I know making any rush judgements from preseason can be fools gold, but I have to admit, there is nothing I like better than reading training camp updates from open practices. I dunno, I just love reading about football. I like watching all the interviews post-practice, just to see what I can glean from otherwise throwaway comments from players and coaches. Media trained though they are, sometimes they'll be a nugget slip in there. I'm definitely looking forward to next week.
Could the Seahawks do great running the football in preseason and then get very little going against the 9'ers in week 1......sure. Could Milroe look like a ridiculously good option at wildcat or short yardage plays, and then barely see the field in the regular season? Yessir. But, all we know is what we see, so it's fun to try to project.
One thing I curious about if how Kubiak is able to make things easier for the QB. Runs, check downs, screens, slants, delayed TE releases......all of it. Make 60-70 of the throws straightforward for the QB, and let the ball get out quick. Then run play action and bootleg off of that. Move the pocket. There's a lot that can be done to keep the defence guessing. And when the defence is guessing they aren't pinning their ears back and being aggressive. Hopefully we see far less of 3rd and 8, shotgun, and empty backfield.
"Milroe won’t be a practice squad player — he’ll be on the regular season depth chart and get regular season snaps"
Do we realistically believe that Milroe will develop enough to win the QB2 job over Lock this season? Or do we honestly believe that the Seahawks will carry 3 QBs on the 48-man game day roster?
I understand what was said in the days following the draft about there being a "package" for Milroe, but I see some legitimate logistical issues unless one of the above two happens. Or if one of the other two QBs is injured (I sure hope not!).
We have had 3 Qbs on our roster the last 5 years or so. I understand the concern though, because of gameplans on both sides of the ball, every roster spot will be earned.
We need to make room for a FB
We might end up with 4 TEs since we will be running more 12 personel.
We have 3 starting safeties and only 1 backup currently.
With the demands of versatile personel to optimize the defense work, also applies to backups that can play special teams more valuable.
Three QBs on the 53 man roster is not the same thing as three QBs active on the 48 man game day roster. Only 48 of the 53 players can be active on game day. There is a provision for an emergency QB that doesn't count against the 48, but the EQB can only play if the other two QBs are injured or disqualified. So Milroe would not be able to be the EQB, he would need to be one of the 48.
They have to keep him on the 53 man roster. Only 48 players can be active on game day. Given that he won't be playing special teams, having him active as a third QB on game day could present problems, personnel-wise.
Seems I recall Pete decided to start Wilson after his preseason performances? If I dig out time, I'll rewatch Game one of 2012, and someone will comment on this.
When it comes to Murphy. I'm fine with him playing NT on early downs. I love seeing him take on a double teams utilizing his dead leg. When that leg pulls back and plants, he's immovable.
But on 3rd and 5's or more he needs to be at 3tech. Period.
The Defense SHOULD dominate in training camp, but here's a reason it may not. Just like the other 31 teams, our defense hasn't played them yet. Yes there was mini camp, but that's no contact, no run plays. So being unknown with no history to study, the offense should do decent at FIRST. If they do, that's good. Gradually the defense should take over.
We should expect a lot of competitive fire overheating into tussle, but hopefully no fights. The defense is Big Brother bullying the the little brother offense to be better. Expect most tussles to be targeted at the IOL if they don't show improvement. Which then gets answered by Zabel pancaking the aggressor on the next play to send a message.
There seems to be an abundance of talent in the Offensive, so-called, skill positions...however I must spew my bias here. The success of the Offense depends upon, begins and ends upon, how good our O-line is. With an (assumed) improvement on D and a top ten O-line, my expectations are VERY high. That said, to stick a metaphor in the blender, 'no expectation survives the first kick off' right?
Hmm…The WR room is weak, if you ask me, while the TEs are high floor-low ceiling. The OL should be fine with a better scheme if Zabel is truly plug-and-play. I’m not saying that it will be Hawgs 2.0, but credible is a reasonable expectation. The RBs look pretty good—there’s a fair amount of depth at least.
