IMHO the only mis-step for lack of a better term is Pete's almost refusal to value and have a great ( or at least very good ) O-line as a top priority. I would be fine with a sale to Bezo's from the simple fact he will WANT a winner! Would prefer another option , But oh well- I have seen nothing that makes me think Hurtt is a head coach-
A couple of years ago several of the members of the LOB collectively suggested they would like to band together to take ownership of the Seahawks. If they add Pete and John to their group it would be the most interesting, enthusiastic, and impressive ownership in the history of the NFL.
Ownership / Pete and John. I suspect that there is a chicken and egg relationship here. Pete and John leaving would be a natural point to sell the team and selling the team would be a natural time for Pete and John to depart. I also think the sale of team and Pete and John departure is actually linked to whether Seahawk's continue to be viewed as a roster on the rise and not whether the Seahawks get to the Super Bowl in the next two years. In short - but rather does the Seahawk / 49er new old approach of QB as piece supporting piece of the puzzle work, or does it make sense to blow it up.
Hmm, yeah, that's very interesting Charlie. How they are involved in any sale discussions is worth monitoring. John may have a much different timeline than Pete, or he may want to explore a new challenge, who knows. I would think keeping John is a priority for new owners, if they're good owners.
I think it is very difficult to separate John and Pete. They have a unique relationship. Sure it is possible that John could stay after Pete retires, but I would be surprised. They remind me of other long term pairs such as Landry and Schramm, Walsh and Carmen Policy, and Gibbs and Beathard. Perhaps John would stay if Pete retired after winning the Super Bowl or because of unexpected health problems. Otherwise I just don't see it, particularly if the transition occurs as part of new ownership. I actually think the natural fit for John post Pete is to return to the Packers to take over football operations.
The change in kick returns is bad news for Dee Eskridge. He could carve a roster spot returning kicks, which he was really good in college, but did only a couple of times with the Seahawks given the high chances of injury and he being banged up already. Now, he's healthy, but unless he can return punts, his value as a returner is much, much lower. He will need to show up and have some spark in a crowded receiver room.
I hope he does. Lockett won't play forever, and we may get to a situation again where we have only 2 really good receivers. We went from Baldwin and Tate, to Baldwin and committee, to Baldwin and Lockett, to Lockett and Metcalf. If JSN plays as we expect him to play, it will be the first time we have 3 great receivers (which we have been trying to get at least since the Harvin trade). And if Dee finally blossoms, we may keep this going after NoE retirement.
Bezos worries me as a potential owner, he'll be an interferer. He's not a football man with years of experience and knowledge of the game. But he does have too much money and an ego almost as large as his hoard of gold. That makes me think if he did takeover he'd want to operate in a way akin to that of Jones or Snyder or Tepper or Irsay. "My team, I can make decisions." The best teams are those where the Owner takes a backseat to those with footballing skills and understanding. That's not just true for the NFL but for all sports. We have a great set-up know, the current owners have an input, but they don't override those with the smarts and day-to-day experience.
We could do a lot worse than Hurtt as HC in a year/two-years time. We could also do better... There are good coaches, with solid records, that are available now to bring in as HC or will be in that same time span. Lovie Smith, Brian Flores, Eric Bieniemy I feel could all do well given a HC job in the PNW and the stability and support we can offer. But the dream hire, Mike Tomlin. I believe his contract runs only to the end of 2024, so two years for Pete to run at another ring, and then getting Tomlin, arguably the best HC in the NFL of the last 15 years. A fan can dream!
The level of Bezos interference is proportional to his passion, at least during his tenure at Amazon.
He delegated most of the work, except for his pet projects: kindle and Amazon Go come to mind. He's also meddling at Blue Origin (another of his passions).
Is he passionate about football? I don't think so. This can be good or bad.
It would be horrible to have Bezos get a hold on anything more in the area. Wages would go down, safety measures abandoned, ticket prices even higher, he'd be the only one allowed to raise the flag, and that grating laugh would be heard over the speakers throughout every home game. He's obsessed with power. LOL
Please no Bezos, apparently he doesn't understand music... not that he can't write it but that he doesn't understand why people listen to it. I want an owner that sees it as a sport first instead of simply another business venture. Granted, maybe Jody only sees it as a business venture but shit owners interfering with things they don't understand sucks for fans and the team. If it weren't for the rules how many people can be joint owners of a team I would say we should start a GoFundMe right now and buy the team so it's fan owned!
