Joe going with 3 and likely many on here won’t recall them. Really didn’t like Graham and ridiculous to have brought in Olson. Waste of money there. I do like Fant still. I wonder if Coach K can unlock him. Not in specific order but how about a 10th round pick. Mike Tice. Not a receiving TE but helped blocking to help Zorn to help the greatest WR of all time, Largent. Oh and helped us see some incredible running by Warner. And I really like Charlie Young to give us vet experience back then. Then under rated. Christian Fauria and especially Itul Mili. Fauria was one of those all around guys. Over 2k receiving. Mili sure seemed like he could do what you want a TE to be.
6th round pick. Played his entire 10-year career as a Seahawk. Never won any awards for anything, but did all the dirty TE work really well and seemed to show up when you needed him most. It was really cool having him and Lofa Tatupu (my favorite non-Wagner LB) on the same roster. I just love saying those Samoan names!
Kaepernick was the only player that the Seahawks’ D feared. At least some of the explanation for his 4th quarter is that he had to take risks because by then the ‘Hawks had squeezed off every option that he had. To do this day, I’m glad that game wasn’t in Santa Clara.
Mason Taylor actually reminds me a lot of Noah Fant. They run routes like they have one pre-programmed way to run the route. I tend to prefer players that can 'play' football. I want to see the subtle changes to routes based off alignments and shifts and how the defender attacks. I think Taylor could end up being a great football player, he looked good at the combine in the drills...
The other factor about Sherman that should factor into his pretty amazing INT totals when you consider context (and Joe mentioned this a little) is the Hawks scheme had him playing on one side of the field, so he wasn't always covering the other team's best receiver, like somebody like Gilmore or Revis so they could avoid throwing to his side most of the time. Sherman was one of the smartest guys on the field, which made up for the alleged lack of speed.
I really like Barner...that guy just seems like an awesome teammate. He is so jacked for his teams success and his teammates successes. I think he has a bright future.
I miss Jeremy Stevens, and always felt bad for Anthony McCoy he had talent but injuries kinda got him. I think I like our homegrown, we drafted 'em, kinda guys. Those trade or sign TE's have not always panned out so well.
I think 50 and 92 are worth moving up to the top of round 2 if we've got a special target in mind, but any move that costs you a third round pick will be met with scrutiny. Draft pick value is so tricky to debate, as the player you end up with in 2 or 3 years time is the only real evaluation, and those of us that can predict the future have sworn not to use our powers to impact sports.
Any time I think about moving on from Jason Myers, the specter of Blair Walsh rises like Marley’s ghost, rattling chains and reminding me of horrors past. Part of the value in a steady PK lies in offering sanity to coaches and fans.
Happy with the prospective cost rather than the actual prospect to draft, if there's a run on OL in the late 20s I'd be cool with a trade up for someone in the Mbow/Ersery/Donovan Jackson tier, or maybe if Egbuka or Luther Burden fall into Day 2.
Here’s another name at TE that might fall to R6 or even R7 bc of low production in the passing game and a slow 4.82 40:
Jackson Hawes
Otherwise known as the most fearsome run-blocking TE in the draft.
And interestingly (to me) a 90th percentile 10-yd split and an 84th percentile broad jump which signals Explosive.
Here’s a late round guy who could be a 3rd down chain-mover (maybe) and also a help to either tackle (for sure), and a rock on special teams, even if he’s not particularly threatening on a post route.
With this year's TE clas being decent, I would hope that if Seattle seeks a TE, then wait for pick 50 or 52 and take E. Arroyo out of Miami. I find analysts and prognosticators mock drafts to be interesting, but find after pick 12, they all seem to have a significant difference of who goes where. So any players moving up or down mock drafts, unless it is from general managers, I take with the grain of salt.
My all-time favorite Seahawks TE is the guy they draft this year. I hope!
Speaking of TEs, though, I've been slowly watching Nate Tice and his dad, Mike, talk about this year's OL class. Mike was asked about moving Ts to G, and said the thing to look for is quick reaction time, that T is out on an island and has more time to react, while IOL players have react more quickly and in the midst of chaos.
