Oluwatimi is super value here, given how high Scruggs and other Centers have gone so far. Mike Morris I'm not sure I see it, but that's why I am here and not in Kansas City.
And Oluwatimi! Hell yeah, love him as a pick! Good competition for Brown as Centre, could be moved to Guard. Love his physicality. With Mike Morris as another DLineman, Michigan D players are usually worth drafting. Mike has better tape than testing, so I have hope we can coach him up into a good run stopping player.
My english speaking mouth just doesn't know what to do with Nj... Do we just drop one or the other of those two letters or stick an "a" between them? Is it Nigba, Jigba, or Najigba? Thanks.
Thank you. iN-jig-ba is a fourth option I wasn't ready for.
This just in from the Wow, Imagine That Department:
I was kind of (am still...) hoping to draft Ade-Ade because I can pronounce that much of his name. It seems that our Seahawks just drafted Olusegun Oluwatimi in the fifth round. Who knew there would be another Three Letter-Three Letter guy out there. Olu-Olu is our new right guard.
EDIT: After a lengthy 15, maybe even 20 second deep dive on the internet it seems that my new fav guy, Olu-Olu is actually a center. Sigh.
1) Dear God, I love the comments here. So much better than the belligerent/know it all/in your face crap we see elsewhere. If you think I'm wrong it's because you're stupid. I demand PC is fired NOW!!!
2) Yesterday somebody rated each of our day one picks an A+, yet earlier today that same person rated our entire draft a "B" after we drafted two promising players in positions of need and fleeced Denver out of a '24 third round pick. Ya just gotta love the "experts" don't ya?
More less unrelated, but still...
3) Lots of good O-Line guys left on the board,
4) I'm a little (OK, a lot) worried about the interior of the D-Line,
5) Can PC work a little 5th round magic on a Safety project player, please?
After two rounds a couple of things are clear. 1) The Seahawks were not BS when they said they were going to draft BPA. 2) The Seahawks were not BS when they said character was going to mater.
The downsides and upsides are demonstrated in the first two rounds. In the first round the Seahawks passed on the highly rated prospect at a position of need but in favor of a player whose effort/ approach matched the Seahawks and the reason was almost certainly character - work ethic related. The second pick shows the advantage of BPA. The Seahawks had a very good potentially elite player fall to them at 20 because the teams above were drafting for need. I believe the Seahawks were ecstatic because they got two day 1 starters at impact positions. I would not be surprised if Witherspoon and JSN are in the conversation for defensive and offensive rookies of the year. So far so good.
Then the second round happened. When I was mocking this out I believed the Seahawks would likely take Avila/Campbell and Mazi at the top of the second round. They all fit the profile of BPA in the early to mid second round and they all went earlier than expected. So the Seahawks take the BPA and he may end up being better than Anderson but OLB was not a glaring need and he will be sharing time. And then it happens again, and we take a running back who is fantastic and in a different draft could easily have been the first back selected. But we took a running back last year and BPA and character does not feel as good as it did at the beginning of the evening, because the Seahawks still don’t have a guard and still don’t have a DT/N/Linebacker depth. Perhaps the miraculous starter will appear in the 4th/5th round for these positions but it doesn’t feel like the Seahawks checked off the shopping list.
BPA is proven approach with a much better bust rate but it can be painful at first.
You must be enjoying Rd 4, seeing as we picked up a Guard and DN/NT - Cam Young especially fits the Pete mold, realy tough physical player (not technically the best, but more than makes up for it in effort and drive), whilst Bradford slides in nicely to compete for a starting G position as a power specialist and run block specialist.
Filling needs and both being good enough to be considered BPA on the 'Hawks internal boards. Patience is a virtue, and by waiting the 'Hawks have come out of Rd 4 incredibly nicely. It's just very very hard to be patient, especially as a fan...
