Next to Adams, Lockett seems the worst candidate on the roster to extend. Diggs is a pretty awful choice too. Couldn’t they have done Uchenna or someone?
Surprised they've gone this route compared to the likes of Dissly/Diggs/Adams restructures, or extensions for Fant/Nuwosu. Very unsure what the plan is for 2024, or rather, i know the plan is "win/compete now" because that's always the plan, i'm just hoping they have a bit more ambition than that and have something interesting up their sleeves to solve the upcoming log jam of contracts. [Somehow trade Diggs/Adams & Lockett to move up to #1 for Williams, flipping Dissly to a desparate team to maintain 6/7 total picks. That'll be a workable mix of talent, ambition and surviving dead cap hits]
I doubt this factors into the front office decision making, but I think we 12s will be more forgiving of wasting money (if it comes to that) on Lockett than we would have been on Diggs/Adams. Its just the best bad financial decision they could make.
The Diggs and Adams contracts are really hamstringing the Hawks. The Adams trade without having an extension already in place might be the most significant mistake PC/JS have ever made.
It hasn't worked out so I'd characterize it as a mistake at this point. The thing that kills me about it was not having an extension already worked out with him when the trade was consummated, I definitely think that was a huge mistake.
It’s fine to say that in hindsight, and knowing what they know now, I’m sure they would have made a different decision.
They extended him after the 2020 season when he had 9.5 sacks and was every bit the game wrecker they hoped. No one could have predicted he’d suffer major injuries that required surgery.
I don’t think it’s fair or useful to second guess. Nobody likes that. They made a decision based on the information they had at the time.
The moved was panned by a lot of folks at the time it was made as giving up too much when the team was more than a safety away from winning it all. Two first round picks for a player who was going to command a huge extension at a position that isn't held in high esteem by the rest of the league just wasn't a winning move.
Any player who isn't playing and takes up big resources will feel like a mistake, particularly when the fanbase wasn't sure of the decision to begin with. OTOH, I wasn't personally thinking about the cap hit one bit when Diggs extended the season with the most exciting play in years.
With the way TL avoids contact, he will 100% positively no doubt be the Tom Brady of WRs. lol! We all love Lockett. He doesn't have to be the guy, most of those guys above are big, classic WR1s... he just has to hurt the people who think he's not the guy... be the Beasley to Diggs, the Welker to Thomas. JS/PC betting on that package for 2 more years seems reasonable/prudent particularly while JSN is on the rookie deal.
I agree, Seth. This feels more like something that the Seahawks simply had to do right now for the cap space and can bank on Lockett contributing on some level for two more years. They couldn't do that with the safeties.
I read about the extension and felt the same way Ken. It's a bit of a crap shoot for next year. With the cap situation Seattle will have to make some other adjustments and I agee with you I'm not comfortable with Adams or Diggs in that scenario. I think new contract extensions may be the only choice here unless they can restructure DJ's, but the later cap hit there could be extreme as well. To be continued.
Lockett could play just as well over the next couple seasons as he has the past few and not reach 1,000 yards because JSN was added. JSN may very well take some of the targets that Lockett would have gotten otherwise, and allow Lockett to not have to play as many plays. Even with reduced yardage, Lockett's contribution and value may not decrease. I guess we'll all see.
You are right to point out that a receiver's value isn't completely tied up in receiving yards and I could have done a better job of laying that out in the article because all I did was talk about receivingf yards. I do think that generally, value will come from production and production is tied to how much you directly contribute to moving the ball down the field, first downs, touchdowns, and not just indirectly maybe taking attention away from Metcalf and JSN.
I think if you take a player on a rival team, like say DeAndre Hopkins on the Cardinals, and say, "Are you jealous that Arizona is paying Hopkins $27 million in 2024 if he has 80 catches for 800 yards?", would that be the case? Should teams regularly practice salary cap management that results in a player being top-5 in salary cap hit but 25th in receiving yards? Obviously in Seattle's case, they see themselves having more wiggle room because they don't have a $50 million QB and two offensive tackles on rookie contracts, so it's all part of the game of jenga.
You are right it is a round number. There isn’t a person running any team that things that a receiver averaging 40 yards per game is going to be worth $27,000,000
The value is telling. This is basically what they need to sign the rookie class and the practice squad.
By the way, i think they only did that because we drafted JSN, who can help reduce wear and tear on Lockett, as he manned the slot a few times per game, even though he has his best game out wide.
Next to Adams, Lockett seems the worst candidate on the roster to extend. Diggs is a pretty awful choice too. Couldn’t they have done Uchenna or someone?
If Tyler has a good year could they give him say a one year extension and allocate part of the 2024 salary to 2025 to spread out the cap hit?