I don’t see this being a great offense. It could be good enough to complement a great defense and to handle a favorable schedule, though.
Also helping us, is that the teams on our is our Oline Strength of Schedule. We have the easiest schedule when it comes to opponents pressure rate. Last year we had the 4th worst.
The only camp I had ever been to was 2013. Fun times! I'm going again this year with my grandsons and this is what I told them what camp is like, "It's an opportunity to see new guys on the team and how they fit in with the old guys on the team. It's also to see if new ideas on offense and defense will work out." Kind of vague but that's what you get. Joe's right , we won't see many vets in preseaon and the newby's that you do see won't be up against starting talent. So those results might be deceiving. Any more it seems like the first two games of the season are like an extension of the preseason that counts. Most vets don't get any meaingful reps until week one. I was listening to something Dave Wyman said the other day which I agree with. He thinks the defense is going to pick up where they left off last year for a couple of reasons:
1. They are returning many of the same starters and depth players who already have chemistry.
2. This is the second year of McDonalds defense which they are much more versed in than last year. Familiarity counts for a lot. (I predict Seattle will add another nose tackle before week one /possible vet LB)
Offensively you just don't know with all the intangibles. The receiving group, the o-line, the QB, the new scheme?????
Here's what I think will definately be different than last year under Grubb. Seattle will have a running game that isn't in the league cellar. Even ranked in the middle is better than the 24 season. (28th in the NFL for both rushing yards and attempts)
The skill players and the lineman are much better matched to Kubiak's scheme. On a previous post I listed how many of the young guys came out of wide zone type schemes which again under Grubb, wasn't happening. Kubiak actually knows how to scheme for TE's and Seattle has a talented bunch.
I think Sam I am is going to be a lot better than people think as he has worked with Kubiak previously with the 49er's, and has a lot of familiarity with the Shanahan type of scheme. I think this type of scheme fits his skill set as well. The running game and screen game are going to be real assets to helping out the line and Sam under Kubiak.
I believe Seattle will be more focused and make fewer self defeating penalties this year under this system and coaching staff.
The special teams might be just that if indeed Seattle sees the resurrection of a return game.
Seattle struggled defensivly the first half of the season and offensivly most of it. Some of that was not using players strengths properly and lacking key personal to make things work. To much of a square peg in a round hole especially offensively. I think Seattle started addressing those problems halfway through last season. This offseason a bunch. Seattle still won 10 games with all of these factors and it was McDonalds first year at the helm. Personally, due to the strength of schedule and the fact that Seattle offense will not be so predictable, I can see Seattle winning 10 or 11 games this year. Injuries always have a major impact of course, but if they can still keep a majority of starters and see some contributions from their depth players, Seattle can accomplish this. Finally, I just get a different vibe this year. Although many of NFL pundits don't see Seattle as improving this offseason, I disagree. My take is there have been some gutsy changes and decisions from the leadership that acutally moved this team forward now and in the future. I think that if the OTA's showed us anything so far this year, it's that this team has a buy in from vet to rookie. That's a great place to start and build from for 2025.
Great comment, HD. plus : "The running game and screen game are going to be real assets to helping out the line and Sam under Kubiak."
Hawks won't have near as many 3 'n done, more 1st downs which will give them more chances to flex their running game as well as work in different players, keeping them all fresher. Our D will be much have more time to resr 'n so ready to play harder every snap while the opposing O will be getting blasted.
We didn’t know how good the 2013 team was until the second half of the season. Despite an 8-1 start, the schedule was favorable and they squeaked by in many of those games. They didn’t start dominating until the 33-10 Week 10 road win in Atlanta.
This team is hard for me to get a handle on. A new QB , #1 WR is gone , OL who knows and Walker is always injured.
The defensive lacks a reliable OLB ( sign clowney already ? And lacks a nose that won’t fade with use. I still maintain Murphy will be a much better number three than as they used him last year mainly a one.
