Brilliant! Great analysis. I was kinda sorta feeling this but hadn't rationalized or verbalized it, which is why Kenny gets paid to analyze and write and I don't.
This has been my feeling all year. Geno is a great story and he's made this season far more enjoyable than we had any reason to expect. But the Seahawks aren't ready to financially commit long-term to any veteran QB. There are work arounds and options for team-building around a big QB contract, but it becomes prohibitive to future success beyond a year or two at most. We must be on the brink of greatness when that kind of commitment to QB is made, or find a QBOTF through the draft. It's not about Geno or how much he is worth, it's about the rest of the roster at this point.
I am fine with the non-exclusive franchise tag approach, or alternatively we could just let Geno go and draft a Purdy good QB with the last pick of the draft.
Honestly if a team can win with the last PLAYER picked in the draft if the rest of the team is very good why on Earth does any team pay a quarter of a Billion $$ for the services of a RW3?
Every day-after the Game offers the Same thing...OVER-Reaction. Yes, we all hoped our beloved Seahawks could manage to pull out a victory against our division rivals. This rival has drafted very well and has collected at least 5 Pro-Bowl talents on Defense.
As in another 4 on Offense and you have a Legit team to hoist the Lombardi trophy this season. Do you thing that D can make times difficult on Philly, KC, Buffalo or even our lofty Seahawks? Absolutely they can. This team's build and chemistry bodes well for play in December/January and quite possibly February.
Assuming we had what it takes to teach them a lesson as payment for shutting out our offense earlier in the year is only a misrepresentation...an alternate truth or what have you.
I am Not fond of the idea of over-paying Geno...and Not because he has Sucked (he hasn't). I simply feel our roster building has more to go. That money is needed elsewhere. A High draft pick on a QB? Or better yet trade several high picks, right? Hell No!
We Must have picks for building our roster. After watching last night, do you think we are one high pick rookie QB away from the promised land? Nope - we are not. We are 2 Interior OL away AND a premium back-up RB AND a steady/reliable third WR AND 2 absolute Studs on the DL AND quality depth at LB AND reliable Strong Safety...after these are in place, a 'camp arm' QB (like a 3rd-string Brock Purdy type) might even be enough.
Is that assessment an over-reaction? Nope. The team we played last night has All those things plus a culture where even a 3 yard gain is Too much to give up! As our Marshawn so aptly said 'We gotta lotta Dogs.' Until we gotta lotta Dogs, we gotta look after our mentals and we gotta look after our chicken and get us some of them dogs. Word.
Geno is not a franchise QB. How often will the Hawks have a # 2 or 3 draft pick with the opportunity to get one of the top QBs available?
A long term contract for Geno is insane. Hope another team signs him. Lock can be the bridge until the rookie is ready, or get Wilson cheaply from the Jets.
I like your thinking. I want to know how much it costs for an exclusive rights franchise tag on a QB? Then I can decide whether I think a two year contract will cost, and other considerations. Here's what I think: Geno loves what he has got here. He probably doesn't want to go anywhere. He knows a massive contract to a QB can make a man rich, but can also create a situation like Denver/Wilson. And that applies to all the mid-tier QB's with substantial contracts. Much of this conforms to what you are saying.
I think Geno may just accept a two year 50 million dollar contract with only 40 guaranteed. And maybe one of those extra throw away years for the Hawks benefit in stretching out the Cap hit etc. But this figure is dependent on what the non-exclusive rights franchise tag for a QB costs. I think Geno wants to stay and if he is willing to take less right now, but more guaranteed, he will be a great transition and mentor for whoever we draft this year or next year.
Grayson McCall is maybe just a tiny bit the motivator for your position, Kenneth. And mine too, since you have me brainwashed that McCall is the next Joe Montana, but even better. That is who he reminds me of when I watch him play. Maybe you can link in your home page a Grayson McCall temple? Filled with memorabilia and links to videos of entire games or composites or anything. Anyways, just an idea.
This was a very nicely thought out article. But we "regular joes" here know that getting Greyson McCall onto the Hawks roster is your dream scenario that overshadows everything in your Seahawks fan(atic).
I can not say I don't agree with you. If I thought you were wrong I would tell you and explain my nfeelings. Best case scenario two teams want him, let the bidding begin. I also would not be disappointed with two years $55 million, $30 million garunteed.
I pretty much agree. I’m still not convinced of Geno as a super QB. He’s ok, not super. Take a chance on drafting another QB and up the ante in the QB competition next year, then re-evaluate in 2024.
