BTW - Does Tom Cruise run in this movie? Top Gun is like the only one he did not sprint somewhere in...it's like his "I'll be back." signature...there are those who feel it means something more. All it really means is he moves pretty good for an old guy.
I’m not saying I don’t “like” him or anything personal about him. But to me he is a dead end in the future if you’re trying to find a long term QB. Sorry I offended you. Maybe you can read my comment in the way I intended.
I never said I don’t like him. What I’m saying is that he is not going to be our QB going forward. He is a dead end in that respect. Skill, age, whatever. I don’t know him, have never met him and do not judge him.
I had the feeling last year that we never really saw Shane Waldron’s offense because Russ was too busy being improvisational Russ. I hope, but don’t really expect, that Lock can competently run Waldron’s offense and that we’ll see some long, time consuming drives that lead to points, while resting the refurbished defense.
In this dream scenario the Seahawks have a better record than the Broncos, have the Broncos top 10 draft pick next year and a ton of salary cap space.
It’s early in the year so a fan can dream the impossible dream.
Geno has the highest floor/lowest ceiling. Perhaps that looks like: Floor - 5 wins, ceiling - 7 wins. He has No potential for a long term solution. He is a decent back up QB to a Bridge QB at best.
Drew has the mid-level floor and the highest ceiling: Floor - 4 wins, ceiling - 9 wins. His long term potential could be significant but belief in that has truly been diluted based on his performances to date. He is a 'Second Chance' dude all the way.
Eason (who has yet to earn first name status) has perhaps the league's biggest arm. For real - but so far in college and the pros his head is...kind of...Princess and the Pea. He may, or may not, develop and simply represents a 'training camp arm for now with potential to grow. Zero percent solution for 2022, but worthy of a #3.
Baker could represent a worthy 2022 for us and maybe a worthy future too. His attitude, if unchanged, makes him a Bridge QB at best. Cleveland simply invested SO much in order to PASS on this passer that he should be considered an unworthy candidate. Now if he has the ability to change the 'BM' attitude simply by changing uniforms...come one, is that even likely? Hard Pass!
Any other Outside QB at this point represents a Bridge QB to me. Do you really think even an injury-free season with Jimmy G (Superman, or whoever that may get cut) behind center keeps us from drafting a top QB for 2023? If you feel we need Another bridge QB, go for it - but we don't - so don't.
Play Drew Lock and allow him to succeed or fail. If he sucks donkey balls, Geno comes in as relief. Eason comes in only if those two are injured. No outside QB is needed in 2022. Got it?
TOP GUN -- Experienced the first film at a pre-public premiere in Oak Harbor, WA. in a theater packed with Naval aviators and crew, including three gents who served as credited technical advisors. Best overall movie viewing experience over the years, bar none.
In it's organic 80's context, the movie was (at least) three things :
1) A *Tom Cruise* product of the late 80's, carefully constructed around his ticket-selling status so as to stroke his over-inflated ego, polish his public persona and maximize...
2) ...profits for the particular Hollyweird team (of producers) who lined up funding for the project, which is actually NUMERO UNO on *any* list about WHY a studio film gets made.
3) A massive recruiting video for the US Navy (and USMC), whose culture it glorified mightily -- if more than a little bit unrealistically. Don't bother asking how I know this, I just do.
In hindsight, it was also clearly propping up the usual socio-cultural signalling associated with blindered American exceptionalism, adventurous overseas militarism and general acceptance of both.
The new film is basically all this and more, though it's worth noting at this point that both are expertly crafted cinematic endeavors, from a technical standpoint as well as characterization.
Understanding the success of the new "Maverick" film isn't all that hard. Just re-read the above list, then multiply it by current American (and global) conditions.
QUARTERBACKS :
The shallow nature of most current media and the bizarre strategic ignorance regularly demonstrated by "reporters" asking coaches to broadcast what they plan to do (and how) to the rest of the league (seriously?) turned me off most coverage long ago.
Poorly-informed "opinions" masquerade as *analysis* in comments sections literally everywhere, but in few places does this phenom manifest more obviously than the hindquarters of sports media.
Of course "YOU" know more about the game than a coach of five decades backed by an experienced GM, their staff of coaches and scouts and everybody's individual networks of colleagues across the greater football universe.
Options are limited, but not absent. What does Wyman think? He's as "homer" as they come, but I've met him and he's an honest guy. Bucky Brooks continues to provide actual insight, along with a slow, steady stream of former players finding their way to the broadcast booth.
That said, I possess zero problem with open, honest more-or-less *informed* speculation, like the work of our earnest host and author here at Seaside Joe. As such, here's my nickel worth...