The barbarians are at the "Twitter Gates" The RB class this year is limited after about 5 or 6 guys. Seattle liked Charbonnet for his skill set and his character/leadership qualities. RB injuries have decimated Seattle for the past years (more than one), so depth at #2 is imperative. That is unless you want the "blue light special of the week" toting the rock. Seattle understands that RB depth is a must. SF has show that for a number of years in the West. Geno now has another option on the ground and air with ZC. He's a different talent that K9 and affords Seattle a change of pace and more options in scheme.
Seattle is building their roster and their next group of team leaders. The first four picks sure seems to enhance that perspective. Don't be surprised if Seattle doesn't draft one more RB before the draft is done. At the very least signing a vet with yet another skill set.
Seattle has decided to take the best player available it appears and has plugged needed holes in their roster. Seattle will deal with the trenches today.
Geno now has two shiney new toys to make Seattle's offense go. I beleive that there are still some options at IOL to help build this year into next and the DT position is good for a least one 4th round pick and a phone call to Woods/Ford. I expect Seattle to add LB depth and Safety today as well. Seattle did not draft LB or Safety last year so I expect that gets addressed today. Nobody seemed to get upset when Smith and Coleman where in the backfield for Atlanta. Today's NFL doesn't depend on just one feature back anymore. Quality depth for a 17 game regular season is going to be the norm in the future, and not the exception.
I’m seeing draft critics questioning the Charbonnet pick as an unnecessary reach. Therefore I expect him to be a candidate for offensive rookie of the year, along with JSN.
Hall, such a classic 'Hawks/Pete pick. Should slide nicely into the Edge rotation, get a year under his belt, and allow us to really evaluate the futures of Taylor and Nuwosu. Not a flashy pick, just a really solid one.
Charbonnet, ok cool! Love him as a RB2 behind KW3. Hadn't expected he'd last to #52, so this really feels like PC/JS standing by their board and just going BPA whoever that is. Will upset a lot of fans and analysists, but we needed an RB2 desperately. I've said it before, without a Run Game Geno will struggle (as evidenced) so this fills in that gap. PC/JS seem fully bought in on Geno, giving him plenty of support.
#83, what a trade! The Broncos giving up a '24 3rd! Obviously PC/JS were looking at their board, seeing their preferences here already gone (as evidenced by their press chatter late last night) and then the Broncos want to not just overpay, but overpay by like two whole rounds. Slam dunk, take the trade, be very very happy.
On to Day 3. They did have Ade Ade in for a visit, but this almost feels too obvious. I'm going to watch closely what happens with Braeden Daniels & Jordan McFadden, two OLine options we also had visit and that are more established Guards rather than Centres. DB wise there's a ton of options and i'd still love to pick one and open up that flex option with Diggs/Adams contracts next year. Final of the visit names i'm watching is Nick Herbig as Edge/OLB. Beyond the vists i'm looking at Jaquelin Roy as a DT and Jalen Redmond. Henry To'oTo'o is a personal love and still there, would be a good MLB pick-up. We've moved past the players who'd be expected to start, but we can get excellent rotation options and solidify our depth and future coverage.
PC/JS have nailed things so far. I'm very happy to stick with it and just see what happens.
Just had an old Vince Lombardi quote rumbling through my head this morning thinking about our draft. I’ve loved all of our picks so far except the one we didn’t make, but, I was hoping for a few more 6’5”, 315 lbs men over more 6’3”, 255 lbs types. Do we really have 8 EDGE players?
I really like Charbonnet the runner, but not as a R2 pick for the Hawks. There are parts of his game, specifically the power, vision and tackle-breaking, which perfectly compliment K9 and are precisely the attributes I was hoping the Hawks would add to the position group. However, his biggest weakness is in pass-pro, which is also Walker's biggest weakness. I preferred Roschon Johnson, who is still available, for those reasons.