Also for next season, maybe a new defensive coaching crew would help the team as well.
After last night's game my entire outlook on qbs radically shifted. Particularly when it comes to the draft. Just watching both Geno and McGillicutty (was that his name?), and with Russ's performance this year in view, it just struck me as so clear that, while qbs certainly differ in their strengths and weaknesses, none of it... like NONE OF IT matters if the O-line can't protect.
If some kid is good enough to make it onto a damn nfl team, they are a pretty freakishly good athlete. And if you give that athlete a bunch of time to throw to a slew of other freakishly good athletes he is going to be able to deliver.
You just gotta go out and draft or trade for great O-line players, who, even if they are paid well, are cheaper than top $ qbs. Also great D-line players who can fuck up the plans of all the teams who have blown all their draft capital and/or cap on the hero qb who is going to make their "team" great (see Denver).
I'm probs totally wrong, what the hell do i know. But it sure doesn't feel like it after watching that shit last night
I really like the way Geno plays and he would have been perfect for the 2013 Seahawks. Imagine how good Geno would be in San Francisco. Unfortunately, we're not the Niners and won't be for a couple of years. Equally as untimely, there's only one QB in this draft that warrants a top ten pick and Bryce Young will be a Houston Texan. Drew Lock may be our QB next year.
Let's face it, Diggs is good, just not good enough. If we're going to use Adams as our x-factor that plays in the box we need a reliable, instinctive, and fast free safety and we can't afford to pour more money into that bucket. The answer is Brian Branch or Kelee Ringo; Branch is my favorite but Ringo has that speed. Diggs moves to nickel which gives us an additonal guy against the run and matches up well with TEs. We might have to use our second first round pick to get Branch. I still like Jalen Carter but I rather trade down and pick up a another second round pick.
Positions I'm looking for:
DE (2) - Gap penetrators that are big enough to anchor against the run. Ex. Brian Breese
FS - Fast enough to play single high safety, consitent tackler. Ex. Earl Thomas
Rush linebacker - Can rush and contain. Ex. Uchenna Nwosu
IOL - Coverage skills are required. Ex. Fred Warner
C - Big guy with lateral quickness. Ex. Creed Humphrey
G- Mauler to play left guard. Ex. Steve Hutchinson
WR - Can create separation, able to run after catch, big enough to run block. Ex. Cooper Kupp
The only part of your suggestion that scares me is getting stuck with Geno on a one year $32M deal. Let's assume we resign Lock for $3M or so and then a rookie according to the draft scale. I'd not want Geno to wind up with the inside track simply because we're overpaying the guy.
Denver's last game finally showcased what makes Russell Wilson special. Good to see he's still capable of carrying a team on his back. No doubt helps that they stopped asking him to be someone he's not. If he can play like that going forward, Denver could wind up satisfied with the trade.
Who are the possible takers for Geno? I see maybe the Jets and Giants, possibly the Commanders and Patriots. The Ravens, if Jackson moves on. The other teams either have a QB, are unlikely to see Geno as much of an upgrade, or are bad.
That the 3-4 defense has never worked this season and the 4-3 has worked extremely well seems like the kind of head-slapping objective evidence that should tell them exactly what to do. .... and now I'm hip to the same observation regarding the offense and the use of Tight Ends. When we were winning THIS SEASON, we primarily used the 4-3 Defense (old) and a 3 Tight End set on offense (new). Starting in Germany the 3TE set has consistently gotten called less as the season has gone on, whereas when we ran it Geno shined and we won games. I understand that no game plan can run one offensive look the entire time and I'm talking percentages here, but as of Mid-November we ran 3 tight ends more than any team in the NFL. That look hasn't been called in the last month anywhere near the same consistency as before. Dissly's number hasn't been called at all. Fant is a gem, and actually The Big Cheese-The Pusher-Colby Parkinson is my favorite current Seahawk. But all biases aside I'm standing in the same amazement that we had a scheme on offense that worked outstandingly this year that we have abandoned, as well as one on defense. I am squarely in the camp of blaming the schemes, not the players.
Brilliant! Great analysis. I was kinda sorta feeling this but hadn't rationalized or verbalized it, which is why Kenny gets paid to analyze and write and I don't.