Based on what was clearly a league-wide assessment of the '22 draft, Carroll and Schneider's shrewd acquisition of Drew Lock in the Denver trade (plus Fant, Harris and the picks) was their equivalent of drafting a QB, hence the specific comments about his ranking.
They were well aware of the Fangio-Lock friction and less than advantageous coaching (and social) circumstances during his first three seasons.
Remember, Fangio was the old-school "no fun" guy who came into Denver and immediately shut down the playing of music at Denver practices, offering disparaging comments in the press that surely lost him a few hearts and minds in the Bronco's locker room.
The polar opposite of Coach Carroll, at least on the public-facing side.
Based on ten years of hindsight, it's clear Lock is the "hopeful" starter. Smith is being offered his last "window" to earn a starting quarterback role, based on years of faithful service at VMAC and football attributes. Eason is surely fighting for the backup job, barring a breakout camp.
Captain Obvious stuff, but necessary as preface when SO many hold such unrealistic views about the operations behind an NFL team. Especially the year-to-year challenges of managing a huge socio-economic experiment with dozens of young, wealthy/alpha males competing for jobs.
Personally, I suspect stability and situation WILL "un-Lock" Drew's potential, as measured by his college production, draft position and big rookie finish, before suffering the slings and arrows of Fangio's following two seasons shuffling offensive deck chairs on the U.S.S. Elway.
The 'Hawks clearly feel much the same, and I'm quite happy deferring to the talented team of professionals at VMAC paid more than most of us to evaluate and decide such football matters.
Based on the logic on full display thus far this off season, it's hard to imagine them pursuing another potential starter until the "Underwear Olympics" are over and camp is well underway. If it's becoming clear that 'D) none of the above' are up to standard, I will bet y'all a dollar it is NOT Baker Mayfield or Jimmy G -- and not just for salary cap reasons.
[ NOTE : my estimation of new DC Clint Hurtt continues to rise as he spends more time in front of the microphone.]
I think it will be Geno but I hope it will be Lock because this would mean that Drew looked good enough to beat out the guy with the inside track. Mayfield I’m in the fence about—I’ll go with PCJS’ judgment.
Top Gun aside, I thought about your QB question at length. I'm gonna go with Lock and pray. Mayfield has more experience but just doesn't seem like a team guy. Geno (sighs), just didn't show me anything last year and i have no confidence in him being "the guy" to win us games. Maybe there's something else others are seeing but, he's not for me. The question for me is, can Lock learn and not make stupid mistakes?
I haven't seen the new Top Gun but the original was kickass fun and one of the most memorable movies of the era. At QB, Eason would be fun but he had a horrible time at UW. He couldn't read a defense, had no poise, and showed no leadership. The thing I haven't seen in any of these guys is an intense desire to be great. Wilson's best attributes were his desire, effort, and durability. I haven't heard that any of these guys work harder than anyone else in the building. I always thought Brady was a kind of a jerk but I've grown to respect his relentless pursuit of being great. I don't know about Stroud or Young but McCall seems to have that calling. I just don't think a team can win big without the QB leadership by example.
Don't give a rat's ass about Tom Cruise, "Top Gun" or the sequel. I doubt I'll see it. Saw "Top Gun" when it came out but it had no lasting impression. Didn't join the military or anything. No, that took watching "An Officer and A Gentleman". After seeing that, I filled out an application for the Air Force flight screening program and dedicated the next year of my life to trying to get in. In those days, it was an arduous process that accepted 1% of the college grads who applied.
Somehow, I got in. Then I got out. My illustrious Air Force career lasted 21 days.
Looking back, it seems so silly. To be so young and impressionable. I knew nothing about military life or flying airplanes. I was a Jewish kid from Long Island. Jewish kids from Long Island become doctors, lawyers, stock brokers, realtors -- not friggin Air Force pilots or anything else that deals with signing up to fight in real wars.
Nothing like standing on a flight-line, freezing to death in your jumpsuit, when it's 30 degrees at 7 am and then roasting on the runway under glass at noon when it's 100. The world from "up there" isn't nearly as attractive, or at least wasn't to me, as being down here looking up. I really didn't like the complete loss of control that goes with military life; most of all the possibility of having to drop bombs on peasant villages. And then there was a insignificant fact that, doing spins and stalls, my insides wanted to come out.