Ken!!! What was that article you (at least I think it was you... I know it was on Field Gulls in the before time of the long, long ago) wrote years ago about some no-name Seahawk that was the only player on the field on offense AND defense, sacked the entire OL by himself while intercepting a pass for a pick six...etc. It wasn't exactly what I said but it was a very funny article and google is not being my friend at the moment but I know it exists!
Geno is going to kill it this season. A reminder I am on record that we will end at 12-5 but I need to amend that as the bottom, but not the top. And since I gazed into my crystal ball and made that prediction, I have gazed again, and seen Geno exceeding expectations, AGAIN, and again, BY A LOT! Truly, how could he not? With a more seasoned OL and a stacked RB room, and with 50% more firepower in the WR room how could Geno not do more easily what he did last year, this year? More weapons, more protection, more time in the pocket? Geno's second half "collapse" was more like the collapse of the interior OL, but our tackles failed us towards the end, too. I'm confident they will improve, and I am confident Brown is significantly better than Blyth, so if Olu Olu wins the job over Brown we should be significantly improved over last year at center.
Geno's going to have to kill it with these players around him, because if not, we will see Drew Lock at some point. Too many weapons and resources used on offense to be anything less than good.
That's my thought too. He's got far more pressure to to great this year. If there is a consistent sense that he is holding the offense back, he'll be in trouble (particularly if the losses pile up). Last year he was playing to prove himself, and he still is, but now the team expectations are far greater and he can't be the reason we don't achieve them.
I think Bradford is going to maul and that Brown will start at least at the beginning of the year. I also think Geno will be as good and possibly better this season.
It's funny to look at because people have different expectations: defenses will figure him out and he'll regress or he'll study the defenses and ungress(?) That's where I have trouble because I can't parse out how much of all those things is on individual players, coaches, or schemes...is it like natural selection where a predator and prey keep specializing each other's genetic traits -- a big is poison so only birds tolerant of the poison survive and start eating all the bugs; only bugs with really strong poison survive and start starving the birds, ad infinitum.
This is where I think the professional coaches and fans diverge because there are so many moving pieces that it is staggering and we, as fans, tend to simplify and reduce things to a single variable like looking at INTs and claiming reducing them will fix everything, but what is causing them? The QB? The scheme? A specific offensive player doing something wrong? A combination of all three that you somehow have to tease into separate strands and braid back into something that works?
I apologize for the logorrhea, but damnit, I love analyzing things down to the molecule before realizing I have no fucking clue, haha.
Oh my, who am I expecting to take the next step and become part of the core going forward? Everyone drafted in the last two years. Bo Melton be damned. Both of our tackles should take a step forward. Everyone we have acquired in free agency, too. Love, for sure. Witherspoon for sure. We need our 4th round NT to hold up for a while anyways, but maybe Tavai can do the job?
I think JSN is special and probably a better WR than either DK or Lockett. I think they will replace Lockett as the outside receiver almost immediately once in a while. To give the old fart more rest, but also to move Lockett inside and give our offense a few wrinkles that are easy to implement so long as the added player is pro ready, and I am kind of thinking that is part of the "character" check list. It seems like the only non pro ready guy we have drafted in the last two years, besides Bo Melton, was Woolen. And look how that turned out. Woolen shocked the shit out of the coaches at his pro readyness. They weren't expecting it from him.
Anyone who has followed the story of JSN would probably agree that he was pro ready as a Sophomore in college. They get good coaching at Ohio State U., but he's better than that guy at SF who is a great WR after the catch guy. I'm forgetting names in my weekend hedonism and slothfullness. He has the lower body of a running back and some of the most elite athleticism in the world. His hands are elite. He's the whole package, and Geno will learn quickly to always know where he is on the field. So my expectations are out of this world for JSN. I just hope Geno learns to lean on him quickly and not worry about DK's numbers or ego. As long as we win, everyone will learn to be happy.