I hope by the end of training cam we will start to see how the parts all fit together
I'm sensing an energy going through these guys before any pads are even on yet. Mike is giving everybody a fair shot after last year's disaster on Offense. No Nose Tackle yet? "No problem Coach. Put me in. I can do it."- THAT kind of energy. THOSE kind of clever old Coaches. My bet is Benton and his guys have them tuned to a pitch seldom seen.
First off, fully agree people didn’t see Murphy’s impact bc it’s all about sacks and sacks only. With the addl talent on the line this year (see below) this guy is going to have a SEASON.
Not to mention Leonard Williams who didn’t get the props but may have been the best DL in football, or worst case in the top 5.
Now, about the addl talent: I think the media and maybe even we 12’s are totally missing the DeMarcus Lawrence signing. Here’s a stat line:
60 tackles
30 solo
13 sacks
That’s his run-rate last year for the first four games, before he got hurt. And wasn’t a flash in the pan, he’s a 4-time pro bowler.
I think he rubs off on Mafe and Hall as well since he’s reputed to be a big locker room factor.
I don’t know man….even without Uchenna I think we’ve got a great DL.
I know making any rush judgements from preseason can be fools gold, but I have to admit, there is nothing I like better than reading training camp updates from open practices. I dunno, I just love reading about football. I like watching all the interviews post-practice, just to see what I can glean from otherwise throwaway comments from players and coaches. Media trained though they are, sometimes they'll be a nugget slip in there. I'm definitely looking forward to next week.
Could the Seahawks do great running the football in preseason and then get very little going against the 9'ers in week 1......sure. Could Milroe look like a ridiculously good option at wildcat or short yardage plays, and then barely see the field in the regular season? Yessir. But, all we know is what we see, so it's fun to try to project.
One thing I curious about if how Kubiak is able to make things easier for the QB. Runs, check downs, screens, slants, delayed TE releases......all of it. Make 60-70 of the throws straightforward for the QB, and let the ball get out quick. Then run play action and bootleg off of that. Move the pocket. There's a lot that can be done to keep the defence guessing. And when the defence is guessing they aren't pinning their ears back and being aggressive. Hopefully we see far less of 3rd and 8, shotgun, and empty backfield.
I just returned from adult camp at Harrison Hot Springs. Good times, good food, good company, but nothing that will last.
"Milroe won’t be a practice squad player — he’ll be on the regular season depth chart and get regular season snaps"
Do we realistically believe that Milroe will develop enough to win the QB2 job over Lock this season? Or do we honestly believe that the Seahawks will carry 3 QBs on the 48-man game day roster?
I understand what was said in the days following the draft about there being a "package" for Milroe, but I see some legitimate logistical issues unless one of the above two happens. Or if one of the other two QBs is injured (I sure hope not!).
We have had 3 Qbs on our roster the last 5 years or so. I understand the concern though, because of gameplans on both sides of the ball, every roster spot will be earned.
We need to make room for a FB
We might end up with 4 TEs since we will be running more 12 personel.
We have 3 starting safeties and only 1 backup currently.
With the demands of versatile personel to optimize the defense work, also applies to backups that can play special teams more valuable.
Three QBs on the 53 man roster is not the same thing as three QBs active on the 48 man game day roster. Only 48 of the 53 players can be active on game day. There is a provision for an emergency QB that doesn't count against the 48, but the EQB can only play if the other two QBs are injured or disqualified. So Milroe would not be able to be the EQB, he would need to be one of the 48.
Then we should hope he does well when he plays.
I think the mostly likely scenario is that Milroe is allowed to develop in 2025 and sees no snaps.
You uhhhh.... pretty much answered your own question then buddy lol
I was looking for input from others. Didn't think I would need to explain the game day roster limit multiple times.
They have to keep him on the active roster or someone else will sign him.