I thought Charbonnet was the best fit in the draft for what Pete and John like, outside Bijan, and the 3rd best back. I didn't think he was on the table after not getting an additional 2nd round pick via trade back in the 1st round. I think he's going to be a good pick. I'm still hopeful they get Ade Ade. A two round drop should be motivating, and I still think he could be the steal of the draft. I'd be trading up with Chicago to ensure it happens. He's the last blue chip 3-4 end prospect on the board. A 6th round pick should get it done for that move up. My favourite players remaining: Adeboware Adetomiwa, Luke Wypler, Jon Gaines II, Moro Ojomo, Owen Pappoe, Zach Kuntz, Braden Daniels, Chandler Zavala, and Anthony Bradford. You may have guessed I'm a bit of a traits guy.
I can see the Hawks get aggressive tomorrow and move up for some early 4th round picks. I believe guys like Ade Ade, DTR, Wypler and Gervon Dexter are all sitting there waiting to be picked.
They will pick up a big nose tackle later. They.may like Ford or Mone better than the remaining draftees! So far an excellent draft! Rebuilding the Legion of Boom.
I don't fault them taking a RB, I expected it, I just wish they'd spent this particular draft pick on a different position, there were quite a few BPA options I think at that point in the draft and quite a few perfectly good RBs to be had later. I'm sure Charbonett will be great but now he kinda has to really show up. I don't really feel like the thought process they used yesterday has applied quite the same today, but maybe it does on their terms and that's just what it is. I probably don't really know shit. Anyway they've made their selections, I hope whatever further they've got planned works out great!
Oluwatimi is super value here, given how high Scruggs and other Centers have gone so far. Mike Morris I'm not sure I see it, but that's why I am here and not in Kansas City.
And Oluwatimi! Hell yeah, love him as a pick! Good competition for Brown as Centre, could be moved to Guard. Love his physicality. With Mike Morris as another DLineman, Michigan D players are usually worth drafting. Mike has better tape than testing, so I have hope we can coach him up into a good run stopping player.
One more thing...
How do we pronounce Njigba?
My english speaking mouth just doesn't know what to do with Nj... Do we just drop one or the other of those two letters or stick an "a" between them? Is it Nigba, Jigba, or Najigba? Thanks.
It's like you'd pronounce Nduja (sausage). iN-do-ja. iN-jig-buh. Nothing gets dropped.
Or you shortcut it and just call him JSN. But it's a good question and one I was definitely googling and checking on Friday!
Thank you. iN-jig-ba is a fourth option I wasn't ready for.
This just in from the Wow, Imagine That Department:
I was kind of (am still...) hoping to draft Ade-Ade because I can pronounce that much of his name. It seems that our Seahawks just drafted Olusegun Oluwatimi in the fifth round. Who knew there would be another Three Letter-Three Letter guy out there. Olu-Olu is our new right guard.
EDIT: After a lengthy 15, maybe even 20 second deep dive on the internet it seems that my new fav guy, Olu-Olu is actually a center. Sigh.
A couple of things on my mind...
1) Dear God, I love the comments here. So much better than the belligerent/know it all/in your face crap we see elsewhere. If you think I'm wrong it's because you're stupid. I demand PC is fired NOW!!!
2) Yesterday somebody rated each of our day one picks an A+, yet earlier today that same person rated our entire draft a "B" after we drafted two promising players in positions of need and fleeced Denver out of a '24 third round pick. Ya just gotta love the "experts" don't ya?
More less unrelated, but still...
3) Lots of good O-Line guys left on the board,
4) I'm a little (OK, a lot) worried about the interior of the D-Line,
5) Can PC work a little 5th round magic on a Safety project player, please?
Agreed. I'm not in love with the format here, but the people are great.
After two rounds a couple of things are clear. 1) The Seahawks were not BS when they said they were going to draft BPA. 2) The Seahawks were not BS when they said character was going to mater.