There are a lot of skill players on this team who will want touches, but anyone who gets those third downs gives everyone more chances. JSN should be very popular on the offense.
Bezos....hmmmmmm. Up until about 2015, Bezos was really nailing it. The first 15 or so of his annual letters to investors should be mandatory reading for people in a customer-focused business. (At least in my opinion).
But sometime around 2015 he realized he was a billionaire and decided to act like one. All I have to see his Blue Origin pic where he’s trying to look like a fighter pilot and I about sprain my eyes from them rolling so hard.
I question his commitment to Seattle, and I could see him pulling a Ken Behring kind of move down the road.
It could also be quite some time before Ms. Allen sells the team. Phil Knight tried to buy the Trail Blazers from her (there’s no issue with repaying Washington) this past year and was soundly rebuffed.
I think she really likes owning the teams and could take a long time to ever sell them. And I’m good with that.
She should be motivated to keep the Seahawks. Why give in now unless the offer is ridiculous? They should be profitable now and more expensive in the future.
It seems like John and Pete make a point of acknowledging her contributions and leadership publicly. It could just be recency bias, or how media coverage has changed over the years, but I don't remember them making the some overtures to Paul. I think John, especially, wants Jody to keep the team for the rest of his career and goes out of his way to make her enjoy ownership.
Denver was bought on Advantage Buy and are "rolling back prices"! I always enjoy your word play, Ken! Good article, in general, as well.
I think Taylor has the best chance of sticking around among that group you listed. He has shown ability, but not consistency. If he does have that 10 sack season, I could see Schneider (John, not Dwayne) resigning him if one of the rookies doesn't immediately pop off. He wouldn't command top dollar, yet, maybe just a "let's see if you can be consistent" deal.
One does not make Idiot Supreme by thinking (although referring to oneself as "one" certainly helps), but with this essay you have made me think you should write an article (or series) that does two things:
1) Analyzes the Seahawks ownership since 1997. What are their defining principles, if any, and how are they distinct from those of other NFL owners, both current and former, both Seahawks and others? What makes you (Ken) think those are the key principles, and why are they important? Does it seem to you that those principles have changed over time?
2) What are the implications of those ownership characteristics for who they'd pick to succeed Pete Carroll? Who are the candidates, and why? Of those, who are most likely to accept an offer, if extended, and why? Here, you could look down the road as far as you like. Who is "coming up" that might be ready in another couple of years, even if not now?
Naturally, all that would be out the window if the team is sold, but who cares? When/as/if that happens, all prognostication will go out the window anyways.
That might require a lot of time & might not be get fed to mere Regular Joes, so I might not get to read the whole thing. But you could still put enough in the teaser to make me think a bit more.
I heard a rumour that the Allen group had a deal with Pete that he would not retire until they had downloaded his mind into an AI replacement robot, right down to the gum-chewing. Seriously, the guy looks like he having so dang-much FUN coaching that why would he want to quit?
Losing "good" players to FA because there is no room for them on the roster is how you know you have a very good team. The compensatory picks earned by the Seahawks in the LOB years has never been equalled since and it is because those rosters were stacked.
About the QBOTF--there are already numerious 2024 QB ranking lists out there including this one:
Ken, I am wondering if we should revive the spreadsheet we were using last fall to track, say, the top 25 (McCall is currently #14 on this list!) partly for interest but also "who would make the best QBOTF for the Seahawks"?
It could be a great idea, Doug. It was obvious to me early in the draft process that QB survivor would not play out for a QB draft pick this year. So perhaps it will be 2024. Get McCall in the fourth round!
Re Darryl Taylor, my understanding is that his rookie season did not count as a contract year, because he was on non-football IR all season long. So his 2024 season will be as a restricted free agent.
I wrote that a couple of days ago on another thread but never saw any answers if I was correct. I sure hope that is correct, and should apply to Smith from last years' draft.
I like Tre Brown’s chances a lot. Eskridge not so much. I get that they have the same situation as far as coming from the same draft class and dealing with injuries, but one has shown they can play and the other hasn’t.
