It appears as SSJ commented Seattle got tired of facing AD for the last 10 years. They needed a DL guy who could be their difference maker. Not saying he is Donald but Murphy is considered one of the top guys availabe this year. His similarties to Madubuike sound like a great fit for Mac's scheme. In fact, I think Seattle set the tone with two future building blocks draft picks with both Murphy and Haynes. It seems when Seattle has taken their picks in rounds one and two last two years it has had a better outcome than trading down, at least to this point. I foresee the same being true with this years draft.
I think the Murphy pick was a perfect building block for McDonald's new era. In fact the first two picks I think will be seen as the ground floor of Seattle's future. SSJ is right when he talks of Seattle having to face AD for the last 10 years. Maybe it the Hawks time to turn that table.
Excellent article on Seahawks.com about what happened in the draft room. And they loved the early draft results and had 19 players with first rd grades. Thus they could have traded down but Murphy was at the top of their board.
Other thing you observed well, was how much easier it is to have a pass rush when Aaron Donald is getting at least center + guard attention, and maybe the tackle also watching his back. Going to be very interesting to see how Young and Turner perform w.o. him. Maybe Braden Fiske is enough to compensate, but watching his tape a bit, I don't think so....think Young and Turner are going to have "sophomore slumps".
I have no idea how Murphy's career is going to pan out nor what the Rams offered, but it would have been a bitter pill to have traded 16 for future picks. I get that it would make next year's draft exciting having multiple high picks, but it would not have helped the 2024 team. When doing the 300 draft simulators I do before each draft, I always ignore future picks because it's not like I'll have them available when I use the simulator next year. But it would seem JS is approaching the real thing similarly. They made a huge gamble with the coaching change, and need the team to get better now.
In Verse and Fiske the Rams got two top quality players for that D7. No-one can replace 1st Ballot HOF and arguable Best-Ever at his position Donald. But I think the Rams will be just fine (annoyingly) with the work they did.
We were correct not to trade. At least if we lose to the Rams it's because they beat us, and we didn't help them out with it. Play hardball with your divisional rivals, always.
The trade we should have made was the one we did at the start of day 3, but we really should have turned it into a 2025 3rd. That's the sole misstep from this draft.
From the write-up on Seahawks.com this morning, it seems like all Teams were offering were future picks, or at least mostly future picks. Given where the Seahawks are, that would be a hard one to swallow. Miss out on Murphy, and don't even get significant draft capital in the current year. I'm glad they stayed put and picked.
And hey, no more shots at the Rams until we start beating them. I don't care how poor the Rams front 7 appears on paper. They beat our asses. With AD, without AD, don't care. We talked about how bad the Rams were before the opening game last year, and that still sticks with me. It's bad mojo. Until (if) we start busting their tails on Sundays, we need to lay off the 'look at how bad the Rams roster is' talk. Before we play them this year, write an article about how good they are, and how we have no chance. That might turn the tide. ;)
Yes the Seahawks account of draft day, even with the omission of the teams and their offers was educational. Reading between the lines Kenneth's thinking concerning what the Seahawks were thinking appears to be dead on. Trade down was very much in the realm of possibility. until two things happened - 1) four offensive tackles were taken lowering the chances of getting a great deal by a team trading up for a tackle and 2) Six teams taking a QBs which allowed Murphy to fall. The teams most likely trade up for a tackle was the Moons, who I suspect was the team they were trying to improve the offer from while they were discussing where they would likely finish next year. I suspect the Moon's offer was a second this year and a first or a second and third next year. I think the Seahawks wanted both seconds 36 and 40 the pick which ended up being Newton and DeJean. When the Jets took Fashanu, I think that ended serious talk from the Moons about moving up for an offensive tackle. The other thing was Murphy making it through to 16. I think the for the Seahawks to seriously consider the trade from 16 to 19 with Murphy on the board it had to include to 19 and 52, and I think that would have still been a very dicey trade for both sides. LA way over paying and Seattle giving up on their top ranked defensive player. In the end it just did not happen.
Had JS made that trade and Murphy went to a direct competitor, all hell would descend on him every game we lost unless Murph proves to be a complete wash. But then there's next year... No way he'd consider it short of 2 first round picks and even then it would be dicey. It was a no-brainer to stick.
Maybe years from now SSJ will write an article in hindsight on the potential and reality of this exact situation. The last 10 years of emotional pain and trauma AD has imposed on this organization had to cross their minds when the deal was proposed; I’m not sure the trade off would be worth it if Murphy really does become as good as everyone imagines he will be. Could you imagine watching THAT “retread” 2-3 times a year knowing we handed that type of player to them on a silver platter? Even if Murphy bombs I still would have preferred us to have a prospect flare out than the potential that the rams drafted an absolute monster.
Without knowing what the Rams offered, it’s hard to say whether Schneider should have traded down. But…Schneider’s draft track record when he does trade down is hardly encouraging. That’s why I opposed trading down and why I’m happy that he stayed put. Plus, 3-down DTs don’t grow on trees.
I have to admit the Colts taking a guy (Latu) who had a severe enough injury in college that he actually retired for a while and didn't have through the roof measurables had me scratching my head more than a little.
I am glad I was able to get into my account.... What a journey through HELL... I almost bagged the whole thing!!! We needed exactly who we drafted... That was nice!
It appears as SSJ commented Seattle got tired of facing AD for the last 10 years. They needed a DL guy who could be their difference maker. Not saying he is Donald but Murphy is considered one of the top guys availabe this year. His similarties to Madubuike sound like a great fit for Mac's scheme. In fact, I think Seattle set the tone with two future building blocks draft picks with both Murphy and Haynes. It seems when Seattle has taken their picks in rounds one and two last two years it has had a better outcome than trading down, at least to this point. I foresee the same being true with this years draft.