Surprised they've gone this route compared to the likes of Dissly/Diggs/Adams restructures, or extensions for Fant/Nuwosu. Very unsure what the plan is for 2024, or rather, i know the plan is "win/compete now" because that's always the plan, i'm just hoping they have a bit more ambition than that and have something interesting up their sleeves to solve the upcoming log jam of contracts. [Somehow trade Diggs/Adams & Lockett to move up to #1 for Williams, flipping Dissly to a desparate team to maintain 6/7 total picks. That'll be a workable mix of talent, ambition and surviving dead cap hits]
So Lockett has 12 touchdowns and 600 yards. How do you judge that seem everyone is talking yardage. “May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks”.
I doubt this factors into the front office decision making, but I think we 12s will be more forgiving of wasting money (if it comes to that) on Lockett than we would have been on Diggs/Adams. Its just the best bad financial decision they could make.
The Diggs and Adams contracts are really hamstringing the Hawks. The Adams trade without having an extension already in place might be the most significant mistake PC/JS have ever made.
Was it a mistake in process, or just bad luck?
It hasn't worked out so I'd characterize it as a mistake at this point. The thing that kills me about it was not having an extension already worked out with him when the trade was consummated, I definitely think that was a huge mistake.
When the Hawks traded for Adams, they basically committed to extending him. You can’t give up what they gave up for a one-year rental.
Right. So why not have a new contract already worked out? Otherwise the player's agent has you over a barrel.
They should have but they didn’t. And they were over a barrel, with little choice but to take a deep breath and sign on the dotted line.
It’s fine to say that in hindsight, and knowing what they know now, I’m sure they would have made a different decision.
They extended him after the 2020 season when he had 9.5 sacks and was every bit the game wrecker they hoped. No one could have predicted he’d suffer major injuries that required surgery.
I don’t think it’s fair or useful to second guess. Nobody likes that. They made a decision based on the information they had at the time.
The moved was panned by a lot of folks at the time it was made as giving up too much when the team was more than a safety away from winning it all. Two first round picks for a player who was going to command a huge extension at a position that isn't held in high esteem by the rest of the league just wasn't a winning move.
Any player who isn't playing and takes up big resources will feel like a mistake, particularly when the fanbase wasn't sure of the decision to begin with. OTOH, I wasn't personally thinking about the cap hit one bit when Diggs extended the season with the most exciting play in years.
With the way TL avoids contact, he will 100% positively no doubt be the Tom Brady of WRs. lol! We all love Lockett. He doesn't have to be the guy, most of those guys above are big, classic WR1s... he just has to hurt the people who think he's not the guy... be the Beasley to Diggs, the Welker to Thomas. JS/PC betting on that package for 2 more years seems reasonable/prudent particularly while JSN is on the rookie deal.
I agree, Seth. This feels more like something that the Seahawks simply had to do right now for the cap space and can bank on Lockett contributing on some level for two more years. They couldn't do that with the safeties.
I read about the extension and felt the same way Ken. It's a bit of a crap shoot for next year. With the cap situation Seattle will have to make some other adjustments and I agee with you I'm not comfortable with Adams or Diggs in that scenario. I think new contract extensions may be the only choice here unless they can restructure DJ's, but the later cap hit there could be extreme as well. To be continued.
Lockett could play just as well over the next couple seasons as he has the past few and not reach 1,000 yards because JSN was added. JSN may very well take some of the targets that Lockett would have gotten otherwise, and allow Lockett to not have to play as many plays. Even with reduced yardage, Lockett's contribution and value may not decrease. I guess we'll all see.
You are right to point out that a receiver's value isn't completely tied up in receiving yards and I could have done a better job of laying that out in the article because all I did was talk about receivingf yards. I do think that generally, value will come from production and production is tied to how much you directly contribute to moving the ball down the field, first downs, touchdowns, and not just indirectly maybe taking attention away from Metcalf and JSN.
I think if you take a player on a rival team, like say DeAndre Hopkins on the Cardinals, and say, "Are you jealous that Arizona is paying Hopkins $27 million in 2024 if he has 80 catches for 800 yards?", would that be the case? Should teams regularly practice salary cap management that results in a player being top-5 in salary cap hit but 25th in receiving yards? Obviously in Seattle's case, they see themselves having more wiggle room because they don't have a $50 million QB and two offensive tackles on rookie contracts, so it's all part of the game of jenga.
There's nothing magical about 1000 yards. It's just a convenient number. If Lockett get 800 yards I will be fine with it. Or even 784 yards.
You are right it is a round number. There isn’t a person running any team that things that a receiver averaging 40 yards per game is going to be worth $27,000,000
The value is telling. This is basically what they need to sign the rookie class and the practice squad.
By the way, i think they only did that because we drafted JSN, who can help reduce wear and tear on Lockett, as he manned the slot a few times per game, even though he has his best game out wide.
This gets them closer but they're still going to need to free up more money to cover those costs for 2023.