Damien Lewis is probably playing for another team’s contract this year. Phil Haynes is okay already with room to improve. I don’t know what to think about the tight end group. They’re solid enough that they avoided the position in a deep draft. Diss is the best blocker and has great hands but injuries have ravaged his body. Fant is streaky. Colby is streakier. I like them all but wouldn’t be surprised if all were playing elsewhere in 2 years.
You could be right about Tre Brown. It's not so much me disrespecting him, but he's played far fewer snaps than Eskridge. He isn't on the field. Tre Flowers did play a lot, had some good games, and even he couldn't hang onto a starting role, it's a tough job, especially when we know that Tre Brown almost certainly isn't in a position to start even if he's healthy. Eskridge may not be in a position to start, but it could be easier to get a fourth WR on the field than a fourth or fifth corner. Depends also on how healthy the other corners are, which they aren't very healthy right now.
Funny, he has missed most of both seasons, but I would have guessed he and Dee had similar snap counts. I guess I let "news" from OTAs and camp influence my opinions of them both too much. Because it's not as if we've seen either do a lot on the field.
To be a contrarian, but I like Colby Parkinson a lot. His blocking was elite sometimes. I've not studied him, but I saw significant improvement throughout the season. He should be stronger and better than Dissly by now as a blocker, and his catch range is very nice.
IMHO the only mis-step for lack of a better term is Pete's almost refusal to value and have a great ( or at least very good ) O-line as a top priority. I would be fine with a sale to Bezo's from the simple fact he will WANT a winner! Would prefer another option , But oh well- I have seen nothing that makes me think Hurtt is a head coach-
A couple of years ago several of the members of the LOB collectively suggested they would like to band together to take ownership of the Seahawks. If they add Pete and John to their group it would be the most interesting, enthusiastic, and impressive ownership in the history of the NFL.
Yeah but I don't think they have 8 billion dollars plus to buy the team.
Jody could be in the partnership. The city should work hard to keep it out of Jeff Bezos' hands!
If everyone in the Pacific Northwest (roughly 15 million people) sent Marshawn Lynch about $550, he could buy the team.
I dunno...I can buy an awful lot of Skittles for $550...
Ownership / Pete and John. I suspect that there is a chicken and egg relationship here. Pete and John leaving would be a natural point to sell the team and selling the team would be a natural time for Pete and John to depart. I also think the sale of team and Pete and John departure is actually linked to whether Seahawk's continue to be viewed as a roster on the rise and not whether the Seahawks get to the Super Bowl in the next two years. In short - but rather does the Seahawk / 49er new old approach of QB as piece supporting piece of the puzzle work, or does it make sense to blow it up.
Hmm, yeah, that's very interesting Charlie. How they are involved in any sale discussions is worth monitoring. John may have a much different timeline than Pete, or he may want to explore a new challenge, who knows. I would think keeping John is a priority for new owners, if they're good owners.
I would imagine John's decision, if given one, would depend largely on who the next head coach is and how involved he is in the hiring process.
I think it is very difficult to separate John and Pete. They have a unique relationship. Sure it is possible that John could stay after Pete retires, but I would be surprised. They remind me of other long term pairs such as Landry and Schramm, Walsh and Carmen Policy, and Gibbs and Beathard. Perhaps John would stay if Pete retired after winning the Super Bowl or because of unexpected health problems. Otherwise I just don't see it, particularly if the transition occurs as part of new ownership. I actually think the natural fit for John post Pete is to return to the Packers to take over football operations.
The change in kick returns is bad news for Dee Eskridge. He could carve a roster spot returning kicks, which he was really good in college, but did only a couple of times with the Seahawks given the high chances of injury and he being banged up already. Now, he's healthy, but unless he can return punts, his value as a returner is much, much lower. He will need to show up and have some spark in a crowded receiver room.
I hope he does. Lockett won't play forever, and we may get to a situation again where we have only 2 really good receivers. We went from Baldwin and Tate, to Baldwin and committee, to Baldwin and Lockett, to Lockett and Metcalf. If JSN plays as we expect him to play, it will be the first time we have 3 great receivers (which we have been trying to get at least since the Harvin trade). And if Dee finally blossoms, we may keep this going after NoE retirement.
