I’d love a Mahomes or Allen, but only on their rookie deals. The idea of a franchise QB is great, but not if you’re paying said QB at market value.
In the last 12 SBs, only 3 of those 24 teams have been piloted by a QB with a top 5 cap hit. There’s a much higher rate of mediocre QBs winning than your highly-paid marquee guys.
Now, if you can get a franchise guy to take a below market deal for 20 years like Brady, then great. I would’ve been happy to keep Russ if his cap hit was $20M. At $45M? Hell no.
It seems to me that you basically have to get everything else right to build a complete team around a QB taking up that much of your cap space. It’s a bad bet. The numbers back that up.
A great team can be a contender with a decent QB, like the 49ers with Jimmy G or the Rams with Goff, or the Steelers with Old Big Ben. A bad team is not saved by a great QB, as the Stafford-era Lions or the 2017 Seahawks show us.
The Saints with post-LASIK Winston are scary. If he's healthy, they are my favorites to win the NFC,
To answer your question I would take the Seahawks by 7 if Russ was our quarterback against the Teddy, or Drew Broncos. I didn't want to see Russell get traded, but after it happened I have been fully on-board with the deal. There were no real options available to rebuild the team. True Russell didn't look quite as good last year, but I don't think he has passed his best by due date. We only need to look at the last 5 or 6 games from last year. Russell brought the Hawks from behind to many times in the 4th quarter to think he is already on the slippery slope to mediocre play. John and Pete made the right move. I already feel good about the 2022 draft class. Step 2 is finding a young stud QB. This is a lot easier said than done, but I think John Schneider will get the job done. Knowing that he was trying to swing a deal to get Josh Allen is the proof I need.
Can someone tell me did Marquise Goodwin get cut and brought back ? Was he never cut, or is he cut. I can't seem to get the answer because I have seen his name twice as being on the team, and those articaks were from yesterday and today. It would make us a better team. Five wide formations would be killer and maybe the fastest in the league. Please help. Thanks
Josh Allen in his rookie season was not the Josh Allen everyone is thrilled with today and I have considerable doubt that this franchise would have made the right decisions with the right people to fix a QB with considerable problems in his rookie season. Tater isn't fixing Josh Allen, and while I don't know much about Dave Canales as a QB coach I do know he didn't actually play the position in his football career, so I don't have a lot of reason to believe Pete Carroll is investing any more serious effort to develop his QB(s) in 2022 than he did in 2012.
It would have been fun to see Mahomes throw to Baldwin and Lockett but Mahomes would not have sat for a year in Seattle, he would not have had an offensive-minded HC who tailored an entire offense around him nor would have benefitted from a HC so hell-bent on unlocking his potential that his entire staff was scouring both CFB and high school football program for innovative play designs. That's not Pete Carroll, but it would be fun to see the alternate timeline where Mahomes was Seattle's QB and compare that version of him with the one we've got (I'm 99% sure the one we got is the preferred reality).
I PRAY the Seahawks find a future QB who can play within Carroll's system and not some developmental project QB because let's face it: The Seahawks getting a QB who was basically ready for prime time in 2012 was a miracle and it's going to be incredibly hard to replicate that level of luck twice.
Let’s see what happens this year. Rick Meier was Seattle’s number 2 overall pick in the draft in 1993 or thereabouts. Who? Exactly! Spending the season waiting for the savior to be picked in next years draft isn’t any guarantee you won’t wind up breathlessly waiting for 2024 class of QBs.
The Broncos and Seahawks seem to be at the same place in terms of roster construction. Both have all the important pieces in place. Yet one decided to trade Wilson away and the other went after him. Fascinating to see where this will go.
After reading Brady's article the thing that really jumped out at me that nobody seems to be talking about is that Schneider chose to do a deal with Denver over other suitors because he could get Lock in return. The consensus is that Lock was just a throw in but if he's the actual reason why Denver was chosen then doesn't it seem like Lock might be in the Hawk's long term plans?
Seahawks fans seem to wildly overestimate Seattle's chances against Denver on Monday. Not so much here, as SJ readers seem more sophisticated than most, but on websites like fieldgulls, look out.
We know that in sports one can never say never but I'll be shocked if Seattle doesn't get blown out on Monday. The key is gonna be keeping it close. If Wilson comes in here and scores a couple of quick touchdowns, I don't see a realistic option for Geno to bring our guys back. If it somehow stays close, then who knows. If only our defense were stout enough to keep things close.
Unwritten is that Wilson wanted out. So, considering that, the Hawks FO fleeced the Broncos in that trade. That's just my opinion and we will only know who is right for two or three years, but I am sure it was foisted upon us, and never forget we went 7-10 last year. I had lost hope we would get to a SB again with Wilson. He hadn't won a game in the 4th Qtr. for a long time, either.
Build focus grow , If we win 10-12 games ,Build focus grow then draft W R and quarterback and an edge then keep living the dream …We got this …Happy Hawks fan .
Wilson's Seahawks vs Geno's Broncos? That's very easy: Wilson's Seahawks. Why? By DVOA, Wilson's Seahawks were a 9.6 expected win team last year, and Wilson was broken much of the year. Geno did a quarter of the quarterbacking himself. Bridgewater's Broncos were a 7.8 expected win team, and I imagine Geno and Bridgewater are interchangeable. Add in home field advantage and it's an easy choice.