Mike Tice also talked some about my current draft crush, Grey Zabel, and his possible transition to C. Papa Tice said the way to do it is put him at LG and work him hard as the backup C. He's done this two or three times, if memory serves, and said it usually takes three years.
Incidentally, Mike Tice's top OL prospect is RT Josh Conyers. FWIW.
Finally...would I trade up to draft Taylor? That seems rich for him, to me. It also would seem to presume we didn't draft OL at 18, we're trading 50 or 52 and a third to move up to get a TE, and that leaves us not much wiggle room to find IOL help. That's a lot of opportunity cost when there are other TEs available. I'd rather stick and pick Arroyo or Ferguson or Fannin Jr., depending on how actual scouts evaluate those players.
I agree with you on picking a TE later and your three should be around at 82-92. The big question are the Hawks going to select a blue chip O lineman at 18 because they’re gone at 50..
That gap, 18-50, has been bugging me for months. Not sure how to close it without giving up too much, and, also, not sure who is motivated to trade out of that spot. My guess is every GM sees what we see, and with a lot more clarity. The best answer I've seen is someone like the Giants trading up to 18 to get a QB on a fifth-year option, and we end up with a bonus third round pick in the bargain. Something like that I could live with. But it doesn't seem real likely.
Incidentally, who are you looking at on OL? I'm guessing Jackson and Conerly Jr., but if there are other names I'm curious.
Question of the day: Who is your all-time favorite Seahawks TE?
Joe going with 3 and likely many on here won’t recall them. Really didn’t like Graham and ridiculous to have brought in Olson. Waste of money there. I do like Fant still. I wonder if Coach K can unlock him. Not in specific order but how about a 10th round pick. Mike Tice. Not a receiving TE but helped blocking to help Zorn to help the greatest WR of all time, Largent. Oh and helped us see some incredible running by Warner. And I really like Charlie Young to give us vet experience back then. Then under rated. Christian Fauria and especially Itul Mili. Fauria was one of those all around guys. Over 2k receiving. Mili sure seemed like he could do what you want a TE to be.
Carlester Crumpler - I think that was his name.
Itula Mili.
6th round pick. Played his entire 10-year career as a Seahawk. Never won any awards for anything, but did all the dirty TE work really well and seemed to show up when you needed him most. It was really cool having him and Lofa Tatupu (my favorite non-Wagner LB) on the same roster. I just love saying those Samoan names!
Can’t decide between three of them
Mike Tice for how he played
Luke Willson or Colby Parkinson because of the hair and the zaniness
Zach Wilson, just for this play at 11:50–
https://youtu.be/sXhHim68J-E?si=v1WsrfUHMCwt0jqp
Thanks for posting! Had forgotten several things about this game:
- how much more damaging Kap was than Russell
- how big an impact Kam Chancellor and Michael Bennett had (does anyone have a quicker first step than Bennett?)
- what a star-studded line-up the Niners had
- how many calls Seattle got (thought Harbaugh was going to lose a kidney or something and he was mostly right)
I loved watching Harbaughs reactions...that guy was so entertaining (from my perspective it was hilarious watching him lose his mind)
Kaepernick was the only player that the Seahawks’ D feared. At least some of the explanation for his 4th quarter is that he had to take risks because by then the ‘Hawks had squeezed off every option that he had. To do this day, I’m glad that game wasn’t in Santa Clara.
Luke Willson. The amazing 2pt catch, and, well, he was always a great interview ....
All time TE is Zach Wilson hands down. Loved the guy. A true football player. Trading up for someone like that? Absolutely.
If you ask me, Zach was Pete Carroll’s idea of a TE: a sixth offensive lineman and red zone threat.
Zach Miller? Luke Wilson? Isn't Zach Wilson just another Jets QB failure?
Mason Taylor actually reminds me a lot of Noah Fant. They run routes like they have one pre-programmed way to run the route. I tend to prefer players that can 'play' football. I want to see the subtle changes to routes based off alignments and shifts and how the defender attacks. I think Taylor could end up being a great football player, he looked good at the combine in the drills...
The other factor about Sherman that should factor into his pretty amazing INT totals when you consider context (and Joe mentioned this a little) is the Hawks scheme had him playing on one side of the field, so he wasn't always covering the other team's best receiver, like somebody like Gilmore or Revis so they could avoid throwing to his side most of the time. Sherman was one of the smartest guys on the field, which made up for the alleged lack of speed.