Bezos worries me as a potential owner, he'll be an interferer. He's not a football man with years of experience and knowledge of the game. But he does have too much money and an ego almost as large as his hoard of gold. That makes me think if he did takeover he'd want to operate in a way akin to that of Jones or Snyder or Tepper or Irsay. "My team, I can make decisions." The best teams are those where the Owner takes a backseat to those with footballing skills and understanding. That's not just true for the NFL but for all sports. We have a great set-up know, the current owners have an input, but they don't override those with the smarts and day-to-day experience.
We could do a lot worse than Hurtt as HC in a year/two-years time. We could also do better... There are good coaches, with solid records, that are available now to bring in as HC or will be in that same time span. Lovie Smith, Brian Flores, Eric Bieniemy I feel could all do well given a HC job in the PNW and the stability and support we can offer. But the dream hire, Mike Tomlin. I believe his contract runs only to the end of 2024, so two years for Pete to run at another ring, and then getting Tomlin, arguably the best HC in the NFL of the last 15 years. A fan can dream!
The level of Bezos interference is proportional to his passion, at least during his tenure at Amazon.
He delegated most of the work, except for his pet projects: kindle and Amazon Go come to mind. He's also meddling at Blue Origin (another of his passions).
Is he passionate about football? I don't think so. This can be good or bad.
I'll take it as Good, in that he may not buy the team in the first place as a result.
It would be horrible to have Bezos get a hold on anything more in the area. Wages would go down, safety measures abandoned, ticket prices even higher, he'd be the only one allowed to raise the flag, and that grating laugh would be heard over the speakers throughout every home game. He's obsessed with power. LOL
https://youtu.be/fhDfmUnN1vY
We wouldn't have colosseums if it wasn't for Rome...or Pink Floyd playing in them. 2000 years, holy shit
Please no Bezos, apparently he doesn't understand music... not that he can't write it but that he doesn't understand why people listen to it. I want an owner that sees it as a sport first instead of simply another business venture. Granted, maybe Jody only sees it as a business venture but shit owners interfering with things they don't understand sucks for fans and the team. If it weren't for the rules how many people can be joint owners of a team I would say we should start a GoFundMe right now and buy the team so it's fan owned!
Ken!!! What was that article you (at least I think it was you... I know it was on Field Gulls in the before time of the long, long ago) wrote years ago about some no-name Seahawk that was the only player on the field on offense AND defense, sacked the entire OL by himself while intercepting a pass for a pick six...etc. It wasn't exactly what I said but it was a very funny article and google is not being my friend at the moment but I know it exists!
Haha. It doesn't come to mind, Greg. Sorry! But glad that it was funny lol.
Geno is going to kill it this season. A reminder I am on record that we will end at 12-5 but I need to amend that as the bottom, but not the top. And since I gazed into my crystal ball and made that prediction, I have gazed again, and seen Geno exceeding expectations, AGAIN, and again, BY A LOT! Truly, how could he not? With a more seasoned OL and a stacked RB room, and with 50% more firepower in the WR room how could Geno not do more easily what he did last year, this year? More weapons, more protection, more time in the pocket? Geno's second half "collapse" was more like the collapse of the interior OL, but our tackles failed us towards the end, too. I'm confident they will improve, and I am confident Brown is significantly better than Blyth, so if Olu Olu wins the job over Brown we should be significantly improved over last year at center.
Geno's going to have to kill it with these players around him, because if not, we will see Drew Lock at some point. Too many weapons and resources used on offense to be anything less than good.
That's my thought too. He's got far more pressure to to great this year. If there is a consistent sense that he is holding the offense back, he'll be in trouble (particularly if the losses pile up). Last year he was playing to prove himself, and he still is, but now the team expectations are far greater and he can't be the reason we don't achieve them.
I think Bradford is going to maul and that Brown will start at least at the beginning of the year. I also think Geno will be as good and possibly better this season.
