winning the 2022 draft...how the EFF did JS Not win GM of the Year?
Love this pick. A great running mate to KW3.
But don't sleep on DeeJay!
Powerful running style that Seattle fans will love. He is a good receiver and a great complement to K-9. He can be a feature back if necessary.
Glad we got a couple starters plus a Deejay to turn it up!
I am super stoked about the Charbonnet pick, with slight hesitation. I have mentioned countless times in our community that I wanted Charbonnet or Chad Brown. What I liked about both backs but specifically Charbonnet he is big, runs between the tackles well, most importantly he is not afraid to sidestep or deke somebody. I could never remember how to spell his name, and because this is from my phone once I start writing I can't look it up or I loose everything I wrote. Thus I referred to him as the back out of UCLA who we might get in the third. The slight hesitation is because the last draft pick I lobbied this much for the Seahawks to draft was Dee Eskridge and things haven't gone well. Yes I am superstitious haha. Charbonnet is the perfect counter to K9. A bruising runner with soft hands, while Walker lll is a home run hitter with blazing speed and soft hands as well. I can see this combination lining up together in the backfield, where either could run the ball or both split out for a pass. I am very happy Pete values runningbacks because a good one will score double digit TDs. We still may look at free agent RBs, however it might be more likely that Wood and Ford comeback. Who knows for sure. I love the offensive upgrade. Go all the way pick a center and gaurd.
I’ll probably refer to Zach as “the back out of LSU.”
Is it really that hard to spell "Zach"? jk
I've seen it spelled, what seems like, dozens of different ways. When I was a kid, there were no Zach's. Just John's Jimmie's, Tom's, and Steve's.
So many people act like not knowing who a player is means they're bad. I've seen so many comments that basically say "Who is this guy? What a waste of a pick, PCJS getting cute again!", as if they've done extensive research on all these players in the draft. I had no idea who Hall was so I looked him up and I actually like the pick, plus, Taylor is about to be a free agent who they may not bring back and they still haven't extended Nwosu and they may not depending on how much he wants. Hall seems like he has great potential and we're about to see if Mafe makes the jump and how Tyreke Smith looks. So while it might seem like we have an overcrowded EDGE room at the moment we may not next season and I really like the potential of the Hall pick.
Charbonnet sounds exactly like who I wanted at RB -- a guy who can block and catch plus he appears to be a decisive, bruising runner. Love it!
Read the LATimes story that Joe posted:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2022-10-19/ucla-running-back-zach-charbonnet
Then decide if someone like that, with 0 fumbles on close to 600 carries UCLA & Michigan (please verify my stats) sounds like someone we would like.
Twitter tears are the tastiest tears. Cry harder hot takers.
Love. It.
Seahawks Twitter can go tweet itself: I'd be shocked if more than 5% of them have ever actually played the game, let alone coached it.
4 RB's went in the 3rd round. Getting Charbonnet when we did was our last chance for a great RB to complement K9.
Also - another 4-year player/starter. Hmmm?
Dude is a beast. Does not dance in the hole. Reliable pass blocker. Quality receiver. Great one two punch with Walker, who work hard if wants to stay the one in that punch.
A couple of things on my mind...
1) Dear God, I love the comments here. So much better than the belligerent/know it all/in your face crap we see elsewhere. If you think I'm wrong it's because you're stupid. I demand PC is fired NOW!!!
2) Yesterday somebody rated each of our day one picks an A+, yet earlier today that same person rated our entire draft a "B" after we drafted two promising players in positions of need and fleeced Denver out of a '24 third round pick. Ya just gotta love the "experts" don't ya?
More less unrelated, but still...
3) Lots of good O-Line guys left on the board,
4) I'm a little (OK, a lot) worried about the interior of the D-Line,
5) Can PC work a little 5th round magic on a Safety project player, please?
Agreed. I'm not in love with the format here, but the people are great.
After two rounds a couple of things are clear. 1) The Seahawks were not BS when they said they were going to draft BPA. 2) The Seahawks were not BS when they said character was going to mater.
The downsides and upsides are demonstrated in the first two rounds. In the first round the Seahawks passed on the highly rated prospect at a position of need but in favor of a player whose effort/ approach matched the Seahawks and the reason was almost certainly character - work ethic related. The second pick shows the advantage of BPA. The Seahawks had a very good potentially elite player fall to them at 20 because the teams above were drafting for need. I believe the Seahawks were ecstatic because they got two day 1 starters at impact positions. I would not be surprised if Witherspoon and JSN are in the conversation for defensive and offensive rookies of the year. So far so good.
Then the second round happened. When I was mocking this out I believed the Seahawks would likely take Avila/Campbell and Mazi at the top of the second round. They all fit the profile of BPA in the early to mid second round and they all went earlier than expected. So the Seahawks take the BPA and he may end up being better than Anderson but OLB was not a glaring need and he will be sharing time. And then it happens again, and we take a running back who is fantastic and in a different draft could easily have been the first back selected. But we took a running back last year and BPA and character does not feel as good as it did at the beginning of the evening, because the Seahawks still don’t have a guard and still don’t have a DT/N/Linebacker depth. Perhaps the miraculous starter will appear in the 4th/5th round for these positions but it doesn’t feel like the Seahawks checked off the shopping list.
BPA is proven approach with a much better bust rate but it can be painful at first.
You must be enjoying Rd 4, seeing as we picked up a Guard and DN/NT - Cam Young especially fits the Pete mold, realy tough physical player (not technically the best, but more than makes up for it in effort and drive), whilst Bradford slides in nicely to compete for a starting G position as a power specialist and run block specialist.
Filling needs and both being good enough to be considered BPA on the 'Hawks internal boards. Patience is a virtue, and by waiting the 'Hawks have come out of Rd 4 incredibly nicely. It's just very very hard to be patient, especially as a fan...