I’d love a Mahomes or Allen, but only on their rookie deals. The idea of a franchise QB is great, but not if you’re paying said QB at market value.
In the last 12 SBs, only 3 of those 24 teams have been piloted by a QB with a top 5 cap hit. There’s a much higher rate of mediocre QBs winning than your highly-paid marquee guys.
Now, if you can get a franchise guy to take a below market deal for 20 years like Brady, then great. I would’ve been happy to keep Russ if his cap hit was $20M. At $45M? Hell no.
It seems to me that you basically have to get everything else right to build a complete team around a QB taking up that much of your cap space. It’s a bad bet. The numbers back that up.
A great team can be a contender with a decent QB, like the 49ers with Jimmy G or the Rams with Goff, or the Steelers with Old Big Ben. A bad team is not saved by a great QB, as the Stafford-era Lions or the 2017 Seahawks show us.
The Saints with post-LASIK Winston are scary. If he's healthy, they are my favorites to win the NFC,
To answer your question I would take the Seahawks by 7 if Russ was our quarterback against the Teddy, or Drew Broncos. I didn't want to see Russell get traded, but after it happened I have been fully on-board with the deal. There were no real options available to rebuild the team. True Russell didn't look quite as good last year, but I don't think he has passed his best by due date. We only need to look at the last 5 or 6 games from last year. Russell brought the Hawks from behind to many times in the 4th quarter to think he is already on the slippery slope to mediocre play. John and Pete made the right move. I already feel good about the 2022 draft class. Step 2 is finding a young stud QB. This is a lot easier said than done, but I think John Schneider will get the job done. Knowing that he was trying to swing a deal to get Josh Allen is the proof I need.
Can someone tell me did Marquise Goodwin get cut and brought back ? Was he never cut, or is he cut. I can't seem to get the answer because I have seen his name twice as being on the team, and those articaks were from yesterday and today. It would make us a better team. Five wide formations would be killer and maybe the fastest in the league. Please help. Thanks
Josh Allen in his rookie season was not the Josh Allen everyone is thrilled with today and I have considerable doubt that this franchise would have made the right decisions with the right people to fix a QB with considerable problems in his rookie season. Tater isn't fixing Josh Allen, and while I don't know much about Dave Canales as a QB coach I do know he didn't actually play the position in his football career, so I don't have a lot of reason to believe Pete Carroll is investing any more serious effort to develop his QB(s) in 2022 than he did in 2012.
It would have been fun to see Mahomes throw to Baldwin and Lockett but Mahomes would not have sat for a year in Seattle, he would not have had an offensive-minded HC who tailored an entire offense around him nor would have benefitted from a HC so hell-bent on unlocking his potential that his entire staff was scouring both CFB and high school football program for innovative play designs. That's not Pete Carroll, but it would be fun to see the alternate timeline where Mahomes was Seattle's QB and compare that version of him with the one we've got (I'm 99% sure the one we got is the preferred reality).
I PRAY the Seahawks find a future QB who can play within Carroll's system and not some developmental project QB because let's face it: The Seahawks getting a QB who was basically ready for prime time in 2012 was a miracle and it's going to be incredibly hard to replicate that level of luck twice.
Let’s see what happens this year. Rick Meier was Seattle’s number 2 overall pick in the draft in 1993 or thereabouts. Who? Exactly! Spending the season waiting for the savior to be picked in next years draft isn’t any guarantee you won’t wind up breathlessly waiting for 2024 class of QBs.
The Broncos and Seahawks seem to be at the same place in terms of roster construction. Both have all the important pieces in place. Yet one decided to trade Wilson away and the other went after him. Fascinating to see where this will go.
After reading Brady's article the thing that really jumped out at me that nobody seems to be talking about is that Schneider chose to do a deal with Denver over other suitors because he could get Lock in return. The consensus is that Lock was just a throw in but if he's the actual reason why Denver was chosen then doesn't it seem like Lock might be in the Hawk's long term plans?
I will be amazed if Geno is the QB all season.
Seahawks fans seem to wildly overestimate Seattle's chances against Denver on Monday. Not so much here, as SJ readers seem more sophisticated than most, but on websites like fieldgulls, look out.
We know that in sports one can never say never but I'll be shocked if Seattle doesn't get blown out on Monday. The key is gonna be keeping it close. If Wilson comes in here and scores a couple of quick touchdowns, I don't see a realistic option for Geno to bring our guys back. If it somehow stays close, then who knows. If only our defense were stout enough to keep things close.
Unwritten is that Wilson wanted out. So, considering that, the Hawks FO fleeced the Broncos in that trade. That's just my opinion and we will only know who is right for two or three years, but I am sure it was foisted upon us, and never forget we went 7-10 last year. I had lost hope we would get to a SB again with Wilson. He hadn't won a game in the 4th Qtr. for a long time, either.
Build focus grow , If we win 10-12 games ,Build focus grow then draft W R and quarterback and an edge then keep living the dream …We got this …Happy Hawks fan .
Wilson's Seahawks vs Geno's Broncos? That's very easy: Wilson's Seahawks. Why? By DVOA, Wilson's Seahawks were a 9.6 expected win team last year, and Wilson was broken much of the year. Geno did a quarter of the quarterbacking himself. Bridgewater's Broncos were a 7.8 expected win team, and I imagine Geno and Bridgewater are interchangeable. Add in home field advantage and it's an easy choice.