It's funny to look at because people have different expectations: defenses will figure him out and he'll regress or he'll study the defenses and ungress(?) That's where I have trouble because I can't parse out how much of all those things is on individual players, coaches, or schemes...is it like natural selection where a predator and prey keep specializing each other's genetic traits -- a big is poison so only birds tolerant of the poison survive and start eating all the bugs; only bugs with really strong poison survive and start starving the birds, ad infinitum.
This is where I think the professional coaches and fans diverge because there are so many moving pieces that it is staggering and we, as fans, tend to simplify and reduce things to a single variable like looking at INTs and claiming reducing them will fix everything, but what is causing them? The QB? The scheme? A specific offensive player doing something wrong? A combination of all three that you somehow have to tease into separate strands and braid back into something that works?
I apologize for the logorrhea, but damnit, I love analyzing things down to the molecule before realizing I have no fucking clue, haha.
Oh my, who am I expecting to take the next step and become part of the core going forward? Everyone drafted in the last two years. Bo Melton be damned. Both of our tackles should take a step forward. Everyone we have acquired in free agency, too. Love, for sure. Witherspoon for sure. We need our 4th round NT to hold up for a while anyways, but maybe Tavai can do the job?
I think JSN is special and probably a better WR than either DK or Lockett. I think they will replace Lockett as the outside receiver almost immediately once in a while. To give the old fart more rest, but also to move Lockett inside and give our offense a few wrinkles that are easy to implement so long as the added player is pro ready, and I am kind of thinking that is part of the "character" check list. It seems like the only non pro ready guy we have drafted in the last two years, besides Bo Melton, was Woolen. And look how that turned out. Woolen shocked the shit out of the coaches at his pro readyness. They weren't expecting it from him.
Anyone who has followed the story of JSN would probably agree that he was pro ready as a Sophomore in college. They get good coaching at Ohio State U., but he's better than that guy at SF who is a great WR after the catch guy. I'm forgetting names in my weekend hedonism and slothfullness. He has the lower body of a running back and some of the most elite athleticism in the world. His hands are elite. He's the whole package, and Geno will learn quickly to always know where he is on the field. So my expectations are out of this world for JSN. I just hope Geno learns to lean on him quickly and not worry about DK's numbers or ego. As long as we win, everyone will learn to be happy.
There are a lot of skill players on this team who will want touches, but anyone who gets those third downs gives everyone more chances. JSN should be very popular on the offense.
Bezos....hmmmmmm. Up until about 2015, Bezos was really nailing it. The first 15 or so of his annual letters to investors should be mandatory reading for people in a customer-focused business. (At least in my opinion).
But sometime around 2015 he realized he was a billionaire and decided to act like one. All I have to see his Blue Origin pic where he’s trying to look like a fighter pilot and I about sprain my eyes from them rolling so hard.
I question his commitment to Seattle, and I could see him pulling a Ken Behring kind of move down the road.
It could also be quite some time before Ms. Allen sells the team. Phil Knight tried to buy the Trail Blazers from her (there’s no issue with repaying Washington) this past year and was soundly rebuffed.
I think she really likes owning the teams and could take a long time to ever sell them. And I’m good with that.
She should be motivated to keep the Seahawks. Why give in now unless the offer is ridiculous? They should be profitable now and more expensive in the future.
It seems like John and Pete make a point of acknowledging her contributions and leadership publicly. It could just be recency bias, or how media coverage has changed over the years, but I don't remember them making the some overtures to Paul. I think John, especially, wants Jody to keep the team for the rest of his career and goes out of his way to make her enjoy ownership.
Denver was bought on Advantage Buy and are "rolling back prices"! I always enjoy your word play, Ken! Good article, in general, as well.
I think Taylor has the best chance of sticking around among that group you listed. He has shown ability, but not consistency. If he does have that 10 sack season, I could see Schneider (John, not Dwayne) resigning him if one of the rookies doesn't immediately pop off. He wouldn't command top dollar, yet, maybe just a "let's see if you can be consistent" deal.