They have to keep him on the 53 man roster. Only 48 players can be active on game day. Given that he won't be playing special teams, having him active as a third QB on game day could present problems, personnel-wise.
Seems I recall Pete decided to start Wilson after his preseason performances? If I dig out time, I'll rewatch Game one of 2012, and someone will comment on this.
For me it was the 3rd preseason game that year. He threw two TD's against the Chiefs, including one to Terrell Owens of all people.
When it comes to Murphy. I'm fine with him playing NT on early downs. I love seeing him take on a double teams utilizing his dead leg. When that leg pulls back and plants, he's immovable.
But on 3rd and 5's or more he needs to be at 3tech. Period.
I can't wait to see how a hungry Mike Morris explodes onto the field.
The Defense SHOULD dominate in training camp, but here's a reason it may not. Just like the other 31 teams, our defense hasn't played them yet. Yes there was mini camp, but that's no contact, no run plays. So being unknown with no history to study, the offense should do decent at FIRST. If they do, that's good. Gradually the defense should take over.
We should expect a lot of competitive fire overheating into tussle, but hopefully no fights. The defense is Big Brother bullying the the little brother offense to be better. Expect most tussles to be targeted at the IOL if they don't show improvement. Which then gets answered by Zabel pancaking the aggressor on the next play to send a message.
Any time you can work Camp Crystal Lake into the conversation you have had a good day. So good day to you sir! And thank you.
Go Hawks
“Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh, Here I am at Camp Granada…….
Take me home oh muddah, faddduh……Alan Sherman
May the 12s be with you and Go Seahawks!
Thanks McDude! I haven’t thought of “Hello muddah, hello fadduh….” in decades.
"It’s not Camp Crystal Lake, but nevertheless some of the kids will get cut."
Absolute gold, here. Just in case you are unaware of the reference, Camp Crystal Lake was in Friday the 13th.
Chef's kiss to you, sir.
There seems to be an abundance of talent in the Offensive, so-called, skill positions...however I must spew my bias here. The success of the Offense depends upon, begins and ends upon, how good our O-line is. With an (assumed) improvement on D and a top ten O-line, my expectations are VERY high. That said, to stick a metaphor in the blender, 'no expectation survives the first kick off' right?
Hmm…The WR room is weak, if you ask me, while the TEs are high floor-low ceiling. The OL should be fine with a better scheme if Zabel is truly plug-and-play. I’m not saying that it will be Hawgs 2.0, but credible is a reasonable expectation. The RBs look pretty good—there’s a fair amount of depth at least.
I don’t see this being a great offense. It could be good enough to complement a great defense and to handle a favorable schedule, though.
Also helping us, is that the teams on our is our Oline Strength of Schedule. We have the easiest schedule when it comes to opponents pressure rate. Last year we had the 4th worst.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seahawks/s/vhXNZSxnQT
Nobody is gonna be a Debbie Downer on my unbridled optimism heading into training camp!
I tend to tend to take care of that myself by the second game of the season or so. ;-)
Subdue my passions? Methinks Not!
The only camp I had ever been to was 2013. Fun times! I'm going again this year with my grandsons and this is what I told them what camp is like, "It's an opportunity to see new guys on the team and how they fit in with the old guys on the team. It's also to see if new ideas on offense and defense will work out." Kind of vague but that's what you get. Joe's right , we won't see many vets in preseaon and the newby's that you do see won't be up against starting talent. So those results might be deceiving. Any more it seems like the first two games of the season are like an extension of the preseason that counts. Most vets don't get any meaingful reps until week one. I was listening to something Dave Wyman said the other day which I agree with. He thinks the defense is going to pick up where they left off last year for a couple of reasons:
1. They are returning many of the same starters and depth players who already have chemistry.
2. This is the second year of McDonalds defense which they are much more versed in than last year. Familiarity counts for a lot. (I predict Seattle will add another nose tackle before week one /possible vet LB)
Offensively you just don't know with all the intangibles. The receiving group, the o-line, the QB, the new scheme?????