The downsides and upsides are demonstrated in the first two rounds. In the first round the Seahawks passed on the highly rated prospect at a position of need but in favor of a player whose effort/ approach matched the Seahawks and the reason was almost certainly character - work ethic related. The second pick shows the advantage of BPA. The Seahawks had a very good potentially elite player fall to them at 20 because the teams above were drafting for need. I believe the Seahawks were ecstatic because they got two day 1 starters at impact positions. I would not be surprised if Witherspoon and JSN are in the conversation for defensive and offensive rookies of the year. So far so good.
Then the second round happened. When I was mocking this out I believed the Seahawks would likely take Avila/Campbell and Mazi at the top of the second round. They all fit the profile of BPA in the early to mid second round and they all went earlier than expected. So the Seahawks take the BPA and he may end up being better than Anderson but OLB was not a glaring need and he will be sharing time. And then it happens again, and we take a running back who is fantastic and in a different draft could easily have been the first back selected. But we took a running back last year and BPA and character does not feel as good as it did at the beginning of the evening, because the Seahawks still don’t have a guard and still don’t have a DT/N/Linebacker depth. Perhaps the miraculous starter will appear in the 4th/5th round for these positions but it doesn’t feel like the Seahawks checked off the shopping list.
BPA is proven approach with a much better bust rate but it can be painful at first.
You must be enjoying Rd 4, seeing as we picked up a Guard and DN/NT - Cam Young especially fits the Pete mold, realy tough physical player (not technically the best, but more than makes up for it in effort and drive), whilst Bradford slides in nicely to compete for a starting G position as a power specialist and run block specialist.
Filling needs and both being good enough to be considered BPA on the 'Hawks internal boards. Patience is a virtue, and by waiting the 'Hawks have come out of Rd 4 incredibly nicely. It's just very very hard to be patient, especially as a fan...
The barbarians are at the "Twitter Gates" The RB class this year is limited after about 5 or 6 guys. Seattle liked Charbonnet for his skill set and his character/leadership qualities. RB injuries have decimated Seattle for the past years (more than one), so depth at #2 is imperative. That is unless you want the "blue light special of the week" toting the rock. Seattle understands that RB depth is a must. SF has show that for a number of years in the West. Geno now has another option on the ground and air with ZC. He's a different talent that K9 and affords Seattle a change of pace and more options in scheme.
Seattle is building their roster and their next group of team leaders. The first four picks sure seems to enhance that perspective. Don't be surprised if Seattle doesn't draft one more RB before the draft is done. At the very least signing a vet with yet another skill set.
Seattle has decided to take the best player available it appears and has plugged needed holes in their roster. Seattle will deal with the trenches today.
Geno now has two shiney new toys to make Seattle's offense go. I beleive that there are still some options at IOL to help build this year into next and the DT position is good for a least one 4th round pick and a phone call to Woods/Ford. I expect Seattle to add LB depth and Safety today as well. Seattle did not draft LB or Safety last year so I expect that gets addressed today. Nobody seemed to get upset when Smith and Coleman where in the backfield for Atlanta. Today's NFL doesn't depend on just one feature back anymore. Quality depth for a 17 game regular season is going to be the norm in the future, and not the exception.
I’m seeing draft critics questioning the Charbonnet pick as an unnecessary reach. Therefore I expect him to be a candidate for offensive rookie of the year, along with JSN.
Hall, such a classic 'Hawks/Pete pick. Should slide nicely into the Edge rotation, get a year under his belt, and allow us to really evaluate the futures of Taylor and Nuwosu. Not a flashy pick, just a really solid one.
Charbonnet, ok cool! Love him as a RB2 behind KW3. Hadn't expected he'd last to #52, so this really feels like PC/JS standing by their board and just going BPA whoever that is. Will upset a lot of fans and analysists, but we needed an RB2 desperately. I've said it before, without a Run Game Geno will struggle (as evidenced) so this fills in that gap. PC/JS seem fully bought in on Geno, giving him plenty of support.