I didn't wash out. Left voluntarily. I'll never know for sure but I guess I'd have washed out if I'd tried to stay in because it's really hard to learn to fly when you feel super sick. I remember my flight instructor saying I wasn't getting it fast enough and lamenting to him how I don't get it, that I'm a super quick study, that I'm really good with my hands and have great spacial sense, that I'd tested out at 99th percentile for pilot aptitude. He made the point that when one is sick, one doesn't learn. If there were more time, I'd be fine because my body would acclimate. But with just 9 hours until my check flight, things weren't looking good.
Truth is, by that time, I didn't care. I could see it wasn't the right career for me. Glad I had the opportunity to try. Still amazed that I went on the crazy journey because I saw a film. It's unbelievable how naive young people can be.
As for the Seahawks, I'm with those who don't want to see Gino at all. Put Lock or Eason under Center and see what he can do. Let's win or lose that way. I know Carroll won't see things this way but, if I were the one making the calls, that's what I'd do.
I have. I also worked at a mostly-Jewish country club in the 1980s (on summer break from college). Shined shoes and cleaned toilets in the locker room. Also caddied a bit.
A country club created by Jewish folks in the 1920s because they weren't accepted into the WASP clubs. By the 80s, the WASP clubs had a few token Jews and the Jewish club had a few token Asians. The members were obscenely wealthy. Mostly old people, though there were families and they included some of my classmates. I was on "the other side of the tracks". People from my neighborhood couldn't remotely dream of membership.
Geno, well we know what we have with him. Very ordinary and we are NOT going to make the playoffs let alone the SB with him. Good back-up, that is what you have with Geno
Easton, career 3rd stringer
Lock. Maybe make the playoffs.
Others. Let's face it, we need to draft a high potential guy on 2023. WHY would you pay a Mayfield or Jimmy big bucks when you can get a potential franchise guy on a rookie deal next year. Others make zero monetary sense and little sense from a football/winning sense.
Let's watch the games this year and let our rookies etc. Get a year of good experience under their belts in 2022
Agree completely with your football take, definitely not Baker Mayfield nor Jimmy G. Ride with what you got with Lock and Smith and look to next years draft. However your movie reviews......
I do think Baker Mayfield is a great quarterback for the sole reason he won a playoff game for *the Browns* (!!!).
BTW - Does Tom Cruise run in this movie? Top Gun is like the only one he did not sprint somewhere in...it's like his "I'll be back." signature...there are those who feel it means something more. All it really means is he moves pretty good for an old guy.
I’m not saying I don’t “like” him or anything personal about him. But to me he is a dead end in the future if you’re trying to find a long term QB. Sorry I offended you. Maybe you can read my comment in the way I intended.
I never said I don’t like him. What I’m saying is that he is not going to be our QB going forward. He is a dead end in that respect. Skill, age, whatever. I don’t know him, have never met him and do not judge him.
I had the feeling last year that we never really saw Shane Waldron’s offense because Russ was too busy being improvisational Russ. I hope, but don’t really expect, that Lock can competently run Waldron’s offense and that we’ll see some long, time consuming drives that lead to points, while resting the refurbished defense.
In this dream scenario the Seahawks have a better record than the Broncos, have the Broncos top 10 draft pick next year and a ton of salary cap space.
It’s early in the year so a fan can dream the impossible dream.
QBs on the roster...
Geno has the highest floor/lowest ceiling. Perhaps that looks like: Floor - 5 wins, ceiling - 7 wins. He has No potential for a long term solution. He is a decent back up QB to a Bridge QB at best.
Drew has the mid-level floor and the highest ceiling: Floor - 4 wins, ceiling - 9 wins. His long term potential could be significant but belief in that has truly been diluted based on his performances to date. He is a 'Second Chance' dude all the way.
Eason (who has yet to earn first name status) has perhaps the league's biggest arm. For real - but so far in college and the pros his head is...kind of...Princess and the Pea. He may, or may not, develop and simply represents a 'training camp arm for now with potential to grow. Zero percent solution for 2022, but worthy of a #3.
Baker could represent a worthy 2022 for us and maybe a worthy future too. His attitude, if unchanged, makes him a Bridge QB at best. Cleveland simply invested SO much in order to PASS on this passer that he should be considered an unworthy candidate. Now if he has the ability to change the 'BM' attitude simply by changing uniforms...come one, is that even likely? Hard Pass!
Any other Outside QB at this point represents a Bridge QB to me. Do you really think even an injury-free season with Jimmy G (Superman, or whoever that may get cut) behind center keeps us from drafting a top QB for 2023? If you feel we need Another bridge QB, go for it - but we don't - so don't.
Play Drew Lock and allow him to succeed or fail. If he sucks donkey balls, Geno comes in as relief. Eason comes in only if those two are injured. No outside QB is needed in 2022. Got it?