This has been my feeling all year. Geno is a great story and he's made this season far more enjoyable than we had any reason to expect. But the Seahawks aren't ready to financially commit long-term to any veteran QB. There are work arounds and options for team-building around a big QB contract, but it becomes prohibitive to future success beyond a year or two at most. We must be on the brink of greatness when that kind of commitment to QB is made, or find a QBOTF through the draft. It's not about Geno or how much he is worth, it's about the rest of the roster at this point.
I am fine with the non-exclusive franchise tag approach, or alternatively we could just let Geno go and draft a Purdy good QB with the last pick of the draft.
Honestly if a team can win with the last PLAYER picked in the draft if the rest of the team is very good why on Earth does any team pay a quarter of a Billion $$ for the services of a RW3?
Every day-after the Game offers the Same thing...OVER-Reaction. Yes, we all hoped our beloved Seahawks could manage to pull out a victory against our division rivals. This rival has drafted very well and has collected at least 5 Pro-Bowl talents on Defense.
As in another 4 on Offense and you have a Legit team to hoist the Lombardi trophy this season. Do you thing that D can make times difficult on Philly, KC, Buffalo or even our lofty Seahawks? Absolutely they can. This team's build and chemistry bodes well for play in December/January and quite possibly February.
Assuming we had what it takes to teach them a lesson as payment for shutting out our offense earlier in the year is only a misrepresentation...an alternate truth or what have you.
I am Not fond of the idea of over-paying Geno...and Not because he has Sucked (he hasn't). I simply feel our roster building has more to go. That money is needed elsewhere. A High draft pick on a QB? Or better yet trade several high picks, right? Hell No!
We Must have picks for building our roster. After watching last night, do you think we are one high pick rookie QB away from the promised land? Nope - we are not. We are 2 Interior OL away AND a premium back-up RB AND a steady/reliable third WR AND 2 absolute Studs on the DL AND quality depth at LB AND reliable Strong Safety...after these are in place, a 'camp arm' QB (like a 3rd-string Brock Purdy type) might even be enough.
Is that assessment an over-reaction? Nope. The team we played last night has All those things plus a culture where even a 3 yard gain is Too much to give up! As our Marshawn so aptly said 'We gotta lotta Dogs.' Until we gotta lotta Dogs, we gotta look after our mentals and we gotta look after our chicken and get us some of them dogs. Word.
Geno is not a franchise QB. How often will the Hawks have a # 2 or 3 draft pick with the opportunity to get one of the top QBs available?
A long term contract for Geno is insane. Hope another team signs him. Lock can be the bridge until the rookie is ready, or get Wilson cheaply from the Jets.
I like your thinking. I want to know how much it costs for an exclusive rights franchise tag on a QB? Then I can decide whether I think a two year contract will cost, and other considerations. Here's what I think: Geno loves what he has got here. He probably doesn't want to go anywhere. He knows a massive contract to a QB can make a man rich, but can also create a situation like Denver/Wilson. And that applies to all the mid-tier QB's with substantial contracts. Much of this conforms to what you are saying.
I think Geno may just accept a two year 50 million dollar contract with only 40 guaranteed. And maybe one of those extra throw away years for the Hawks benefit in stretching out the Cap hit etc. But this figure is dependent on what the non-exclusive rights franchise tag for a QB costs. I think Geno wants to stay and if he is willing to take less right now, but more guaranteed, he will be a great transition and mentor for whoever we draft this year or next year.
Grayson McCall is maybe just a tiny bit the motivator for your position, Kenneth. And mine too, since you have me brainwashed that McCall is the next Joe Montana, but even better. That is who he reminds me of when I watch him play. Maybe you can link in your home page a Grayson McCall temple? Filled with memorabilia and links to videos of entire games or composites or anything. Anyways, just an idea.
This was a very nicely thought out article. But we "regular joes" here know that getting Greyson McCall onto the Hawks roster is your dream scenario that overshadows everything in your Seahawks fan(atic).
I can not say I don't agree with you. If I thought you were wrong I would tell you and explain my nfeelings. Best case scenario two teams want him, let the bidding begin. I also would not be disappointed with two years $55 million, $30 million garunteed.
I pretty much agree. I’m still not convinced of Geno as a super QB. He’s ok, not super. Take a chance on drafting another QB and up the ante in the QB competition next year, then re-evaluate in 2024.
Also for next season, maybe a new defensive coaching crew would help the team as well.
Very strategic. Maybe too rational for the internets though.
I like your idea a lot. Makes a ton of sense at this point.
P.S. I will be posting your articles on Post (copy & paste) until you get an account there. I hope you don't mind. Go Hawks!