Here's what I think will definately be different than last year under Grubb. Seattle will have a running game that isn't in the league cellar. Even ranked in the middle is better than the 24 season. (28th in the NFL for both rushing yards and attempts)
The skill players and the lineman are much better matched to Kubiak's scheme. On a previous post I listed how many of the young guys came out of wide zone type schemes which again under Grubb, wasn't happening. Kubiak actually knows how to scheme for TE's and Seattle has a talented bunch.
I think Sam I am is going to be a lot better than people think as he has worked with Kubiak previously with the 49er's, and has a lot of familiarity with the Shanahan type of scheme. I think this type of scheme fits his skill set as well. The running game and screen game are going to be real assets to helping out the line and Sam under Kubiak.
I believe Seattle will be more focused and make fewer self defeating penalties this year under this system and coaching staff.
The special teams might be just that if indeed Seattle sees the resurrection of a return game.
Seattle struggled defensivly the first half of the season and offensivly most of it. Some of that was not using players strengths properly and lacking key personal to make things work. To much of a square peg in a round hole especially offensively. I think Seattle started addressing those problems halfway through last season. This offseason a bunch. Seattle still won 10 games with all of these factors and it was McDonalds first year at the helm. Personally, due to the strength of schedule and the fact that Seattle offense will not be so predictable, I can see Seattle winning 10 or 11 games this year. Injuries always have a major impact of course, but if they can still keep a majority of starters and see some contributions from their depth players, Seattle can accomplish this. Finally, I just get a different vibe this year. Although many of NFL pundits don't see Seattle as improving this offseason, I disagree. My take is there have been some gutsy changes and decisions from the leadership that acutally moved this team forward now and in the future. I think that if the OTA's showed us anything so far this year, it's that this team has a buy in from vet to rookie. That's a great place to start and build from for 2025.
Great comment, HD. plus : "The running game and screen game are going to be real assets to helping out the line and Sam under Kubiak."
Hawks won't have near as many 3 'n done, more 1st downs which will give them more chances to flex their running game as well as work in different players, keeping them all fresher. Our D will be much have more time to resr 'n so ready to play harder every snap while the opposing O will be getting blasted.
We didn’t know how good the 2013 team was until the second half of the season. Despite an 8-1 start, the schedule was favorable and they squeaked by in many of those games. They didn’t start dominating until the 33-10 Week 10 road win in Atlanta.
Good point. Even with the addtions of Avril, Bennett, McDaniels and McDonald, the NASCAR package really didn't take off until midseason.
This team is hard for me to get a handle on. A new QB , #1 WR is gone , OL who knows and Walker is always injured.
The defensive lacks a reliable OLB ( sign clowney already ? And lacks a nose that won’t fade with use. I still maintain Murphy will be a much better number three than as they used him last year mainly a one.
I hope by the end of training cam we will start to see how the parts all fit together
I'm sensing an energy going through these guys before any pads are even on yet. Mike is giving everybody a fair shot after last year's disaster on Offense. No Nose Tackle yet? "No problem Coach. Put me in. I can do it."- THAT kind of energy. THOSE kind of clever old Coaches. My bet is Benton and his guys have them tuned to a pitch seldom seen.
First off, fully agree people didn’t see Murphy’s impact bc it’s all about sacks and sacks only. With the addl talent on the line this year (see below) this guy is going to have a SEASON.
Not to mention Leonard Williams who didn’t get the props but may have been the best DL in football, or worst case in the top 5.
Now, about the addl talent: I think the media and maybe even we 12’s are totally missing the DeMarcus Lawrence signing. Here’s a stat line:
60 tackles
30 solo
13 sacks
That’s his run-rate last year for the first four games, before he got hurt. And wasn’t a flash in the pan, he’s a 4-time pro bowler.
I think he rubs off on Mafe and Hall as well since he’s reputed to be a big locker room factor.
I don’t know man….even without Uchenna I think we’ve got a great DL.