TOP GUN -- Experienced the first film at a pre-public premiere in Oak Harbor, WA. in a theater packed with Naval aviators and crew, including three gents who served as credited technical advisors. Best overall movie viewing experience over the years, bar none.
In it's organic 80's context, the movie was (at least) three things :
1) A *Tom Cruise* product of the late 80's, carefully constructed around his ticket-selling status so as to stroke his over-inflated ego, polish his public persona and maximize...
2) ...profits for the particular Hollyweird team (of producers) who lined up funding for the project, which is actually NUMERO UNO on *any* list about WHY a studio film gets made.
3) A massive recruiting video for the US Navy (and USMC), whose culture it glorified mightily -- if more than a little bit unrealistically. Don't bother asking how I know this, I just do.
In hindsight, it was also clearly propping up the usual socio-cultural signalling associated with blindered American exceptionalism, adventurous overseas militarism and general acceptance of both.
The new film is basically all this and more, though it's worth noting at this point that both are expertly crafted cinematic endeavors, from a technical standpoint as well as characterization.
Understanding the success of the new "Maverick" film isn't all that hard. Just re-read the above list, then multiply it by current American (and global) conditions.
QUARTERBACKS :
The shallow nature of most current media and the bizarre strategic ignorance regularly demonstrated by "reporters" asking coaches to broadcast what they plan to do (and how) to the rest of the league (seriously?) turned me off most coverage long ago.
Poorly-informed "opinions" masquerade as *analysis* in comments sections literally everywhere, but in few places does this phenom manifest more obviously than the hindquarters of sports media.
Of course "YOU" know more about the game than a coach of five decades backed by an experienced GM, their staff of coaches and scouts and everybody's individual networks of colleagues across the greater football universe.
Options are limited, but not absent. What does Wyman think? He's as "homer" as they come, but I've met him and he's an honest guy. Bucky Brooks continues to provide actual insight, along with a slow, steady stream of former players finding their way to the broadcast booth.
That said, I possess zero problem with open, honest more-or-less *informed* speculation, like the work of our earnest host and author here at Seaside Joe. As such, here's my nickel worth...
Based on what was clearly a league-wide assessment of the '22 draft, Carroll and Schneider's shrewd acquisition of Drew Lock in the Denver trade (plus Fant, Harris and the picks) was their equivalent of drafting a QB, hence the specific comments about his ranking.
They were well aware of the Fangio-Lock friction and less than advantageous coaching (and social) circumstances during his first three seasons.
Remember, Fangio was the old-school "no fun" guy who came into Denver and immediately shut down the playing of music at Denver practices, offering disparaging comments in the press that surely lost him a few hearts and minds in the Bronco's locker room.
The polar opposite of Coach Carroll, at least on the public-facing side.
Based on ten years of hindsight, it's clear Lock is the "hopeful" starter. Smith is being offered his last "window" to earn a starting quarterback role, based on years of faithful service at VMAC and football attributes. Eason is surely fighting for the backup job, barring a breakout camp.
Captain Obvious stuff, but necessary as preface when SO many hold such unrealistic views about the operations behind an NFL team. Especially the year-to-year challenges of managing a huge socio-economic experiment with dozens of young, wealthy/alpha males competing for jobs.
Personally, I suspect stability and situation WILL "un-Lock" Drew's potential, as measured by his college production, draft position and big rookie finish, before suffering the slings and arrows of Fangio's following two seasons shuffling offensive deck chairs on the U.S.S. Elway.
The 'Hawks clearly feel much the same, and I'm quite happy deferring to the talented team of professionals at VMAC paid more than most of us to evaluate and decide such football matters.
Based on the logic on full display thus far this off season, it's hard to imagine them pursuing another potential starter until the "Underwear Olympics" are over and camp is well underway. If it's becoming clear that 'D) none of the above' are up to standard, I will bet y'all a dollar it is NOT Baker Mayfield or Jimmy G -- and not just for salary cap reasons.
[ NOTE : my estimation of new DC Clint Hurtt continues to rise as he spends more time in front of the microphone.]
Put me down for Drew Lock.
Geno has been with them for 2 years and if he was the future we would not need all this drama.
They need to make a decision on one of these 2 players and go with him.
If it’s not working then they can stop the competition and bring in Mayfield or somebody else and give them a crack at it.
I think it will be Geno but I hope it will be Lock because this would mean that Drew looked good enough to beat out the guy with the inside track. Mayfield I’m in the fence about—I’ll go with PCJS’ judgment.