Appreciate your analysis as always, Ken!
After last night's game my entire outlook on qbs radically shifted. Particularly when it comes to the draft. Just watching both Geno and McGillicutty (was that his name?), and with Russ's performance this year in view, it just struck me as so clear that, while qbs certainly differ in their strengths and weaknesses, none of it... like NONE OF IT matters if the O-line can't protect.
If some kid is good enough to make it onto a damn nfl team, they are a pretty freakishly good athlete. And if you give that athlete a bunch of time to throw to a slew of other freakishly good athletes he is going to be able to deliver.
You just gotta go out and draft or trade for great O-line players, who, even if they are paid well, are cheaper than top $ qbs. Also great D-line players who can fuck up the plans of all the teams who have blown all their draft capital and/or cap on the hero qb who is going to make their "team" great (see Denver).
I'm probs totally wrong, what the hell do i know. But it sure doesn't feel like it after watching that shit last night
I really like the way Geno plays and he would have been perfect for the 2013 Seahawks. Imagine how good Geno would be in San Francisco. Unfortunately, we're not the Niners and won't be for a couple of years. Equally as untimely, there's only one QB in this draft that warrants a top ten pick and Bryce Young will be a Houston Texan. Drew Lock may be our QB next year.
Let's face it, Diggs is good, just not good enough. If we're going to use Adams as our x-factor that plays in the box we need a reliable, instinctive, and fast free safety and we can't afford to pour more money into that bucket. The answer is Brian Branch or Kelee Ringo; Branch is my favorite but Ringo has that speed. Diggs moves to nickel which gives us an additonal guy against the run and matches up well with TEs. We might have to use our second first round pick to get Branch. I still like Jalen Carter but I rather trade down and pick up a another second round pick.
Positions I'm looking for:
DE (2) - Gap penetrators that are big enough to anchor against the run. Ex. Brian Breese
FS - Fast enough to play single high safety, consitent tackler. Ex. Earl Thomas
Rush linebacker - Can rush and contain. Ex. Uchenna Nwosu
IOL - Coverage skills are required. Ex. Fred Warner
C - Big guy with lateral quickness. Ex. Creed Humphrey
G- Mauler to play left guard. Ex. Steve Hutchinson
WR - Can create separation, able to run after catch, big enough to run block. Ex. Cooper Kupp
RB - Tough yards banger, receiver, pass blocker. Ex. Najee Harris
Players I'm currently high on are:
Brian Breese DE
Siaki Ika NT
John Michael Schmitz C
Cody Mauch G
Jaxon Kirkland G
Jahmyr Gibbs RB
Rachee Rice - WR
Demarvion Overshown - LB
Kenny McIntosh - RB
The only part of your suggestion that scares me is getting stuck with Geno on a one year $32M deal. Let's assume we resign Lock for $3M or so and then a rookie according to the draft scale. I'd not want Geno to wind up with the inside track simply because we're overpaying the guy.
Denver's last game finally showcased what makes Russell Wilson special. Good to see he's still capable of carrying a team on his back. No doubt helps that they stopped asking him to be someone he's not. If he can play like that going forward, Denver could wind up satisfied with the trade.
Who are the possible takers for Geno? I see maybe the Jets and Giants, possibly the Commanders and Patriots. The Ravens, if Jackson moves on. The other teams either have a QB, are unlikely to see Geno as much of an upgrade, or are bad.
It ain't Geno!!!!!
That the 3-4 defense has never worked this season and the 4-3 has worked extremely well seems like the kind of head-slapping objective evidence that should tell them exactly what to do. .... and now I'm hip to the same observation regarding the offense and the use of Tight Ends. When we were winning THIS SEASON, we primarily used the 4-3 Defense (old) and a 3 Tight End set on offense (new). Starting in Germany the 3TE set has consistently gotten called less as the season has gone on, whereas when we ran it Geno shined and we won games. I understand that no game plan can run one offensive look the entire time and I'm talking percentages here, but as of Mid-November we ran 3 tight ends more than any team in the NFL. That look hasn't been called in the last month anywhere near the same consistency as before. Dissly's number hasn't been called at all. Fant is a gem, and actually The Big Cheese-The Pusher-Colby Parkinson is my favorite current Seahawk. But all biases aside I'm standing in the same amazement that we had a scheme on offense that worked outstandingly this year that we have abandoned, as well as one on defense. I am squarely in the camp of blaming the schemes, not the players.