I really like Barner...that guy just seems like an awesome teammate. He is so jacked for his teams success and his teammates successes. I think he has a bright future.
I miss Jeremy Stevens, and always felt bad for Anthony McCoy he had talent but injuries kinda got him. I think I like our homegrown, we drafted 'em, kinda guys. Those trade or sign TE's have not always panned out so well.
I think 50 and 92 are worth moving up to the top of round 2 if we've got a special target in mind, but any move that costs you a third round pick will be met with scrutiny. Draft pick value is so tricky to debate, as the player you end up with in 2 or 3 years time is the only real evaluation, and those of us that can predict the future have sworn not to use our powers to impact sports.
Loved Carlester Crumpler because he was an underdog story. 7th rd pick for us.
John Carlson gave us good years.
Itula Mili was entertaining.
Liked Jeremy Stevens a lot as a poor man's Jimmy Graham.
Just posted same about Mili. More than Crumpler and both had great names.
Any time I think about moving on from Jason Myers, the specter of Blair Walsh rises like Marley’s ghost, rattling chains and reminding me of horrors past. Part of the value in a steady PK lies in offering sanity to coaches and fans.
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Happy with the prospective cost rather than the actual prospect to draft, if there's a run on OL in the late 20s I'd be cool with a trade up for someone in the Mbow/Ersery/Donovan Jackson tier, or maybe if Egbuka or Luther Burden fall into Day 2.
Here’s another name at TE that might fall to R6 or even R7 bc of low production in the passing game and a slow 4.82 40:
Jackson Hawes
Otherwise known as the most fearsome run-blocking TE in the draft.
And interestingly (to me) a 90th percentile 10-yd split and an 84th percentile broad jump which signals Explosive.
Here’s a late round guy who could be a 3rd down chain-mover (maybe) and also a help to either tackle (for sure), and a rock on special teams, even if he’s not particularly threatening on a post route.
With this year's TE clas being decent, I would hope that if Seattle seeks a TE, then wait for pick 50 or 52 and take E. Arroyo out of Miami. I find analysts and prognosticators mock drafts to be interesting, but find after pick 12, they all seem to have a significant difference of who goes where. So any players moving up or down mock drafts, unless it is from general managers, I take with the grain of salt.
My all-time favorite Seahawks TE is the guy they draft this year. I hope!
Speaking of TEs, though, I've been slowly watching Nate Tice and his dad, Mike, talk about this year's OL class. Mike was asked about moving Ts to G, and said the thing to look for is quick reaction time, that T is out on an island and has more time to react, while IOL players have react more quickly and in the midst of chaos.
Mike Tice also talked some about my current draft crush, Grey Zabel, and his possible transition to C. Papa Tice said the way to do it is put him at LG and work him hard as the backup C. He's done this two or three times, if memory serves, and said it usually takes three years.
Incidentally, Mike Tice's top OL prospect is RT Josh Conyers. FWIW.
Finally...would I trade up to draft Taylor? That seems rich for him, to me. It also would seem to presume we didn't draft OL at 18, we're trading 50 or 52 and a third to move up to get a TE, and that leaves us not much wiggle room to find IOL help. That's a lot of opportunity cost when there are other TEs available. I'd rather stick and pick Arroyo or Ferguson or Fannin Jr., depending on how actual scouts evaluate those players.
Grant I just posted about Tice also. Old school.
I agree with you on picking a TE later and your three should be around at 82-92. The big question are the Hawks going to select a blue chip O lineman at 18 because they’re gone at 50..
That gap, 18-50, has been bugging me for months. Not sure how to close it without giving up too much, and, also, not sure who is motivated to trade out of that spot. My guess is every GM sees what we see, and with a lot more clarity. The best answer I've seen is someone like the Giants trading up to 18 to get a QB on a fifth-year option, and we end up with a bonus third round pick in the bargain. Something like that I could live with. But it doesn't seem real likely.
Incidentally, who are you looking at on OL? I'm guessing Jackson and Conerly Jr., but if there are other names I'm curious.
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