Top Gun aside, I thought about your QB question at length. I'm gonna go with Lock and pray. Mayfield has more experience but just doesn't seem like a team guy. Geno (sighs), just didn't show me anything last year and i have no confidence in him being "the guy" to win us games. Maybe there's something else others are seeing but, he's not for me. The question for me is, can Lock learn and not make stupid mistakes?
I haven't seen the new Top Gun but the original was kickass fun and one of the most memorable movies of the era. At QB, Eason would be fun but he had a horrible time at UW. He couldn't read a defense, had no poise, and showed no leadership. The thing I haven't seen in any of these guys is an intense desire to be great. Wilson's best attributes were his desire, effort, and durability. I haven't heard that any of these guys work harder than anyone else in the building. I always thought Brady was a kind of a jerk but I've grown to respect his relentless pursuit of being great. I don't know about Stroud or Young but McCall seems to have that calling. I just don't think a team can win big without the QB leadership by example.
Don't give a rat's ass about Tom Cruise, "Top Gun" or the sequel. I doubt I'll see it. Saw "Top Gun" when it came out but it had no lasting impression. Didn't join the military or anything. No, that took watching "An Officer and A Gentleman". After seeing that, I filled out an application for the Air Force flight screening program and dedicated the next year of my life to trying to get in. In those days, it was an arduous process that accepted 1% of the college grads who applied.
Somehow, I got in. Then I got out. My illustrious Air Force career lasted 21 days.
Looking back, it seems so silly. To be so young and impressionable. I knew nothing about military life or flying airplanes. I was a Jewish kid from Long Island. Jewish kids from Long Island become doctors, lawyers, stock brokers, realtors -- not friggin Air Force pilots or anything else that deals with signing up to fight in real wars.
Nothing like standing on a flight-line, freezing to death in your jumpsuit, when it's 30 degrees at 7 am and then roasting on the runway under glass at noon when it's 100. The world from "up there" isn't nearly as attractive, or at least wasn't to me, as being down here looking up. I really didn't like the complete loss of control that goes with military life; most of all the possibility of having to drop bombs on peasant villages. And then there was a insignificant fact that, doing spins and stalls, my insides wanted to come out.
I didn't wash out. Left voluntarily. I'll never know for sure but I guess I'd have washed out if I'd tried to stay in because it's really hard to learn to fly when you feel super sick. I remember my flight instructor saying I wasn't getting it fast enough and lamenting to him how I don't get it, that I'm a super quick study, that I'm really good with my hands and have great spacial sense, that I'd tested out at 99th percentile for pilot aptitude. He made the point that when one is sick, one doesn't learn. If there were more time, I'd be fine because my body would acclimate. But with just 9 hours until my check flight, things weren't looking good.
Truth is, by that time, I didn't care. I could see it wasn't the right career for me. Glad I had the opportunity to try. Still amazed that I went on the crazy journey because I saw a film. It's unbelievable how naive young people can be.
As for the Seahawks, I'm with those who don't want to see Gino at all. Put Lock or Eason under Center and see what he can do. Let's win or lose that way. I know Carroll won't see things this way but, if I were the one making the calls, that's what I'd do.
Have you seen Red Oaks (Amazon Prime series set in 1980s New Jersey about a mostly-Jewish country club)?
I have. I also worked at a mostly-Jewish country club in the 1980s (on summer break from college). Shined shoes and cleaned toilets in the locker room. Also caddied a bit.
A country club created by Jewish folks in the 1920s because they weren't accepted into the WASP clubs. By the 80s, the WASP clubs had a few token Jews and the Jewish club had a few token Asians. The members were obscenely wealthy. Mostly old people, though there were families and they included some of my classmates. I was on "the other side of the tracks". People from my neighborhood couldn't remotely dream of membership.
Geno, well we know what we have with him. Very ordinary and we are NOT going to make the playoffs let alone the SB with him. Good back-up, that is what you have with Geno
Easton, career 3rd stringer
Lock. Maybe make the playoffs.
Others. Let's face it, we need to draft a high potential guy on 2023. WHY would you pay a Mayfield or Jimmy big bucks when you can get a potential franchise guy on a rookie deal next year. Others make zero monetary sense and little sense from a football/winning sense.
Let's watch the games this year and let our rookies etc. Get a year of good experience under their belts in 2022
Agree completely with your football take, definitely not Baker Mayfield nor Jimmy G. Ride with what you got with Lock and Smith and look to next years draft. However your movie reviews......
Mayfield or Jimmy G. Why is Minshew unavailable?
This is the worst take I’ve seen on Top Gun. I saw it in the theater twice the summer that I turned 20. It’s a really enjoyable, fun movie.
I'm glad to hear it! That's great for your experience with movies, I'm only speaking on my experience.