I think the Murphy pick was a perfect building block for McDonald's new era. In fact the first two picks I think will be seen as the ground floor of Seattle's future. SSJ is right when he talks of Seattle having to face AD for the last 10 years. Maybe it the Hawks time to turn that table.
Excellent article on Seahawks.com about what happened in the draft room. And they loved the early draft results and had 19 players with first rd grades. Thus they could have traded down but Murphy was at the top of their board.
Other thing you observed well, was how much easier it is to have a pass rush when Aaron Donald is getting at least center + guard attention, and maybe the tackle also watching his back. Going to be very interesting to see how Young and Turner perform w.o. him. Maybe Braden Fiske is enough to compensate, but watching his tape a bit, I don't think so....think Young and Turner are going to have "sophomore slumps".
I just wanted to join the party and say "FTR!"
That is all.
Double-like for you, sir!
I have no idea how Murphy's career is going to pan out nor what the Rams offered, but it would have been a bitter pill to have traded 16 for future picks. I get that it would make next year's draft exciting having multiple high picks, but it would not have helped the 2024 team. When doing the 300 draft simulators I do before each draft, I always ignore future picks because it's not like I'll have them available when I use the simulator next year. But it would seem JS is approaching the real thing similarly. They made a huge gamble with the coaching change, and need the team to get better now.
Oh, am i glad that the Hawks Didn't trade Byron Murphy II. This pick was a rare Gift.
We'd be wincing every time we continued to be dominated by the Rams, over 'n over again.
In Verse and Fiske the Rams got two top quality players for that D7. No-one can replace 1st Ballot HOF and arguable Best-Ever at his position Donald. But I think the Rams will be just fine (annoyingly) with the work they did.
We were correct not to trade. At least if we lose to the Rams it's because they beat us, and we didn't help them out with it. Play hardball with your divisional rivals, always.
The trade we should have made was the one we did at the start of day 3, but we really should have turned it into a 2025 3rd. That's the sole misstep from this draft.
From the write-up on Seahawks.com this morning, it seems like all Teams were offering were future picks, or at least mostly future picks. Given where the Seahawks are, that would be a hard one to swallow. Miss out on Murphy, and don't even get significant draft capital in the current year. I'm glad they stayed put and picked.
And hey, no more shots at the Rams until we start beating them. I don't care how poor the Rams front 7 appears on paper. They beat our asses. With AD, without AD, don't care. We talked about how bad the Rams were before the opening game last year, and that still sticks with me. It's bad mojo. Until (if) we start busting their tails on Sundays, we need to lay off the 'look at how bad the Rams roster is' talk. Before we play them this year, write an article about how good they are, and how we have no chance. That might turn the tide. ;)
Yes the Seahawks account of draft day, even with the omission of the teams and their offers was educational. Reading between the lines Kenneth's thinking concerning what the Seahawks were thinking appears to be dead on. Trade down was very much in the realm of possibility. until two things happened - 1) four offensive tackles were taken lowering the chances of getting a great deal by a team trading up for a tackle and 2) Six teams taking a QBs which allowed Murphy to fall. The teams most likely trade up for a tackle was the Moons, who I suspect was the team they were trying to improve the offer from while they were discussing where they would likely finish next year. I suspect the Moon's offer was a second this year and a first or a second and third next year. I think the Seahawks wanted both seconds 36 and 40 the pick which ended up being Newton and DeJean. When the Jets took Fashanu, I think that ended serious talk from the Moons about moving up for an offensive tackle. The other thing was Murphy making it through to 16. I think the for the Seahawks to seriously consider the trade from 16 to 19 with Murphy on the board it had to include to 19 and 52, and I think that would have still been a very dicey trade for both sides. LA way over paying and Seattle giving up on their top ranked defensive player. In the end it just did not happen.
I enjoyed the Seahawks.com account of Draft Day. Thanks for the link!
We will know the answer in a few years.
I too believe JS made the right move, but as always it is wait and see-
Had JS made that trade and Murphy went to a direct competitor, all hell would descend on him every game we lost unless Murph proves to be a complete wash. But then there's next year... No way he'd consider it short of 2 first round picks and even then it would be dicey. It was a no-brainer to stick.
Maybe years from now SSJ will write an article in hindsight on the potential and reality of this exact situation. The last 10 years of emotional pain and trauma AD has imposed on this organization had to cross their minds when the deal was proposed; I’m not sure the trade off would be worth it if Murphy really does become as good as everyone imagines he will be. Could you imagine watching THAT “retread” 2-3 times a year knowing we handed that type of player to them on a silver platter? Even if Murphy bombs I still would have preferred us to have a prospect flare out than the potential that the rams drafted an absolute monster.
Without knowing what the Rams offered, it’s hard to say whether Schneider should have traded down. But…Schneider’s draft track record when he does trade down is hardly encouraging. That’s why I opposed trading down and why I’m happy that he stayed put. Plus, 3-down DTs don’t grow on trees.
No way to the trade with the rams
Curiously, why did t the colts trade down? That would be the one that makes sense - and thankfully they didn’t.
I have to admit the Colts taking a guy (Latu) who had a severe enough injury in college that he actually retired for a while and didn't have through the roof measurables had me scratching my head more than a little.
I let out a huge sigh of relief when they made that pick...
now watch him turn out to be the next Bosa and show us how much we all know.
I am glad I was able to get into my account.... What a journey through HELL... I almost bagged the whole thing!!! We needed exactly who we drafted... That was nice!