One does not make Idiot Supreme by thinking (although referring to oneself as "one" certainly helps), but with this essay you have made me think you should write an article (or series) that does two things:
1) Analyzes the Seahawks ownership since 1997. What are their defining principles, if any, and how are they distinct from those of other NFL owners, both current and former, both Seahawks and others? What makes you (Ken) think those are the key principles, and why are they important? Does it seem to you that those principles have changed over time?
2) What are the implications of those ownership characteristics for who they'd pick to succeed Pete Carroll? Who are the candidates, and why? Of those, who are most likely to accept an offer, if extended, and why? Here, you could look down the road as far as you like. Who is "coming up" that might be ready in another couple of years, even if not now?
Naturally, all that would be out the window if the team is sold, but who cares? When/as/if that happens, all prognostication will go out the window anyways.
That might require a lot of time & might not be get fed to mere Regular Joes, so I might not get to read the whole thing. But you could still put enough in the teaser to make me think a bit more.
Damn. It sounds like you’re giving out homework! ;-)
I heard a rumour that the Allen group had a deal with Pete that he would not retire until they had downloaded his mind into an AI replacement robot, right down to the gum-chewing. Seriously, the guy looks like he having so dang-much FUN coaching that why would he want to quit?
Losing "good" players to FA because there is no room for them on the roster is how you know you have a very good team. The compensatory picks earned by the Seahawks in the LOB years has never been equalled since and it is because those rosters were stacked.
About the QBOTF--there are already numerious 2024 QB ranking lists out there including this one:
https://www.draftcountdown.com/rankings/2024-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-shane/
Ken, I am wondering if we should revive the spreadsheet we were using last fall to track, say, the top 25 (McCall is currently #14 on this list!) partly for interest but also "who would make the best QBOTF for the Seahawks"?
I shall be interested to follow that AI robot.
It could be a great idea, Doug. It was obvious to me early in the draft process that QB survivor would not play out for a QB draft pick this year. So perhaps it will be 2024. Get McCall in the fourth round!
Re Darryl Taylor, my understanding is that his rookie season did not count as a contract year, because he was on non-football IR all season long. So his 2024 season will be as a restricted free agent.
I think you are right, Claude. Thanks!
Wasn't Parkinson injured his first year as well?
Foot, IIRC.
I wrote that a couple of days ago on another thread but never saw any answers if I was correct. I sure hope that is correct, and should apply to Smith from last years' draft.
This applies only if the player was on the non-football IR all season, meaning his injury was not related to playing or practicing with the Seahawks.
Was that the case with either Taylor or Parkinson?
I believe they both entered the NFL w/ injuries
The info on Taylor came from Bob Condotta Seattle Times.
I like Tre Brown’s chances a lot. Eskridge not so much. I get that they have the same situation as far as coming from the same draft class and dealing with injuries, but one has shown they can play and the other hasn’t.
Damien Lewis is probably playing for another team’s contract this year. Phil Haynes is okay already with room to improve. I don’t know what to think about the tight end group. They’re solid enough that they avoided the position in a deep draft. Diss is the best blocker and has great hands but injuries have ravaged his body. Fant is streaky. Colby is streakier. I like them all but wouldn’t be surprised if all were playing elsewhere in 2 years.
You could be right about Tre Brown. It's not so much me disrespecting him, but he's played far fewer snaps than Eskridge. He isn't on the field. Tre Flowers did play a lot, had some good games, and even he couldn't hang onto a starting role, it's a tough job, especially when we know that Tre Brown almost certainly isn't in a position to start even if he's healthy. Eskridge may not be in a position to start, but it could be easier to get a fourth WR on the field than a fourth or fifth corner. Depends also on how healthy the other corners are, which they aren't very healthy right now.
Funny, he has missed most of both seasons, but I would have guessed he and Dee had similar snap counts. I guess I let "news" from OTAs and camp influence my opinions of them both too much. Because it's not as if we've seen either do a lot on the field.
To be a contrarian, but I like Colby Parkinson a lot. His blocking was elite sometimes. I've not studied him, but I saw significant improvement throughout the season. He should be stronger and better than Dissly by now as a blocker, and his catch range is very nice.
I'm as big of a supporter of Colby as you can find. This Guy has attitude and desire and i bet, given playing time he also has stats to back it up.