#83, what a trade! The Broncos giving up a '24 3rd! Obviously PC/JS were looking at their board, seeing their preferences here already gone (as evidenced by their press chatter late last night) and then the Broncos want to not just overpay, but overpay by like two whole rounds. Slam dunk, take the trade, be very very happy.
On to Day 3. They did have Ade Ade in for a visit, but this almost feels too obvious. I'm going to watch closely what happens with Braeden Daniels & Jordan McFadden, two OLine options we also had visit and that are more established Guards rather than Centres. DB wise there's a ton of options and i'd still love to pick one and open up that flex option with Diggs/Adams contracts next year. Final of the visit names i'm watching is Nick Herbig as Edge/OLB. Beyond the vists i'm looking at Jaquelin Roy as a DT and Jalen Redmond. Henry To'oTo'o is a personal love and still there, would be a good MLB pick-up. We've moved past the players who'd be expected to start, but we can get excellent rotation options and solidify our depth and future coverage.
PC/JS have nailed things so far. I'm very happy to stick with it and just see what happens.
“What the hell’s going on out there”?
Just had an old Vince Lombardi quote rumbling through my head this morning thinking about our draft. I’ve loved all of our picks so far except the one we didn’t make, but, I was hoping for a few more 6’5”, 315 lbs men over more 6’3”, 255 lbs types. Do we really have 8 EDGE players?
I really like Charbonnet the runner, but not as a R2 pick for the Hawks. There are parts of his game, specifically the power, vision and tackle-breaking, which perfectly compliment K9 and are precisely the attributes I was hoping the Hawks would add to the position group. However, his biggest weakness is in pass-pro, which is also Walker's biggest weakness. I preferred Roschon Johnson, who is still available, for those reasons.
I get what your saying and I even agree to a point, but that's pretty small potatoes.
Oh yeah, I'm absolutely splitting hairs
I thought Charbonnet was the best fit in the draft for what Pete and John like, outside Bijan, and the 3rd best back. I didn't think he was on the table after not getting an additional 2nd round pick via trade back in the 1st round. I think he's going to be a good pick. I'm still hopeful they get Ade Ade. A two round drop should be motivating, and I still think he could be the steal of the draft. I'd be trading up with Chicago to ensure it happens. He's the last blue chip 3-4 end prospect on the board. A 6th round pick should get it done for that move up. My favourite players remaining: Adeboware Adetomiwa, Luke Wypler, Jon Gaines II, Moro Ojomo, Owen Pappoe, Zach Kuntz, Braden Daniels, Chandler Zavala, and Anthony Bradford. You may have guessed I'm a bit of a traits guy.
I can pronounce Ade-Ade, I'd be all good with that pick.
I can see the Hawks get aggressive tomorrow and move up for some early 4th round picks. I believe guys like Ade Ade, DTR, Wypler and Gervon Dexter are all sitting there waiting to be picked.
We trading with the Bears to get Dexter off them? (He went #53, right after we took Charbonnet)
I think Seattle will add another RB in the 5th or sixth
They will pick up a big nose tackle later. They.may like Ford or Mone better than the remaining draftees! So far an excellent draft! Rebuilding the Legion of Boom.
That's a good point that I keep forgetting. It doesn't matter who the best player left on the board is if he's not as good a player you already have.
I don't fault them taking a RB, I expected it, I just wish they'd spent this particular draft pick on a different position, there were quite a few BPA options I think at that point in the draft and quite a few perfectly good RBs to be had later. I'm sure Charbonett will be great but now he kinda has to really show up. I don't really feel like the thought process they used yesterday has applied quite the same today, but maybe it does on their terms and that's just what it is. I probably don't really know shit. Anyway they've made their selections, I hope whatever further they've got planned works out great!
4 RB's went in the 3rd round. Getting Charbonnet when we did was our last chance for a great RB to complement K9.